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I wonder what he is going to do when you tack a 20% surcharge on exported oil and natural gas to the US?

Trade wars are stupid. Especially with your friends.

By the way. I am glad you are sending us wood. We need to save our old growth forests.
#14799986
:up: Drlee. We've managed to do a good job managing our renewable resources(like lumber).

Trade wars do indeed suck. That Trump is initiating tariffs without any real knowledge(surprise surprise) is also typical.

I am hoping that our PM deals with it in a firm yet strong manner.
#14799995
That's true. We've had reforestation of logged areas, and salmon hatcheries for fish for as long as I can remember. We've done a fair job protecting the wild beasties, too. We're letting the team down, though, with rabbits, deer, cougars, and bears wandering in to suburban areas.

Dr Lee

I don't think we need to go that far. I think, given the last time you had a major power outage, (Bush was in office), and it caused havoc, just the suggestion of cutting the power for a day would be enough to bring Trump to the table.

As for lumber, thank you for your custom. We sent you bison, too.
#14800024
MistyTiger wrote:And yet Obama has the ability to increase the debt? If Clinton did not balance the budget, how can Obama increase the debt? Presidents are not required to crunch numbers and they are not required to have a degree in Finance or Economics. Therefore your argument about Obama increasing the debt is flawed. As I said, Congress approves the budget and the President is the last one to sign off on the budget.

Obama did not have to sign off on it. Therefore, Obama is responsible.
#14800079
Hindsite wrote:Obama did not have to sign off on it. Therefore, Obama is responsible.

It is common knowledge that Obama has a 100% fail rate and has never ever done anything right. Even by accident. How do I know this? Hannity told me so :lol: . Likewise, it is also common knowledge that trump has yet to make just one mistake and, by his own admission, has had the most successful first 100 days of any president in the history of the Republic (even though 10 days remain). Any problems that the nation, and the world, are presently facing are due to the 100% fail rate of the Obama reign while America has already been made almost great again by diverting federal funds away from the crazy liberal idea of promoting clean water and air and providing for the health of her citizens into building a giant wall next to Mexico. Doubtless America's Great Wall will rival China's Great Wall in effectiveness in keeping the ravaging hoards at bay :lol: . Mexicans, it is well known, are too stupid to figure out that digging a tunnel will get them to the other side of the wall. Further, the only reason trump's approval rating is around 40 % is, without a doubt, because mostly illegal Mexicans are being polled. Thousands marching in the streets to protest trump's rape of the environment to reward predatory capitalists are being paid money to march by crazy liberal tree huggers.
#14800095
Well let's just face it. The real reason most conservatives opposed President Obama was that he was black. The reason Hillary lost in those rural areas was that she was a woman. I wish I was being sarcastic. I am not.
#14800106
Drlee wrote:Well let's just face it. The real reason most conservatives opposed President Obama was that he was black. The reason Hillary lost in those rural areas was that she was a woman. I wish I was being sarcastic. I am not.

You've got admit that its a bit weird that these White supremacist misogynists keep rallying to the likes of Sarah Palin, Herman Cain and Ben Carson. The strange thing is that is was the Liberal establishment who found Herman Cain too Black for their tastes.
#14800130
In October, trump issued a “Contract With the American Voter,” which he called “my 100-day action plan to Make America Great Again.” He has begun many of the executive actions he promised in that plan. But of the 10 major pieces of legislation whose passage he vowed to fight for “within the first 100 days,” only one has even been introduced.
None have been passed — not a single one — and nine haven’t even been sent to the Congress.

“No administration has accomplished more in the first 90 days,” Mr. Trump boasted in Wisconsin last week.

Clearly F.D.R.'s first 100 days in which 15 major acts of legislation were passed were over shadowed by the bill signed by trump naming a veterans’ health center in Butler County, Pa., the “Abie Abraham V.A. Clinic.”
#14800140
F.D.R. was a very impressive president. I've read a bit about him, seen some documentaries. Time for a new socialist president to restore some of his bills that have been rolled back or reversed. Just sayin'.
#14800243
Hindsite wrote:Obama did not have to sign off on it. Therefore, Obama is responsible.


No, that is illogical. Fortunately for me and unfortunately for you, I did well in Logic class.

Just because he did not sign off on it, that is not enough to prove that he is fully responsible for it. Are you saying that Obama single-handedly drafted the budget and he put in everything? I think you give him too much credit. The position of President is to execute law, it is not to crunch numbers and draw up ALL budgets and legislation that affects the US, that is why we have Congress, both federal or local ones, and we have judicial systems. One man cannot do it all.
#14800245
That is correct. If President Obama was so all-fired powerful even with the house and senate in opposition, why is it that President Trump can't get fuck-all done with control of both?
#14800267
MistyTiger wrote:No, that is illogical. Fortunately for me and unfortunately for you, I did well in Logic class.

