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Buzz62 wrote:@SpecialOlympian You must mean my bathrobe.
No...sorry son. No hood on my bathrobe.
In fact, no hood or masks on the UTR protestors, nor on the Le Meute protestors, nor on the alt-right guys in Boston.

You keep flinging your accusatory shit at the wall, and it keeps slipping off. Isn't there a term for people who continue to try the same failing methodology over and over, expecting better results?

And of course the double standards. Didn't we learn from the leftists and the media that "hoodies" aren't bad, and we cannot infer something about a person's character just because of the clothes they wear? These people sure are judgmental, aren't they?

Pants-of-dog wrote:But yes, Klansmen are criminals. And they wear masks, so some mask wearers are criminals.

Not all Klansmen are criminals. Only the ones who commit crimes are criminals.

Pants-of-dog wrote:How is any of this relevant to the reason antifa wear masks?

It's relevant, because the people trying to characterize everyone on the right as KKK or neo-Nazi use hoods/masks as a point of contention when lamenting the KKK, but not when Antifa does it. Antifa is violent, and they do break the law. Wearing a mask is just part of their obstruction of justice.

Stormsmith wrote:Well actually I was also thinking of the blacks for whom the BLM became a movement....a NYC gentleman who was suspected of selling untaxxed cigarettes, a lippy teen for Jay walking etc. Now, not murdering these citizen really would save the taxpayer wads.

Neither of the suspects were murdered. Garner resisted arrest, and was forcibly placed in handcuffs. His health condition was a major contributing factor to his death. That is not murder. Michael Brown wasn't just lippy. He tried to take a police officer's gun, and the gun discharged in the process. After the officer pursued the fleeing felon--which is his duty--the fleeing felon turned and charged him. That's why he ended up dead. Making up fake news like "hands-up don't shoot!" doesn't establish anything more meaningful than the media and politicians will sacrifice the reputation and career of a good police officer in furtherance of a false political narrative.

Pants-of-dog wrote:If we kill black people for murder, and if all people are equal under the law in a liber al democracy, and the government also has to follow the law in a liberal democracy, and if the USA is a liberal democracy, then we can logically conclude that cops should also get the death penalty for killing people.

Killing people is homicide, not murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of another person. We only impose the death penalty for murder, not homicide.

SpecialOlympian wrote:The Royal Canadian Mounted Police just showed up at my home. Apparently they needed some help tracking down a ring of nazi sympathizers in Canada. I was glad to oblige and help them, they were very polite and accomodating.

Back on the hallucinogens again?

SpecialOlympian wrote:Also, our false admiralty court system has been conspiring for over 100 years to use the protectorate status of AMERICAN non-states to do... uh... stuff. I don't understand what point BJ21 was making with that, because it's sovcit legal theory that isn't worth knowing, but it's insidious. I know it's bad.

Maybe you can get a deal on a home in the USVI. It's worth knowing if you're willing to live there full time and start a business, you don't have to file a 1040 with the IRS. A MADE-IN-AMERICA OFFSHORE TAX HAVEN

SpecialOlympian wrote:Here's a quote from the Founding Fathers that I want to share for no readily apparent reason:

"I hate N*****."

-George Washington

He never said that. He did say this:

George Washington wrote:I can only say that there is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do to see a plan adopted for the abolition of slavery.

I'm sure the Democrats will tell you how Washington posthumously became a Democrat after 1964. :roll:
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blackjack21 wrote:I'm sure the Democrats will tell you how Washington posthumously became a Democrat after 1964. :roll:

I have come to the conclusion that practically all, if not all, liberal democrats are liars. I very seldom vote for a Democrat even though my Grandparents that raised me always voted Democrat, back when there were such a thing as a conservative Democrat.

My last vote for a Democrat was due to his strong stand on the Second Amendment and his statement to my face that he was conservative. Although he did keep his word on defending my Second Amendment rights, he proved to be a liar on being a conservative by his votes with the Democrats on other matters. So something drastic is going to have to happen before I even think of voting for a Democrat again.

I forgot to point out that Democrat only lasted 2 years, because we replaced him with a conservative republican when he came up for a second term. Praise the Lord. HalleluYah
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#14845907
White nationalist, Augustus Invictus, is planning this rally in Charlotte, NC. This subhuman scumbag most likely wants another Charlottesville to take place.

