[Frollein]

Do you leave the door to your house open for every critter that wanders down the street?

What a fucking stupid question.

[Decky]

I support it for the EU as it will destroy their society leaving Britain safe. Imagine Germany without Germans, France without the French, Italy without the Italians. A paradise. Then we could move into Europe and run it for the new Europeans, it would be like the Raj all over again.

[MememyselfandIJK]

Please tell me that was sarcasm

[noir]

@Decky what about Italians?

[MememyselfandIJK]

@noir

Italy without the Italians

[Drlee]

Open borders are just absurd. Idiotic. Crazy.


There is no reasonable argument for even considering it. It doomed the EU from the start.

[noir]

@noir

What's wrong with them?

[Kaiserschmarrn]

What's wrong with them?

They are too good looking. Nobody beats Italians when it comes to style.

Seriously, go to Italy and see for yourself.

[Decky]

@Decky what about Italians?

They are Europeans, Noir, the Brexit battle lines have been drawn. When Europe is weak the UK is safe. Anyway screw them, they will pay for all their evil from Julius Caesar's invasion of Britain to the siege of Tobruk!

[MememyselfandIJK]

Why should Britain get an exception? The entire west needs to learn their lesson for centuries of cruel imperialism.

[Decky]

Brexit, we have opted out of the collapse of Europe.

[Godstud]

I am very much pro-immigration, but having open borders for refugees is not a good idea. There has to be control, or you get too many into one place.

[Drlee]

1. Most refugees aren't. They are economic migrants.

2. The best way to fix refugees is to make sure their country is a safe place for them to live. At gunpoint if necessary.

3. It is preposterous to allow into your country anyone who is not prepared to wholeheartedly embrace its values. Values a nation has encoded in law.

4. Refugee status should usually be temporary if granted at all. Temporary until their homeland can be stabilized.

5. People who enter a country illegally should be deported......period. People who appear for asylum should have a hearing. No more. But asylum and refugee status should not grant permanent residency.

6. Evey nation should have the right to refuse entry to anyone they like for whatever reason they like.

[Godstud]

It is preposterous to allow into your country anyone who is not prepared to wholeheartedly embrace its values.

What is preposterous is assuming that they don't. Immigrants don't go to your country because it sucks. They go there because it's a good opportunity, and they want to live there.

Refugee status should usually be temporary if granted at all. Temporary until their homeland can be stabilized.

When do you think a country like Iraq is going to be "stabilized"... 10? 20, 30 years? At what point are they just simply going to be citizens?

Also, this would go directly against the idea of them accepting your values if they are always considered just visitors.

People who enter a country illegally should be deported......period. People who appear for asylum should have a hearing. No more. But asylum and refugee status should not grant permanent residency.

Already done by most countries. As for temporary status.. see above.

Every nation should have the right to refuse entry to anyone they like for whatever reason they like.

Yes, as long as they don't have laws that say otherwise. All countries already do this.

[MememyselfandIJK]

Brexit, we have opted out of the collapse of Europe.

I highly doubt Britain can opt out of the collapse of the west.

[Rich]

Immigrants don't go to your country because it sucks. They go there because it's a good opportunity,

Yes especially for some Muslims, its a good opportunity to blow themselves up.

and they want to live there.

or die there.

[Thomasmariel]

All borders should be banned, as should the very terms refugee and immigrant

[Stormsmith]

Godstud

The American refugee programme is almost identical to ours.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/overview-us-refugee-law-and-policy

[noir]

Hungary, Bulgaria ask Israel about barrier to keep out migrants

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hungary-bu ... -migrants/

[Political Interest]

Open borders for refugees coming from abroad is not normal. It is necessary to have controls on who is allowed to come to Europe, otherwise the entire MENA will be able to move here. It is a question of national security and the long term social and demographic stability of European countries. Anyone who advocates for this is either naive or not very fond of Europeans. However it is possible to help refugees within the boundaries of what is feasible given those concerns. And I believe Europe should do this.