[Godstud]

American perception of terrorism is plain stupid, and might have increased during Obama's time, but he didn't cause it. It's out of control and Americans raise the fear-mongering to absurd levels.

Probability of Getting Killed by a Refugee Terrorist Is One in 3.6 Billion
According to risk analysis research from 2016 by the libertarian think tank Cato Institute, since 9/11, an average of 9 people per year were killed by Muslim extremists in the U.S. By comparison - 37,000 people die ever year from traffic accidents and 12,843 are killed by guns. Any person killed is terrible but if you are talking statistics, it’s easy to conclude that the American fear of terrorist attacks does not match the possible danger.

What about being killed in an attack involving immigrants? The probability of that is very negligible - 1 in 3.6 million. The chances of being killed by a refugee are 1000 times more negligible at 1 in 3.64 billion. That's 0.000000028%. It’s just not likely to happen.

How many total refugee terrorists have their been? According to the report, out of 3,252,493 refugees that came to the U.S. from 1975 till 2015, there were 20 terrorists. Is that a large number? It’s about 0.00062% of the total number. 3 of these confirmed terrorists carried out attacks that killed a total of 3 people.

What about unauthorized immigrants killing Americans? Out of 26.5 million “illegals” in the U.S. during the same time period, 10 turned out to be terrorists, killing 1 American in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. The chances of being killed by an illegal immigrant are at 1 in the “astronomical” 10.9 billion.

Of course, all of these statistics can change with one major terrorist incident on the magnitude of 9/11. But the current numbers do not support the alarmist justification offered by the Trump administration for the executive order temporarily barring entry into the U.S. for citizens of 7 Muslim-majority countries. The measure has so far drawn much protest, confusion and division.
http://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/what-ar ... on-us-soil

The study: https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/ ... 98_1_1.pdf

Americans turn out to be a very fearful lot, don't they?

[Pants-of-dog]

It appeared to me that Obama was the one inspiring more terrorists.
The terrorists certainly increased a lot during his Presidency.

Yes, both sides of the US political spectrum engage in this effort to create more terrorism.

This is why I was amazed that Trump supporters thought he would be any different.

[Hindsite]

Yes, both sides of the US political spectrum engage in this effort to create more terrorism.

This is why I was amazed that Trump supporters thought he would be any different.

The reason we believed Trump was going to be different from the other politicians is because he talked differently and he acted differently

The main problem Trump has now is after signing executive orders to implement parts of his plan he still has to deal with the established politicians of the old sort on both sides that are only interested in obstructionism. Many of the Democrats say they will not work with Trump and they will not even meet with him. We will have to wait and see how long that lasts before the majority of the people catch on to the fact that those politicians do not want him to be a successful President and vote those obstructionists out of office. I don't know if that will happen, but that may be the only way Trump will be able to Make America Great Again, Greater Than Ever Before.

[Pants-of-dog]

The reason we believed Trump was going to be different from the other politicians is because he talked differently and he acted differently

....and then you believed him, even though he was a politician making campaign promises, and despite the fact that he was caught lying, and despite the fact that his rhetoric was contradicted by observable historic and economic conditions.

Obama also talked about being different. Hope. Change. Etc. Trump is just a right wing Obama.

The main problem Trump has now is after signing executive orders to implement parts of his plan he still has to deal with the established politicians of the old sort on both sides that are only interested in obstructionism. Many of the Democrats say they will not work with Trump and they will not even meet with him. We will have to wait and see how long that lasts before the majority of the people catch on to the fact that those politicians do not want him to be a successful President and vote those obstructionists out of office. I don't know if that will happen, but that may be the only way Trump will be able to Make America Great Again, Greater Than Ever Before.

...except that we already know that both sides support war. The Democrats bombed. The Republicans bombed. This is probably the one issue they are most likely to agree on. You guys called her Killary for a reason.

[Hindsite]

....and then you believed him, even though he was a politician making campaign promises, and despite the fact that he was caught lying, and despite the fact that his rhetoric was contradicted by observable historic and economic conditions.

