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Turkey condemns U.S. over ‘aggressive’ acts against Erdogan’s guards during D.C. visit

ISTANBUL — Turkey’s Foreign Ministry lodged a formal protest Monday with the U.S. ambassador over “aggressive” actions by American security personnel during a clash between Turkish guards and protesters as President Recep Tayyip Erdogan visited Washington this month.

The summoning of the ambassador, John Bass, sharply escalated a diplomatic rift between Turkey and the United States following the violence. Footage of the brawl was widely circulated on social media, prompting outrage in the United States, along with calls for the prosecution of the Turkish guards and even the expulsion of Turkey’s ambassador to Washington.

American and Turkish officials have provided directly contrasting versions of how the violence unfolded. Local police said the Turkish guards savagely attacked a peaceful protest outside the Turkish ambassador’s residence as Erdogan was visiting. Footage of the melee showed what appeared to be Turkish security guards kicking and choking protesters as police struggled to contain the unrest. It also showed Erdogan watching, from a distance, as the fighting raged.

Erdogan’s critics seized on the bloody altercation — and a similar flash of violence during the Turkish president’s visit to Washington last year — as indicative of his government’s iron-fisted approach to protests and dissent at home.

But Turkish diplomats faulted the local police, saying they had failed to quell an “unpermitted” and “provocative” demonstration.

The Turkish Foreign Ministry’s statement Monday went even further, criticizing “the inability of U.S. authorities to take sufficient precautions at every stage of the official program.” And it demanded that the United States conduct a “full investigation of this diplomatic incident and provide the necessary explanation.”

The statement blamed “U.S. security personnel” for “aggressive and unprofessional” actions against the Turkish protective detail, without saying which security personnel were involved or what exactly had occurred.

Heather Nauert, a State Department spokeswoman, confirmed in a statement that Bass had been summoned by the Turkish Foreign Ministry “to discuss the violent incidents involving protestors and Turkish security personnel on May 16.”

“As we noted previously, the conduct of Turkish security personnel last week was deeply disturbing,” she said. “The State Department has raised its concerns about those events at the highest levels.”


The spiraling argument appeared to sour what by all accounts had been a friendly meeting between Erdogan and President Trump before the protest. In a joint press appearance at the White House, the two leaders were full of mutual praise and spoke of hopes for a closer and more productive relationship.

But the rift has also laid bare policy disagreements, particularly over the war in Syria, that have stirred tensions between the two allies. Turkey has been angered by the Trump administration’s decision to arm a Kurdish force to fight the Islamic State militant group in Syria in partnership with the United States. Turkey says the group is an affiliate of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, which is regarded as a terrorist organization by Ankara and Washington.

Kurdish activists were among the protesters in D.C. on May 16 outside the ambassador’s residence, according to footage of the violence. Some held signs in support of Selahattin Demirtas, a co-leader of a pro-Kurdish political party who is in prison and facing prosecution in Turkey. Others held the flag of the People’s Protection Units, the U.S.-backed Syrian Kurdish force.

It is not clear from the footage what set off the melee, but Turkish security guards, as well as men in suits who were standing among a pro-Erdogan contingent, can be seen attacking the protesters, including repeatedly kicking a man lying on the ground. Another video shows Erdogan himself watching the protest after emerging from his car in the ambassador’s driveway.

Turkey’s semiofficial Anadolu news agency on Saturday published an account by one of its correspondents that said the first fights broke out when the protesters threw water bottles at a pro-Erdogan group.

When the Turkish president arrived at the ambassador’s residence, it said, “protesters continued their grave insults, so some Turkish citizens and the head of the president’s security detail stepped in.”

Carol Morello in Washington contributed to this report.


The Cuck in Chief has said NOTHING about this. SAD!
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He's a little busy doing his cute pretty-pretty-princess courtesy to the Saudi Regime, obviously!

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Gotta keep our repressive rightwing third world dictatorships appeased!
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A few reasons
  • It is somewhat more stable than its neighbors, and it hasn't attacked Israel, both of which earn it the favor of the tyrannical United States
  • It is part of NATO, meaning that nobody dares to invade it
  • The US has traditionally (and still) favored right-wing, unpopular dictators, in order to maintain influence, even despite popular, democratic revolts

To answer your question, because of the United States
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Turkey is a much more complicated problem than "the US did it." We can't be responsible for installing democracies and simultaneously reviled for invading any country that doesn't conform to our ideals and desires.

Turkey is shit because of turkey, not everything is the US's fault.
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mikema63 wrote:Turkey is a much more complicated problem than "the US did it." We can't be responsible for installing democracies and simultaneously reviled for invading any country that doesn't conform to our ideals and desires.

Turkey is shit because of turkey, not everything is the US's fault.


Omg, you are LITERALLY HITLER.
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Why Turkey is allowed to exist? Because Erdogan is MAKING IT GREAT AGAIN, one step at a time.