Just because he did not sign off on it, that is not enough to prove that he is fully responsible for it. Are you saying that Obama single-handedly drafted the budget and he put in everything? I think you give him too much credit. The position of President is to execute law, it is not to crunch numbers and draw up ALL budgets and legislation that affects the US, that is why we have Congress, both federal or local ones, and we have judicial systems. One man cannot do it all.

Fortunately for me, I did not go to schools that had liberal teachers that taught crazy logic like yours. President Trump does not have control of the legislative or judicial branches of government during the first 80 days of his administration. This prevented him from getting all his programs through quickly. However, he has gotten much done on his own, regardless of the obstructionism from both the Democrats and the Republicans. We will have to wait and see how much longer the establishment politicians can hold out against the Trump of God.
#14800270
Hindsite wrote: President Trump does not have control of the legislative or judicial branches of government during the first 80 days of his administration. This prevented him from getting all his programs through quickly


No way man. By his own admission trump has had the most successful start of any president in American history. :eek:

“No administration has accomplished more in the first 90 days,” Mr. Trump boasted in Wisconsin last week.
#14800281
jimjam wrote:No way man. By his own admission trump has had the most successful start of any president in American history. :eek:

“No administration has accomplished more in the first 90 days,” Mr. Trump boasted in Wisconsin last week.

That may be the case, but he did it without support of the legislative and judicial branches of government.
#14800283
Hindsite wrote:President Trump does not have control of the legislative or judicial branches of government during the first 80 days of his administration.


Neither of these branches are supposed to be controlled by the President.

But since his party runs the legislative, executive, and by proxy the judicial branch, your argument does not stand up.

Igor Antunov wrote:The deep state. May take time to dismantle it, if even possible. He should start by arresting judges who break federal law.


:lol:

Always a conspiracy theory.

But this one is especially hilarious since the conspiracy theory your masters are presenting you with is an Islamic extremist one:

The Economist wrote:Citizens in Turkey, where the term originated, have long worried about the derin devlet (“deep state”), which refers to a network of individuals in different branches of government, with links to retired generals and organised crime, that existed without the knowledge of high-ranking military officers and politicians. Its goal was purportedly to preserve secularism and destroy communism by any means necessary, outside the regular chain of command.


The Atlantic wrote:a review of Turkish politics over the last decade shows the dangers in allowing a deep state to become a real menace in the mind of the public.

“Be careful playing with the deep-state idea, because it can so easily get out of control that it becomes a monster that helps whoever’s in charge curb freedom and intimidate dissidents, because it’s such a nebulous concept,” said Soner Cagaptay, who directs the Turkish Research Program at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “You don't have to prove that it exists. Once [the notion is] out there, and the public starts to believe it, anybody can be attached to it.”


ForeignPolicy wrote:The conspiracy-minded idea that “things are not always what they seem to be” has proved attractive to Egyptians and Turks alike. Although the prevalence of the term [Deep State] and the imagined composition of the cabal differ, the belief in both Egypt and Turkey that powerful and unaccountable forces have a unique influence on the trajectory of events stems from similar conditions — an inability of citizens themselves to have a say in politics, economics, and social matters. Instead, Egyptians and Turks live in a political system where capriciousness, brutality, and corruption have become norms. It is no wonder that people have come to believe in the existence of a deep state.

That is Egypt and Turkey, though, countries where journalists are routinely jailed, opponents of the government are imprisoned, security forces politicized, parliaments are pliant, and the news is another name for an elaborate information campaign waged under the auspices of presidential palaces. How did the deep state enter political discourse in the United States?

In recent weeks, news outlets as varied as Breitbart, Infowars, the Intercept, and AlterNet have run stories about an American deep state. The term probably arrived on U.S. shores the same way it got to Egypt, by people straining to make sense of events in countries with such disparate histories, cultures, and political systems as Turkey, Egypt, and the United States. For supporters of President Donald Trump, the deep state is a convenient scapegoat as the new administration takes a beating in the press, protests throughout the country deepen polarization, and leaks pour out of the White House.


The people that are most piss-pant scared of jihadists are the one bringing jihadist conspiracy theories to the United States to help better lick the hands of their masters.
#14800292
The Immortal Goon wrote:Neither of these branches are supposed to be controlled by the President.

But since his party runs the legislative, executive, and by proxy the judicial branch, your argument does not stand up.

The GOP did not want Trump, it was the people that chose Trump over the objections of the party. Even after both parties lost to Trump, neither of them wants to support all his policies, like term limits for the legislators especially. The GOP has not fully become Trump's party. Those in the party are still attempting to perform their will over that of the people that voted for Trump. You apparently are not enlightened enough to see that. You are like Hillary, who said she did not understand what was happening.

Hillary, During The Primaries: "I don't Understand What's Happening In The Country"

http://news.alayham.com/content/hillary ... ng-country



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