Obama also talked about being different. Hope. Change. Etc. Trump is just a right wing Obama.

...except that we already know that both sides support war. The Democrats bombed. The Republicans bombed. This is probably the one issue they are most likely to agree on. You guys called her Killary for a reason.

Trump was a businessman, not a politician. This was the first time he attempted politics and he won. The liberal media claim that he was caught lying. However, I never heard the lies they claimed he said. They have a way of exaggerating that seems to the unenlightened to be fact.

The verdict is not in on Trump yet, because he has not had the 8 years to prove himself as Obama had. As far as supporting war, Obama proved to be a coward that led from behind. I believe Trump to be a brave leader that will lead from the front.

[Godstud]

Just for you Hindsite. You can stop pretending you know nothing about his lies..

How does Donald Trump lie? A fact checker's final guide
As the presidential campaign has gathered speed, the Guardian has gathered together the lies the Republican candidate has told. What have we learned?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ct-checker

Trump's 'alternative facts': Why the row about inauguration 'lies'?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38716191

From your trusted source, Fox News:
Watch Donald Trump attempt to blame Fox News for his wiretap lie
Fox News, which has become markedly pro-Trump in its coverage, quickly broke with the president and said it had “no evidence of any kind” that he’d been wiretapped.

“Fox News cannot confirm Judge Napolitano’s commentary. Fox News knows of no evidence of any kind that the now-president of the United States was surveilled at any time, any way,” one of its anchors, Shepard Smith, said. “Full stop.”
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/ ... pard-smith

Claiming you don't know about Trump's lies makes you look either totally stupid, or sadly misinformed.

[Pants-of-dog]

Trump was a businessman, not a politician. This was the first time he attempted politics and he won. The liberal media claim that he was caught lying. However, I never heard the lies they claimed he said. They have a way of exaggerating that seems to the unenlightened to be fact.

The verdict is not in on Trump yet, because he has not had the 8 years to prove himself as Obama had. As far as supporting war, Obama proved to be a coward that led from behind. I believe Trump to be a brave leader that will lead from the front.

Sure, but none of this has anything to do with how Trump is continuing the former administration's habit of creatng more terrorists.

And this doesn't really surprise anyone. Not even you. You have yet to disagree with my claim.

[Hindsite]

Sure, but none of this has anything to do with how Trump is continuing the former administration's habit of creatng more terrorists.

And this doesn't really surprise anyone. Not even you. You have yet to disagree with my claim.

Trump has been trying to limit terrorists and illegals from getting into the country and eliminating safe havens for them. But the liberals with their lawyers and activist liberal judges of the 9th district court have been fighting him all the way. However, they could not stop the MOAB from being dropped on ISIS.

Praise the Lord.
HalleluYah

[Godstud]

Nobody really cared about the MOAB dropped on ISIS. That simply a fact.

What people are against is the old-fashioned thinking that bombs make peace.

The judges were against Trump's stupid order, because it went against the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution. You know... that thing that most Conservatives claim to hold dear, until it doesn't allow them to be bigoted assholes?

The judges acted on behalf of the US Constitution. They were not acting as "liberals" or other such shit. You simply have a pathetic excuse for everything when it goes against your God-King, Trump.

Praise be Trump,
(Cup his balls gently)

[Hindsite]

Nobody really cared about the MOAB dropped on ISIS. That simply a fact.

What people are against is the old-fashioned thinking that bombs make peace.

The judges were against Trump's stupid order, because it went against the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution. You know... that thing that most Conservatives claim to hold dear, until it doesn't allow them to be bigoted assholes?

The judges acted on behalf of the US Constitution. They were not acting as "liberals" or other such shit. You simply have a pathetic excuse for everything when it goes against your God-King, Trump.

Praise be Trump,

You mean tenth amendment. It is strange that suddenly the liberals are interested in states rights trumping the federal government.

