[stephen50right]

Europe over the past 75 years has traded 6 million Jews for over 20 million Muslims.

I'm sure most Europeans would like to have that trade back.

[MememyselfandIJK]

Can you at least admit that Che did not follow the so called laws of warfare?

Welcome to Guerilla Warfare aka. the easiest way for a less powerful enemy to beat a more powerful enemy. Washington, Mao, and Lenin all used it.

Europe over the past 75 years has traded 6 million Jews for over 20 million Muslims.

Nice to see that you are calling the holocaust a "trade" /s

[Oxymoron]

Welcome to Guerilla Warfare aka. the easiest way for a less powerful enemy to beat a more powerful enemy. Washington, Mao, and Lenin all used it.


Nice to see that you are calling the holocaust a "trade" /s

So you admit things have to be done in war to ensure victory?

[stephen50right]

Nice to see that you are calling the holocaust a "trade" /s

Nice to see you understand what is a metaphor.

[MememyselfandIJK]

So you admit things have to be done in war to ensure victory?

If you are the less powerful group, than unconventional warfare is often the best option. However they should take care to avoid war crimes and other such cruelties. In the war against terror, the US is by no measure the less powerful group. Therefore one could argue they have even more obligation to avoid war crimes.

Nice to see you understand what is a metaphor.

Nice to see that you understand the severity of the holocaust. /s Seriously, it is nothing to joke about or take lightly.

[stephen50right]

If you are the less powerful group, than unconventional warfare is often the best option. However they should take care to avoid war crimes and other such cruelties. In the war against terror, the US is by no measure the less powerful group. Therefore one could argue they have even more obligation to avoid war crimes.


Nice to see that you understand the severity of the holocaust. /s Seriously, it is nothing to joke about or take lightly.

I completely understand the severity of the Holocaust.

BTW - if Islam takes over England and other countries in Europe, they will be another one, even worse.

[MememyselfandIJK]

@stephen50right I believe you, but it is highly unlikely that ISIS will manage to do so.

[stephen50right]

@stephen50right I believe you, but it is highly unlikely that ISIS will manage to do so.

But my viewpoint is, why take the chance?

Allowing Muslims to come into Europe in mass like they're doing is a highly risky and dangerous proposition.

Yes, ISIS per se may not manage to take over, but there are countless potential new ISIS type groups that could spring up at any time. Especially in those Muslim no-go zones which are spreading in Europe like a malignancy.

[Political Interest]

@MememyselfandIJK

This is not a question of opinions. The demographic shift that could occur over the next forty to fifty years is very real.

Muslims could very well become a significant part, if not a majority of the population in several European countries.

I am not saying this would be good or bad, but it is a fact.

When we are discussing anything, we need to establish facts.

And this is a distinct possibility.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... essor.html

[MememyselfandIJK]

@stephen50right @Political Interest Just because Muslims are living in Europe doesn't mean that ISIS is going to gain anymore influence. The vast majority of these Muslims are truly looking for a new life.

[Ter]

The vast majority of these Muslims are truly looking for a new life.

I agree with that statement.
But since they allowed hundreds of thousands of Muslims into Europe, even two or three percent will result in many many Manchester type bombings.

[stephen50right]

@stephen50right @Political Interest Just because Muslims are living in Europe doesn't mean that ISIS is going to gain anymore influence. The vast majority of these Muslims are truly looking for a new life.

Looking for a new life is fine, as long as they aren't trying to take over the lives of the other people living there.

The problem is that Islam is not just a religion, it's also a political system called Sharia Law. The fact is that Islam does not and never will assimilate into Western culture.

When Islam is a small minority in a country, it will basically tolerate the rest of the people. However the more that Islam grows in a country, the less tolerant that many Muslims become to the point of interfering with other people's lives - just a question of degree.

[Political Interest]

@MememyselfandIJK

I agree with you. Most of them are looking for a better life.

But we must also be aware of the fact that in every Muslim country there is Islamism and this is a tangible political force in nearly all of these countries, except where it is suppressed by one party states, as in Central Asia.

With more Muslims in Europe the potential voter base of Islamist parties in France and the Netherlands widens. This is not putting a judgement on Muslims. I am not saying this is good or bad, but it is a fact that a number of them may choose Islamism, as is their political right, provided it is done within the boundaries of the law.

If 34 percent of the French population is Algerian Muslim then there is the potential that they could elect Islamists. And again this is not good or bad, but it is reality. They may not necessarily choose Islamism of course, although Islamism is a popular force in nearly all of the Islamic world.

We need to be able to identify reality without people thinking we are placing value judgements by doing so.

[neopagan]

@MememyselfandIJK

I agree with you. Most of them are looking for a better life.

But we must also be aware of the fact that in every Muslim country there is Islamism and this is a tangible political force in nearly all of these countries, except where it is suppressed by one party states, as in Central Asia.

With more Muslims in Europe the potential voter base of Islamist parties in France and the Netherlands widens. This is not putting a judgement on Muslims. I am not saying this is good or bad, but it is a fact that a number of them may choose Islamism, as is their political right, provided it is done within the boundaries of the law.

If 34 percent of the French population is Algerian Muslim then there is the potential that they could elect Islamists. And again this is not good or bad, but it is reality. They may not necessarily choose Islamism of course, although Islamism is a popular force in nearly all of the Islamic world.

We need to be able to identify reality without people thinking we are placing value judgements by doing so.

This kind of fence-sitting is defacto support for Islam. Not good or bad? Look at what Muslims believe.

[anasawad]

Its sufficient to note that many people here are saying "Sharia law" to know that in general, most posts are coming out of ignorance and fear mongering rather than an actual informed discussion.
And the best part is, no one will actually know what does the first sentence means so the point of this post is not going to be understood to begin with or the outright stupidity showing in such threads be seen.

[Political Interest]

This kind of fence-sitting is defacto support for Islam. Not good or bad? Look at what Muslims believe.

It is not fence sitting. I think people need to learn to read the nuance of what someone is saying. Just because I have mentioned that Muslims have a right to their own political choices does not mean I want an Islamic republic in Europe.

If anything I am trying to calmly let liberals know that this is a real possibility if they continue with mass immigration.

[Suntzu]

You might want to ask yourself why Muslims would be fleeing Muslim countries.

[Godstud]

Muslims are fleeing WAR. Also, ISIS kills Christians, Atheists, and Muslims, alike.

Many Muslim refugees have gone to other Muslim countries, so what's your idiotic point?

Also, you do know that the West is rich, so a great many people immigrate for purely economic reasons.

[Suntzu]

Muslims fleeing Muslims, got it! And they are bypassing Muslim countries in their quest for safety.

[Godstud]

Muslim countries have taken in the lion's share of refugees. Your claims are drivel, as usual.