Scott Jensen - September 22, 201724623
Yesterday, the White Supremacy group “Anti-Communist Action” announced plans for a rally in Uptown Charlotte.
They are the same group that organized last month’s violent rally in Charlottesville:
According to the group’s website, Charlotte’s “March Against Communism” will take place on December 28th, 2017.
The site instructs people to “Bring your torches, guns, armor, gear, and flags! Stay nonviolent, and we’ll have a great time. Augustus Invictus, Richard Spencer, Dillon of Vanguard America, and many more will be speaking. Once night falls, we’ll (peacefully) march into downtown Charlotte and show the size of ranks.


http://www.charlottestories.com/nazis-coming-charlotte/


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Pants-of-dog wrote:If antifa is a dangerous terrorist threat, how many have they killed?

According to this website (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... behind-it/), antifa and related organizations have killed no people.

Left Wing terrorists killed 13 since the beginning of 2016. Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have only killed five since then, including Charlottesville.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2 ... 45cd391e74
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[quote="blackjack]
Neither of the suspects were murdered. Garner resisted arrest, and was forcibly placed in handcuffs. His health condition was a major contributing factor to his death. That is not murder. Michael Brown wasn't just lippy. He tried to take a police officer's gun, and the gun discharged in the process. After the officer pursued the fleeing felon--which is his duty--the fleeing felon turned and charged him. That's why he ended up dead. Making up fake news like "hands-up don't shoot!" doesn't establish anything more meaningful than the media and politicians will sacrifice the reputation and career of a good police officer in furtherance of a false political narry.[/quote]

What is the case is innocent people died at the the hands of one or more cops.

They are cops. They are not judges, juries, and executioners. The cop who pulled his gun on a jay walking teen couldn't be more stupid. He could have videotaped the kid, followed him home, called for backup. 8 cops suffocated a man suspected of a Mickey mouse offence. These action are thoroughly indefensible, and your equally thoroughly ridiculous attempt to defend them is a slap in the face to every cop in America who isn't a bloody-minded thug.
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Hindsite wrote:Left Wing terrorists killed 13 since the beginning of 2016. Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have only killed five since then, including Charlottesville.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2 ... 45cd391e74


Let us look at your link:

On page 2 of your guest editorial from Cato, we see the following link where it says "research":

https://www.cato.org/blog/terrorism-dea ... le-anomaly

The following is quoted from the research:

    I grouped the ideology of the attackers into four broad groups: Islamists, Nationalists and Right Wingers, Left Wingers, and Unknown/Other. Global Terrorism Database descriptions of the attackers and news stories were my guide in organizing the groups by ideology. Islamists and unknown/other straightforward. Left Wing terrorists include Communists, Socialists, animal rights activists, anti-white racists, LGBT extremists, attackers inspired by Black Lives Matter, and ethnic or national separatists who also embrace Socialism. Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists include white nationalists, Neo-Confederates, non-socialist secessionists, nationalists, anti-Communists, fascists, anti-Muslim attackers, anti-immigration extremists, Sovereign Citizens, bombers who targeted the IRS, militia movements, and abortion clinic bombers. Some of the marginal attacks are open to reinterpretation but the ideology of the attackers by death and injury are straightforward in virtually all cases.

This person has no list of people or organisations included in this grouping. And putting animal rights activists, anti-white racists, LGBT extremists, attackers inspired by Black Lives Matter, and ethnic or national separatists who also embrace Socialism into the definition skews things dramatically.

Now, let us look at the context where you got your stats:

    Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists are the second deadliest group of terrorists by ideology and account for 219 murders and 6.6 percent of all terrorist deaths. The chance of being murdered in a Nationalist or Right Wing terrorist attack was 1 in 33 million per year. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the second deadliest terrorist attack in U.S. history after 9/11, killed 168 people and accounted for 77 percent of the murders committed by Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists. Left Wing terrorists killed only 23 people in terrorist attacks during this time but 13 since the beginning of 2016. Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have only killed 5 since then, including Charlottesville. Meanwhile, the annual chance of being murdered by a Left Wing terrorist was about 1 in 330 million per year. Regardless of the recent upswing in deaths from Left Wing terrorism since 2016, Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have killed about 10 times as many people since 1992. Terrorists with unknown or other motivations were the least deadly.

So, 219 to 23 since 1992.

And ten times as deadly, even if we add dubious "leftists".

