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#14804677
Sigh.

2018 is going to be a bloodbath. The republicans will be very lucky if they retain the house. Very lucky.

When they lose the house and the senate the dogs will be on them.
#14804681
Drlee wrote:Sigh.

2018 is going to be a bloodbath. The republicans will be very lucky if they retain the house. Very lucky.

When they lose the house and the senate the dogs will be on them.


Not a snowball's chance of that happening, although I think you really do honestly believe it.

The Senate could be a tough call in 2020 depending on how Trump is doing, but not in 2018 where the Republicans will no doubt pick up seats.

Sorry to inform you but the House is definitely going to stay in Republican Party control for the foreseeable future. If you understood the red and blue state demographics, which aren't about to radically change anytime soon, you would know that.
#14804807
We'll see.

It is likely that the republicans will retain the house, but with losses. The campaign will be bloody. The town halls which republicans are afraid to even have anymore are just the first taste. Remember that about half of the likely voters are independent.
#14808258
The quagmire has arrived ............ :lol:

Montana Republican congressional candidate Greg Gianforte allegedly “body-slammed” a reporter on Wednesday at a campaign event.

In audio of the incident Gianforte can clearly be heard getting upset. In it, Gianforte is asked about the Republican health care bill.

A crashing can then be heard, as Gianforte yells: “I’m sick and tired of you guys."

“The last guy who came here did the same thing. Get the hell out of here. Get the hell out of here. The last guy did the same thing. :lol:


Republicans citing Obamacare headlines should take a moment to imagine the likely Trumpcare headlines and what they will mean for their job security:

“Trumpcare Is a Windfall for Millionaires.”

“Untreated Opioid Addiction Surges.”

“Biggest Rise in Uninsured in History.”

“Insurers Fleeing Trumpcare.”

“60-Year-Olds to Pay Over 50 Percent More Under Trumpcare.”

“Trumpcare Premiums to Soar by 26 Percent.”
#14808481
Montana Republican congressional candidate Greg Gianforte allegedly “body-slammed” a reporter on Wednesday at a campaign event.


He has been cited with misdemeanor assault. A billionaire faces a $500.00 fine. Since nearly half of all ballots have been cast in advance this scum will be elected. Average IQ of the republican party? Looks like about 80. Astonishingly stupid people.
#14808488
stephen50right wrote: If you understood the red and blue state demographics, which aren't about to radically change anytime soon, you would know that.

For the near future, this will remain in the GOP's favor. Their are several looming disasters for the Republicans, which individually they might handle, but in combination, they can't hope to survive:

1) Federal courts have signaled their intention to force states to employ redistricting algorithms that would eliminate gerrymandering as an effective tool. GOP margins are geographically wide, but razor thin. Very small shifts will be seismic.
2) The GOP base is intent on distancing itself from everyone except its aging, white, male demographic.
3) The GOP base is increasingly poor. Poor people, white or black, tend not to vote. The austerity worldview is baked into the GOP, and they can't retreat.
4) If they can't deliver prosperity while in charge of both houses, the presidency, the Supreme Court, what can their base expect from them? The changes the GOP congress is now enacting will harshly effect the lives of the typical GOP voter. Eventually they are going to run out of people to blame.

The critical test case will be Texas. If it turns the slightest shade of purple, expect widespread panic.
#14808499
quetzalcoatl wrote:For the near future, this will remain in the GOP's favor. Their are several looming disasters for the Republicans, which individually they might handle, but in combination, they can't hope to survive:

1) Federal courts have signaled their intention to force states to employ redistricting algorithms that would eliminate gerrymandering as an effective tool. GOP margins are geographically wide, but razor thin. Very small shifts will be seismic.
2) The GOP base is intent on distancing itself from everyone except its aging, white, male demographic.
3) The GOP base is increasingly poor. Poor people, white or black, tend not to vote. The austerity worldview is baked into the GOP, and they can't retreat.
4) If they can't deliver prosperity while in charge of both houses, the presidency, the Supreme Court, what can their base expect from them? The changes the GOP congress is now enacting will harshly effect the lives of the typical GOP voter. Eventually they are going to run out of people to blame.

The critical test case will be Texas. If it turns the slightest shade of purple, expect widespread panic.


This is mostly wishful thinking on your part...based on false premises.

But I like that....it's good for my side. I want every political opponent of mine to think just like you...assuring my side of further victories in the future.

Thank you!
#14808521
stephen50right wrote:This is mostly wishful thinking on your part...based on false premises.

