Stormsmith wrote:The blame is Ryan's alright, but the success goes to the millions who protested, in the street, by email, by snail mail, by phone.
Tom Massie said over 650 phoned his office demanding he support ACA, 38 were against it. I'd say those are you tea party supporters. 5.5%.
Massie opposes ObamaCare. I'm pretty sure George Soros' efforts had nothing to do with his vote.
SpecialOlympian wrote:Keeping people 19-26 on their parents' healthcare isn't a bad thing. Like, do you seriously think their future should be in question due to medical bills if, say, someone runs them down at a crosswalk just because you didn't have that luxury?
It's an entitlement for upper middle class kids whose parents have full time jobs. For working class kids whose parents now work two part time jobs and have to go through ObamaCare, it's no benefit at all. Way to defend all those rich white kids...
mikema63 wrote:Why is it such a stretch that people and/or their families should pay for health insurance for them?
Because it's only for the well off. It doesn't apply to the poor and much of the working class.
mikema63 wrote:It seems so completely fundamental to the christian worldview that you look after anyone.
Yes, but nuns and monks did this for free with the freely-given charity of others. Today's system is far more Jewish than Christian. It is based on making as much money as possible and finding a way to get well paid, even from people who have no money. It has little to do with Christianity anymore.
mikema63 wrote:It just doesn't make sense to me hindsite, the sheer callousness of saying someone whose 20 and cant afford healthcare should just die because they can't afford the medication that would treat their illness.
Really mikema63... Do you think Abilify really costs $900 per month?
Zagadka wrote:If you left home at 18, you would be totally screwed unless you landed a great job (good luck with no degree).
At 18, most only need emergency room and catastrophic and an annual doctors visit.
Zagadka wrote:If you left home at 18, you would be totally screwed unless you landed a great job (good luck with no degree).
Until you are serious about cost, you won't be able to solve the problem. There are non-profit health plans whose executives are making 10s of millions a year. Non-profit means there is no profit margin for shareholders. It doesn't mean that it's lower cost. If anything, the non-profits tend to be more inefficient, because there is no market incentive to be more efficient.
MistyTiger wrote:I actually think that the "children" should be dependents of their parents, if the parents are alive and able to care for them, until they can prove that they can provide for themselves. This would mean that they would have to submit documentation to the government, which is sort of what I do to be included under extended medicaid.
I'm fine with that as long as they do not have the right to vote until they can take care of themselves.
colliric wrote:Social Healthcare needs to be applied with blunt-force... None of the whishy-washy halfassed Obama shit. As you will never have good healthcare... Called fucking Medicare(the real Medicare! One modelled on the UK, Aus and Canada version).... ever, Trump needs to abolish Obamacare and replace it with a better hybrid system.
Yes, but this is only from the perspective of the industry and the people who work within it. Canada has four times the wait time of the United States for medically necessary procedures provided by a specialist. Having coverage and having access to health care in a timely manner are two totally different matters.
Drlee wrote:Oh the answer to half of that is easy. When the republicans lost the senate in 18 and the house and Presidency in 2020, it will be replaced with a single payer system. Finally.
That's unlikely to happen. Democrats have to defend 23 seats and two independents that caucus with Democrats. Republicans are defending just 9 seats. People like Sherrod Brown, Joe Manchin, and even Tim Kaine are vulnerable. Joe Donnelly and Bill Nelson could also go down. Even Claire McCaskill and John Tester are vulnerable.
Drlee wrote:The odd thing about this whole debate is that a single-payer system would benefit business in a big way.
But it isn't a benefit to those who get their care under it. There is a lot that's not covered in the Canadian system. I have a buddy who moved up there, and now has three kids. The idea that it's all paid for is rubbish. And what is paid for often has an unseemly wait times.
Hong Wu wrote:Another irony here is that health care is possibly one of the only areas where you don't want to compete to lower costs since some places just straight up lack enough doctors because the west is subsidizing idiots (especially if they express a desire to murder you) while trying to strangle anyone who has a brain, trying to get them to undercut each other is not going to improve much.
It would have significant benefits, but the problem is that you don't need doctors for a great deal of what passes for modern medicine. For example, if you have significant allergies, the tests could be rendered by specialized LVNs operating under a nurse practitioner. There's no reason you couldn't get your allergy shot at Walgreens. However, it typically involves a visit to a doctor, and the billing is exceedingly expensive. Soon enough, AI will do a better job of diagnostics than doctors. That's where we need to go for simpler cases, and really drop the cost of providing care. It's too much of a license to steal these days.
MistyTiger wrote:It is like how last year I met a young Walmart manager who did not have health insurance because while she was above the federal poverty line, she could not afford to pay insurance premiums because she had to pay for rent and other necessities like daycare so her and her daughter would not be on the street.
Notwithstanding the fact that WalMart is headquartered in Arkansas and has close ties to the Clintons, the reason you want to have flexible care options is so that people like that can get coverage that makes sense to them. For example, I don't need maternity care, because I'm a guy. I don't need pediatric dental insurance, because I don't have kids. Stop sending me YOUR bills. Take responsibility for yourself.
Drlee wrote:You are right. That is why a single payer system is the optimal system. Most developed nations have come to realize that.
It's optimal for leeching health care providers. Otherwise, it's a path to long lines and denied care.
Drlee wrote:Enforcing the mandate first among them.
Spoken like a true vampire... squeezing the poor man for his last buck.
Drlee wrote:Negotiating prices second.
Just like Paul Ryan, you've got the priorities totally wrong.
Drlee wrote:Don't tell Oregon. They will scrag you in your sleep.
Only Portland and Eugene are liberal. Obama couldn't sell gun control in rural Oregon.
Godstud wrote:A solution would be legalization of drugs, but you can't even consider that, can you?
As long as they're not entitled to welfare.
MistyTiger wrote:I am not making this up. Why do you think that?
Because you bash Republicans. WalMart is out of Arkansas with very close ties to the Clintons. If you don't like WalMart, you shouldn't like the Clintons. They're hand in glove.
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