Also, it does not claim that anti-fascists were involved in any deaths.
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Stormsmith wrote:[quote="blackjack]
Neither of the suspects were murdered. Garner resisted arrest, and was forcibly placed in handcuffs. His health condition was a major contributing factor to his death. That is not murder. Michael Brown wasn't just lippy. He tried to take a police officer's gun, and the gun discharged in the process. After the officer pursued the fleeing felon--which is his duty--the fleeing felon turned and charged him. That's why he ended up dead. Making up fake news like "hands-up don't shoot!" doesn't establish anything more meaningful than the media and politicians will sacrifice the reputation and career of a good police officer in furtherance of a false political narry.[/quote]

What is the case is innocent people died at the the hands of one or more cops.

They are cops. They are not judges, juries, and executioners. The cop who pulled his gun on a jay walking teen couldn't be more stupid. He could have videotaped the kid, followed him home, called for backup. 8 cops suffocated a man suspected of a Mickey mouse offence. These action are thoroughly indefensible, and your equally thoroughly ridiculous attempt to defend them is a slap in the face to every cop in America who isn't a bloody-minded thug.[/quote][/quote]

What Happened

Dorian Johnson and Michael Brown go to Ferguson Market and Liquor. Surveillance video captures a man pushing a clerk before walking out of the store with a box of cigarillos.

Someone at Ferguson Market and Liquor, a convenience store at 9101 W. Florissant Avenue, places a 911 call.

The next minute a dispatcher gives a description of a suspect over radio. A different officer arrives at the store where the alleged strong-arm robbery occurred.

The dispatcher relays information from a witness that the suspect is walking toward the QuikTrip at 9420 W. Florissant Ave.

Johnson's attorney, Freeman Bosley, confirms Johnson and Brown were there.

"My client, Dorian Johnson, he [told investigators about] the situation involving Big Mike taking the cigarillos. This is not a theft, it's more of a shoplifting situation."

Wilson leaves the scene of the sick call and encounters Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson on Canfield Drive.

Some witnesses say the teenager assaulted the officer at the outset and tried to grab his gun; other witnesses say Wilson was the aggressor. All accounts agree that Brown ran and then turned back.

"Josie," a purported friend of the family, relays what she says Wilson's "significant other" told her about what he said happened next. The account matches what Wilson has told investigators, a source tells CNN.

Josie: "They were walking in the middle of the street. He rolled his window down and said, 'Come on guys. Get out of the street.' They refused to and were yelling back, saying we're almost where we're going and there was some cussing involved."

Josie: "So he goes in reverse back to them. He tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael [Brown] did. Then he opens his car again and tries to get out and as he stands up Michael just bum rushes him, and just shoves him back into his car, punches him in the face and then of course Darren grabs for his gun and Michael grabs the gun. At one point he's got the gun totally turned against his hip and then he shoves it away and the gun goes off."

Josie: "Michael takes off with his friend. They get to be about 35 feet away and Darren [Wilson], of course protocol is to pursue. So he stands up and yells, ‘Freeze!' Michael and his friend turn around and Michael starts taunting him. ‘Oh, what are you going to do about it? You're not gonna shoot me.'

Josie: "And then he said all of a sudden [Michael] just started to bum rush him. He just started coming at him full speed so [Wilson] he just started shooting and he just kept coming. So [Wilson] really thinks [Brown] was on something because he just kept coming. It was unbelievable. And then so he finally ended up, the final shot was in the forehead and then he fell about 2, 3 feet in front of the officer."

Jackson, Ferguson police chief, said Wilson was taken to a local hospital and treated for a swollen face.

At least six bullets hit Michael Brown, including a fatal shot to the head, the family's autopsy shows.

One bullet entered the top of Brown's head.

"The genesis of this was a physical confrontation," St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said.

Wilson tries to exit his vehicle but Brown pushes him back into the car, according to the preliminary investigation, Belmar said.

Brown physically assaults the police officer and there is a struggle over the officer's gun, Belmar said.

A shot is fired inside the police car.

Brown's wounds included a shot to the hand from close range, the official autopsy found, according to a report in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch newspaper, the source of which was confirmed as genuine to CNN by a county official.

Brown's blood was found on Wilson's uniform and inside the police car, law enforcement sources told CNN.