1. Manufacture a crisis.
2. Convince 'your people' that only you can save them.
3. Take control of state-power, replace independent personnel with sycophants.
4. Start curtailing independent power outside of the state (media, courts, education centers)
5. Blame foreigners for trying to impede these necessary steps of NATIONAL RECOVERY.
6. Inflame xenophobia and strong nationalist sentiment when popularity fades, TURKEY STRONK!
7. Pay off the right people (internally/externally) and laugh att all the idiots who voted for you, all the way to the beautiful tropical island you have bought with their money!

Rinse and repeat as necessary. Always remember to appear to be the victim of a globalist conspiracy, that usually does the trick.
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mikema63 wrote:Turkey is a much more complicated problem than "the US did it." We can't be responsible for installing democracies...

A Brief Guide To Installing Democracy by the US
USA: Hi 3rd world country
Other Country:...
USA: Looks like you need capitalism!! I know just the cure
**USA overthrows previous regime**
USA: All Better!!
Other Country: But is dictatorship!!
USA: Oops! At Least it is capitalist
Other Country: Yay there is a popular revolutionary movement!
USA: But we like this dictator! The lib**** revolution must be stopped!
Other Country: No... please... no!
**USA smashes revolutionary movement over the head with a nuke supplied by the CIA
Other Country: **sniff...
USA: Yay! you are safe for another day

I could literally turn this into a country balls comic :lol:

mikema63 wrote:...and simultaneously reviled for invading any country that doesn't conform to our ideals and desires.

Our Ideals and Desires??? Our???? Since when does the world revolve around the United States! :knife:

MadMonk wrote:Why Turkey is allowed to exist? Because Erdogan is MAKING IT GREAT AGAIN, one step at a time.

1. Manufacture a crisis.
2. Convince 'your people' that only you can save them.
3. Take control of state-power, replace independent personnel with sycophants.
4. Start curtailing independent power outside of the state (media, courts, education centers)
5. Blame foreigners for trying to impede these necessary steps of NATIONAL RECOVERY.
6. Inflame xenophobia and strong nationalist sentiment when popularity fades, TURKEY STRONK!
7. Pay off the right people (internally/externally) and laugh att all the idiots who voted for you, all the way to the beautiful tropical island you have bought with their money!

Rinse and repeat as necessary. Always remember to appear to be the victim of a globalist conspiracy, that usually does the trick.


Welcome to Fascism 101! Does anyone have any questions before I dismiss class?
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I didn't say it was good to invade other countries. I pointed out that it's stupid to do it to push our values and yet it's our fault when we don't in turkey apparently. There is no winning.
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The West Fucked with that whole area. It's hard to pretend that after WWI THE west had great plans, from my understanding they wanted to make it a weak third world cesspool with an autocratic leader that they could puppet around like the rest of the Middle East. But Attaturk had enough sway to resist it to a limitless degree. This said, Turkey's attempt to Westernize generally has been met with a, "Whoa there...you don't belong in the club," and its problems with Islamic radicals (most funded by British and US interests in other countries) gets met with, "That's just how you are as people.

I'm not putting a moral judgement on this. But geopolitically the goal was initially to make an imperialist outpost if possible, and then to move pieces around in the Cold War. Now we have all the debris left from winning the Cold War and it's a question of how to deal with it. From a geopolitical standpoint, that's just not going to be easy.

In a sense, we all have to regroup and try again. I'm too old to do it now, but there are Marxist Kurd groups that were on the verge of making another Spanish Civil War scenerio--maybe will again.

We simply need to see.
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Time to be finished with Turkey. Out of NATO and no way into the EU. They no longer have a place in civilized society. If I were president I would expel all of their diplomats, cut off all US aid and send all of their citizens home.

Fuck them.
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Apparently Turkey is now forcing NATO to suspend all partnership programs with Austria, because they had dared to criticize Erdogan. Will be an interesting situation on the Balkans when Austria doesn't participate in the peacekeeping mission there anymore.
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Drlee wrote:Time to be finished with Turkey. Out of NATO and no way into the EU. They no longer have a place in civilized society. If I were president I would expel all of their diplomats, cut off all US aid and send all of their citizens home.

Fuck them.


Well said. Let someone else cozy up with Turkey: they just bite your hand in the end anyways. I would be truly amused watching Russia attempt to build up another relationship with Turkey and see just how unreliable and useless it ends up being.
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Turkey is a real paradox nowadays. This is the second in NATO troops, but they do everything that violate European traditions, democracy, freedom of speech etc. It looks like Erdogan don't want to join the EU at all and more than that he is going to make TURKEY GREAT AGAIN (nice phrase BTW).
We can say only that there are a lot of strange things in his political actions. And one of them is developing close relations with Azerbaijan and Georgia. I mean it seems like he is going to create his own alliance that give Turkey real power in the region and in the world. May be it's time to think of his possible allies? Georgia do a lot to become a EU and NATO member but does it mean that the Europe can rely on it? I think it's very competing issue.
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