But I like that....it's good for my side. I want every political opponent of mine to think just like you...assuring my side of further victories in the future.

Thank you!


I don't have a side. But it's interesting you use the words "my side." I'm curious, how did you reach the conclusion they are on your side? At some point it should become clear that they are not on your side. If you want them to be on your side, you will have to force them to be so. This is not possible within either the Trump branch or so-called establishment branch of the GOP. It's not possible within the current structure of the Democratic Party either, but that's another story.
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quetzalcoatl wrote:I don't have a side. But it's interesting you use the words "my side." I'm curious, how did you reach the conclusion they are on your side? At some point it should become clear that they are not on your side. If you want them to be on your side, you will have to force them to be so. This is not possible within either the Trump branch or so-called establishment branch of the GOP. It's not possible within the current structure of the Democratic Party either, but that's another story.


I bring this up repeatedly................. the proclivity of the hard core Rush/Sean heart of the white Republican "base" has been conditioned to see reality as a simplistic two dimensional dichotomy of liberal/conservative with each side thinking in a fashion as defined by Rush/Sean. God forbid there is anyone out there who actually thinks each issue through and decides not based upon the Rush/Sean template but based upon perceived merits and deficits.

The unseen plutocracy ,of course, runs the show and they have done a masterful job of dividing and conquering as they laugh all the way to the bank.
#14808570
jimjam wrote:I bring this up repeatedly................. the proclivity of the hard core Rush/Sean heart of the white Republican "base" has been conditioned to see reality as a simplistic two dimensional dichotomy of liberal/conservative with each side thinking in a fashion as defined by Rush/Sean. God forbid there is anyone out there who actually thinks each issue through and decides not based upon the Rush/Sean template but based upon perceived merits and deficits.

The unseen plutocracy ,of course, runs the show and they have done a masterful job of dividing and conquering as they laugh all the way to the bank.



<<< defined by Rush/Sean >>>

Hmmm, last time I checked, Rush and Sean aren't politicians. They depict, they don't legislate.
#14808621
stephen50right wrote:<<< defined by Rush/Sean >>>

Hmmm, last time I checked, Rush and Sean aren't politicians. They depict, they don't legislate.


You are to be commended. Excellent research. I am actually a Rush/Sean fan. They are brilliant and effective propagandists and, not unlike another brilliant member of their profession depicted here, they have the booming commanding voice that gets right inside the heads of rubes and rearranges their thinking with great effectiveness. They even rail on about fake news like their famous predecessor does in the clip.


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#14808623
I bring this up repeatedly................. the proclivity of the hard core Rush/Sean heart of the white Republican "base" has been conditioned to see reality as a simplistic two dimensional dichotomy of liberal/conservative with each side thinking in a fashion as defined by Rush/Sean. God forbid there is anyone out there who actually thinks each issue through and decides not based upon the Rush/Sean template but based upon perceived merits and deficits.


The right is suffering from another very difficult problem. That is the flight of its brain trust. The dumbing-down of the republican party will become a serious problem. Just for the moment it is working in their favor. The Rush/Sean watchers are certainly not the brain trust.

Notice here on POFO that not a single right-winger rises to defend in depth the policies that the republican party proposes. Not one cogent argument FOR the republican health care 'plan'. Not a soul defending cuts to medicare, food stamps, etc by offering a real argument why they are necessary or desirable.

The depth of understanding on the right goes like this:

'There are too many people on food stamps so let's cut food stamps.' Never. And I mean never has a single right winger proposed what to do about the problem that put them there in the first place. Just some vague notion that if we cut taxes on the rich they will somehow decide to spend their money creating jobs for 46 year old high school drop-outs. Oh, and by the way, lets cut money for job training, early childhood education and the like.

No. We simply can conclude that those upon whom the republicans have relied and gerrymandered districts to include are simply not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

On Edit.

Perhaps the "truest" thing that Trump ever said was this" "I just love the uneducated." And well he should.
#14808640
jimjam wrote:You are to be commended. Excellent research. I am actually a Rush/Sean fan. They are brilliant and effective propagandists and, not unlike another brilliant member of their profession depicted here, they have the booming commanding voice that gets right inside the heads of rubes and rearranges their thinking with great effectiveness. They even rail on about fake news like their famous predecessor does in the clip.


Goebbels was the Reich Minister of Propaganda for Nazi Germany, IE he was an official part of the Nazi administration.