[Pants-of-dog]

Trump has been trying to limit terrorists and illegals from getting into the country and eliminating safe havens for them. But the liberals with their lawyers and activist liberal judges of the 9th district court have been fighting him all the way. However, they could not stop the MOAB from being dropped on ISIS.

Again, both US parties support dropping bombs on people and making them into terrorists.

This is Trump just doing what all US politicians do.

[Suntzu]

Dropping the bomb didn't make 'em into terrorist, it made 'em into corpses.

[Oxymoron]

Since when has bombing worked? T

Since they were invented

[Godstud]

A simplistic and stupid answer.

Bombing terrorists has NOT worked. USA, Russia and Syria have been doing it for years now and ISIS is still there.

Bombs/missiles make MORE terrorists, if anything. Kill one terrorist(and usually several innocent civilians) and you get more people pushed towards terrorism.

US foreign policy, while not being the only factor in ME terrorism, is the major factor.

[Oxymoron]

A simplistic and stupid answer.

Bombing terrorists has NOT worked. USA, Russia and Syria have been doing it for years now and ISIS is still there.

Bombs/missiles make MORE terrorists, if anything. Kill one terrorist(and usually several innocent civilians) and you get more people pushed towards terrorism.

US foreign policy, while not being the only factor in ME terrorism, is the major factor.

Since Russia has started bombing Assad has moved from utter defeat to restoring control over most of his country. So stop lying.

[redcarpet]

Western governments just like to stomp around and shoot and destroy...probably too much testosterone in the leadership, perhaps they should eat more vegetables and smoke more weed.

I get the feeling that government is run by men who like to act mean. They want to appear tough but really, they are not helping anybody with their aggressive behavior.

I seem to remember the leak about Margaret Thatcher in the run-up to the NUM-miners of '84 that that was the reason to take the stand because it was her 'perceived strength' with voters but in danger of fading with victory over the Falklands nearly two years old already. She could have avoided the strike, but provoked it anyway. Why risk a strike in a major sector of the economy? Not just because you are stocked up beforehand to win, but for political reasons.

Being seen to negotiate can look weak from some people's perspective, talking tough on TV and being defiant in rhetoric, yeah, visually that looks tough.

[Godstud]

Since Russia has started bombing Assad has moved from utter defeat to restoring control over most of his country. So stop lying.

I am not lying, you soppy-holed twat. You know abso-fucking-lutely nothing about military tactics if you think bombs take ground. Soldiers take ground. Syrian TROOPS are gaining ground, and it's due to hard ground-fighting.

Bombs only do so much. US has been bombing there for 3 years and using drones all over and can only do so much. Bombs don't gain control of anything.

American bombs also just make more terrorists in that region because everyone knows that USA shouldn't even fucking be near Syria.

Assad was never near defeat. You're exaggerating and supporting your fucking Russia-love, yet again.

[redcarpet]

Talking-points fresh from the Kremlin & RT! Just repeating them here on PoFo....

Assad is facing a civil war as well, why do foreigners half a world away care? You 'care' but are opposed to refugees fleeing the violence? Ah yeah.....makes sense

[Godstud]

US funded civil war. US funded ISIS and Al Qaeda. It's not the first time, either.

[Oxymoron]

I am not lying, you soppy-holed twat. You know abso-fucking-lutely nothing about military tactics if you think bombs take ground. Soldiers take ground. Syrian TROOPS are gaining ground, and it's due to hard ground-fighting.

Bombs only do so much. US has been bombing there for 3 years and using drones all over and can only do so much. Bombs don't gain control of anything.

American bombs also just make more terrorists in that region because everyone knows that USA shouldn't even fucking be near Syria.

Assad was never near defeat. You're exaggerating and supporting your fucking Russia-love, yet again.

You are an ignorant twit, The Americans bombed for show making sure to avoid civilian deaths and only targeting very small sample. When the Russians started to bomb it allowed the Syrians to go on the offensive, thus bombing does work you idiot. Assad was pushed back to his Alawite province, Damascus was being taken from within, if it was not for Russia Syria would be another Islamic state.
Bombing works both tactically and strategically.