Igor Antunov wrote:In a romantic sense? Nothing, nobody. I'm no ideologue extremist. I would only defend my friends and family if directly threatened with physical violence. This was true of my father in the midst of civil war, it is true of me. aka decent people.
Oh you sweet sweet pacifist now. Go run another politics compass while holding onto that.
Now do that, and tell me what "decent people" you mean to defend.
And no, this is not in " a romantic sense" this is in a very literal sense and the fact that you have to hem and haw about it is telling. If the Nazis are coming, which side are you on?
Igor Antunov wrote:There is nothing decent about wanting to punch people for their political beliefs. Nothing decent about toppling offensive statues or burning offensive books or about silencing offensive speakers in public.
I suspect you've never had someone grab you hard by the arm and spit in your face and call you a faggot. [url=https://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=167890]That's kind of a revelation, personally.[/quote]
I don't take it lightly either but I also suspect I have a much stronger appreciation for the rule of law and the virtues of democracy than you do, mr "not alt right and admires China and Russia".
By the way, how do homosexuals like me fare in those two countries you like for their political beliefs?
Igor Antunov wrote:It's ok to try to fool others with such weak calls to action over spilt milk-they are free agents they can decide; but it's just sad when you start fooling yourself with this post-modernist nonsense.
Speaking of post-modernist nonsense and obfuscation, you still haven't precisely told me who you are willing to die for and who you are willing to kill. I mean politically.
It's a very clarifying question. Very not postmodern. But then you're alt-right and you don't know it and you're very confused about it it seems.
Igor Antunov wrote:Australia, like all successful countries (Russia and China included-their periodic downs were created by the very SJW's you promote) were built by realists, rationalists. Post-Modernists can't build anything of value
Oh, wonderful. I see you've found a new word - "postmodern." Give me your thoughts on Derrida and Sartre, I'm sure you've read at least the wikipedia article.
Igor Antunov wrote:I should ask you where your convictions lie? Certainly not with the notion that leads to sustained betterment of your own polity's population. Of course you want to import more Islamists.
"import Islamists" like we're importing slaves, of course.
I really like halal food. It's tasty. Why not?
I live in NYC. We had the largest single Islamist terrorist attack in the history of the world happen downtown.
And yet THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET ALL THE WAY TO AUSTRALIA freaks the fuck out over this. And it was a tragedy.
Meanwhile more than a decade later I've still got a halal cart two blocks away and a really huge mosque pointed weird across the Manhattan blocks another block down and I have worked with Muslims, Hindus and -
Do you get a piece of how pathetic this is? Right-wingers are afraid of everything in goddamn sight.
Igor Antunov wrote: It means more opportunities for you to be able to punch people on the basis of what they say in response. I doubt you care about the migrant either. They're just useful to you. You're in it for your politics, which to you are absolute and universal. Sure, you can call that decent. I would call it signalling your virtues for short-term self validation. Because nobody is going to benefit from this long-term. Not even you. Feels over reals.
I don't even think you believe this about me since you fell on a stupid meme at the end. And I love alt-right - er, sorry, "not-alt-right" - wingers complaining about "virtue signalling." Because who the fuck is reading this? Who the fuck am I "signalling" to? Do you get how dumb that idea is, that somehow I'm signalling for my profit some...thing, by being like this?
And yes I do care about "the migrant" (singular in your sentence) because I apparently listened to too much NPR as a kid, watched too much Sesame Street, and became an Eagle Scout, and something about generosity and aid is a part of being what I call a decent fucking human being.
Or did you not notice what those 12 words I listed starting with "trustworthy" and ending with "reverent" were? I'll give you a hint: I got a significant award for being a part of it, and I told you what it was about in the last paragraph.
Oh wait. You think "virtue signalling" includes this, so you probably have a hard time with this. I'm an Eagle Scout and those twelve words are the Scout Law.
Sorry you have a problem with them.
Igor Antunov wrote:I mock certain immigration policies. I am 100% behind responsible, highly vetted immigration. We only got into Australia because both my parents have technical degrees. Predictably, we are a success here, not because we were simply allowed here, but because we worked our asses off, because we brought the strengths of our culture with us. High qualifications are not a guarantee, but they are a sign of a responsible entity that can accomplish things. It's the best way to gauge new arrivals. To filter them. For now it is the only way.
Aaaaand...Igor is still living on his parent's dime I think, eh?
And honestly given the corruption involved with eastern european immigration to western countries I'm honestly not sure I believe that they got in through hard work and success and not bribery.
I'm not saying it's you and your parents that did that but you could understand my skepticism. After all, you have the same skepticism of Islamic immigrants so it's only fair.
Igor Antunov wrote:Can you say the same about the recent 5,000 Syrian arrivals in Sydney's Liverpool? Crime rates have sky rocketed
So go back to Russia?
Seriously - I do not understand how you can be sooooo attached to Russia and China and yet live in Australia.
Oh! Wait! I've got it!
It's a liberal society, your daddy's money, and hey, there's success and money there! In spite of all those brown people around!