At least one of the wounds and the blood could be consistent with a struggle at the police car.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014/08/ ... -timeline/
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Pants-of-dog wrote:Let us look at your link:

On page 2 of your guest editorial from Cato, we see the following link where it says "research":

https://www.cato.org/blog/terrorism-dea ... le-anomaly

The following is quoted from the research:

    I grouped the ideology of the attackers into four broad groups: Islamists, Nationalists and Right Wingers, Left Wingers, and Unknown/Other. Global Terrorism Database descriptions of the attackers and news stories were my guide in organizing the groups by ideology. Islamists and unknown/other straightforward. Left Wing terrorists include Communists, Socialists, animal rights activists, anti-white racists, LGBT extremists, attackers inspired by Black Lives Matter, and ethnic or national separatists who also embrace Socialism. Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists include white nationalists, Neo-Confederates, non-socialist secessionists, nationalists, anti-Communists, fascists, anti-Muslim attackers, anti-immigration extremists, Sovereign Citizens, bombers who targeted the IRS, militia movements, and abortion clinic bombers. Some of the marginal attacks are open to reinterpretation but the ideology of the attackers by death and injury are straightforward in virtually all cases.

This person has no list of people or organisations included in this grouping. And putting animal rights activists, anti-white racists, LGBT extremists, attackers inspired by Black Lives Matter, and ethnic or national separatists who also embrace Socialism into the definition skews things dramatically.

Now, let us look at the context where you got your stats:

    Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists are the second deadliest group of terrorists by ideology and account for 219 murders and 6.6 percent of all terrorist deaths. The chance of being murdered in a Nationalist or Right Wing terrorist attack was 1 in 33 million per year. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the second deadliest terrorist attack in U.S. history after 9/11, killed 168 people and accounted for 77 percent of the murders committed by Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists. Left Wing terrorists killed only 23 people in terrorist attacks during this time but 13 since the beginning of 2016. Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have only killed 5 since then, including Charlottesville. Meanwhile, the annual chance of being murdered by a Left Wing terrorist was about 1 in 330 million per year. Regardless of the recent upswing in deaths from Left Wing terrorism since 2016, Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists have killed about 10 times as many people since 1992. Terrorists with unknown or other motivations were the least deadly.

So, 219 to 23 since 1992.

And ten times as deadly, even if we add dubious "leftists".

Also, it does not claim that anti-fascists were involved in any deaths.

Yes, I read it all, but that goes back to 1992, which includes the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, which killed 168 people and accounted for 77 percent of the murders committed by Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists.

But today it is the Left wing terrorists that have killed the most with 13 for the left to only 5 for the right, if you include the Charlottesville car accident going to the right wing. So apparently the Left wing groups, like Antifa and BLM, are getting more violent in our time by nearly 3 to 1.
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@Hindsite

Please note that my claim was about deaths attrubutable to antifa. Your source is about deaths attributable to Communists, Socialists, animal rights activists, anti-white racists, LGBT extremists, attackers inspired by Black Lives Matter, and ethnic or national separatists who also embrace Socialism, but not antifa.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:@Hindsite

Please note that my claim was about deaths attrubutable to antifa. Your source is about deaths attributable to Communists, Socialists, animal rights activists, anti-white racists, LGBT extremists, attackers inspired by Black Lives Matter, and ethnic or national separatists who also embrace Socialism, but not antifa.

I am not sure about Antifa, I only know they have committed a lot of assaults, but I am not aware if Antifa has actually murdered anyone yet. But their violent and destructive acts has resulted in them being listed among the terror groups. So I think it may soon that they will be attributed their first murder.
#14846023
Well we do know for sure nazis killed someone, very recently, even if this was very inconvenient for some posters.

Don't worry guys I'm sure you'll find some moronic reason to create false equivalency between literal, actual nazis and disorganized, unstructured local groups of people whose only political position is: "fuck nazis anyone who wants to hurt me or my neighbors for racial/ethnic reasons."

Antifa fucking rules and it's still immensely patriotic to kick nazi ass.
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SpecialOlympian wrote:Well we do know for sure nazis killed someone, very recently, even if this was very inconvenient for some posters.

Don't worry guys I'm sure you'll find some moronic reason to create false equivalency between literal, actual nazis and disorganized, unstructured local groups of people whose only political position is: "fuck nazis anyone who wants to hurt me or my neighbors for racial/ethnic reasons."

Antifa fucking rules and it's still immensely patriotic to kick nazi ass.

Well, we don't know that a Nazis killed anyone at that rally yet. The guy, who was charged. was not a member of the group that he got the shield from, if you think they were Nazis.
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SpecialOlympian wrote:Yeah we went over this Hindsite. He was a vocal Hitler enthusiast and known as "the nazi guy" at his high school and college.

He also proudly stood with nazis holding shields baring nazi imagery.

Gosh I can't tell whether this guy was a nazi or not.

His mother said he played a lot of video games, probably role-playing games. I think he was just playing another role, but just not on a game console. And we shouldn't ignore the fact he was a schizophrenic. He seems to be an immature 20 year old to me.
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