Rush and Sean are not part of the Trump administration. I didn't google it - I don't think either one of them has ever been a part of any presidential administration.
#14808641
Rush and Sean are not part of the Trump administration. I didn't google it - I don't think either one of them has ever been a part of any presidential administration.


You are articulating a distinction without a difference. They are both republican party hacks of the first order.
#14808660
Drlee wrote: We simply can conclude that those upon whom the republicans have relied and gerrymandered districts to include are simply not the sharpest knives in the drawer.


trump and his lemmings have mandated that political correctness, albeit common courtesy itself, is now a sign of liberal wimpiness. We are now free to call these lemmings for what they are .......... stupid.

Drlee wrote:They are both republican party hacks of the first order.


They have morphed into the propaganda branch of the Republican party no less so than Goebbels represented the propaganda branch of National Socialism in Germany. And .............. I admire the job they have done. They are very effective in molding weak minds.
#14808670
jimjam wrote:trump and his lemmings have mandated that political correctness, albeit common courtesy itself, is now a sign of liberal wimpiness. We are now free to call these lemmings for what they are .......... stupid.



They have morphed into the propaganda branch of the Republican party no less so than Goebbels represented the propaganda branch of National Socialism in Germany. And .............. I admire the job they have done. They are very effective in molding weak minds.


Well if your definition of a "weak mind" is someone who believes in our Constitution, and freedom, liberty, and justice for all...then count me in as a deplorable, the term used by your loser candidate Crooked Hillary. Meanwhile, my side keeps on winning elections, like in Montana yesterday.
#14808683
Trump appeals largely to stupid people with the exception of rich people who stand to increase their wealth as a result of his not being a traitor to his class. I'm sorry, stupid is stupid.
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#14808689
Well if your definition of a "weak mind" is someone who believes in our Constitution,


You don't believe in our constitution. I could point to several modern conservative positions that are unconstitutional.

and freedom, liberty, and justice for all


Oh I get it. You mean like the freedom of gay people to marry whomever they want. The justice of knowing that the police will not unconstitutionally detain, search and discriminate against people because of skin color and the liberty to live your life without the police viewing your online records.

The justice...then count me in as a deplorable, the term used by your loser candidate Crooked Hillary.


When are you going to display some maturity? This simple slam only works on people of very low intelligence.

Meanwhile, my side keeps on winning elections, like in Montana yesterday.


I am glad you are proud of this. Your side elected him just in time for him to stand criminal charges.

No son. Here is the deal. We real conservatives know what your side is all about. The constitution has nothing to do with it. You have been duped.

So what do real libertarian conservatives believe?

They believe in balanced budgets. Trump just proposed a budget that will cause the deficit to skyrocket. They believe in keeping the government out of other people's bedrooms. Trump wants to make it legal for people to discriminate against others under the pretense of religion. And while we are on the subject, the true conservative believes in religious freedom based upon the strict separation of church and state. Trump wants to put pulpits in the political fray.

You are not a conservative. It is probably because you have not educated yourself on what conservatism really is. You are regurgitating grade school level arguments.

Many, if not most people on POFO are very smart and pretty well educated. You should be prepared to present arguments for your positions unless you merely wish to troll. You have yet to do that. Here is what you should do. Start with an easy question. Tell us how the median income American worker (who by the way earns less than $30K per year, should embrace the republican health care plan. Now remember that some of us have advanced degrees and are quite familiar with doing research so be sure to present your evidence. I want to know how those America workers are better off.

You won't do any of this. You are incapable. You lack either the education or motivation to do it.

I reiterate my earlier complaint. There is not a single conservative presenting here who is capable of defending Trump's budget or his health care "plan". That is a direct indicator of the intellectual bankruptcy the Republican Party is experiencing.
#14808703
Well if your definition of a "weak mind" is someone who believes in our Constitution, and freedom, liberty, and justice for all...then count me in as a deplorable, the term used by your loser candidate Crooked Hillary.


I have no problem with your constitution or its adherents. It's the folks that want to pick and choose, then claim to support the constitution that I find troubling.

Support gun ownership? Fine, but to the mentally ill too? because Trump changed that snippet.

Believe in equality for all? Are you supporting equal pay for equal work for women? Because Trump's just made that deal all but disappear. The American constitution regularly fails women and minorities.

Believe in separation of church and State? So no teaching creationism in the classroom.

What about SCOTUS? They've ruled in favour of abortions and for same sex marriage. Not every Republican is good with either of these, including Pence.

So... saying one is in favour of the constitution isn't, for every Republican, consistent thinking. There's picking and choosing occurring
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