Potemkin wrote:This is the British we're talking about, Sasa. The British ruling class would sell their own grandmothers for money. Back in the 19th century, the British had a balance of payments problem with Imperial China - we were buying huge amounts of Chinese tea, but we had nothing the Chinese wanted to buy from us. The British Empire was facing financial ruin. Until, that is, the British ruling elite hit on the jolly wheeze of getting millions of Chinese citizens addicted to opium and then monopolising the supply. When the Chinese government started seizing British shipments of opium, we declared war on them. Twice. Or was it three times? I forget. Anyhoo, long story short, we won. The British Empire solved its balance of payments problem and Imperial China sank into chaos and revolution. And I'm not even going to mention what we did to India. Or Ireland. Or Ceylon. Or.... but I think you get the idea.
The current behaviour of the British ruling elite should not surprise you at all. We're going to sell you all down the river. Just you fucking watch us....
It's true its British business and only you have a say while we don't care if British ruling class wish to sell their grandmother, but the situation is you guys are offering technological supplies to terrorism.
mikema63 wrote:The ship has really sailed on this. We already do tremendous amounts of business with china in tons of different ways and are already dependent on that trade and production capacity. A Chinese group buying or not buying a chip manufacturer isn't going to make any difference.
Also Russia, china, and north Korea are hardly on track to militarily beat the US and NATO. Particularly considering neither the west nor china would be interested in doing something so catastrophically stupid for both sides.
My prediction is in the next few decades China and Russia will see increasing conflict between them and china will continue to integrate into the world market and just become yet another capitalist country.
Gaining foreign IC designers would only speed up the technological improvement of the communist military, and I can tell there are not many opportunities like that for China since U.S., Japan, South Korea or Taiwan are unlikely to allow such kind of deal. If that's not the case, we'd see Google/Microsoft/NVIDIA all bought by China, and yes China has enough money to do so.
China / North Korea are certainly not confident enough to confront the US militarily, so they are preparing for that day. Undeniably the gap is reducing and the later the war breaks out the worse for the US side.
I agree there may be conflicts of interest between China and Russia, but such thing won't surface until their enemy falls. In other words the existence of US dominance consolidates the China/Russia ties.
Rancid wrote:It could work out that way.
I always wonder what is the average Chinese citizen's view on the tight country the government has on things. Especially with the internet.
Most Chinese people don't care about (or more precisely know about ) what's going on across the world. They just care about gaining as much money as possible during their lifetime and never worry about things like long-term consequence or sustainability (pretty much like British from this point of view).
But what the Chinese communist rulers are thinking is another topic.
Decky wrote:It should be a nationalised industry opperated by the British government just like every industry larger than a one person operation. Corbyn will sort this.
It's not about nationalized industry but the national security concern, and UK obviously lacks that sense.
New Zealand is another similar country standing too close to China in favor of short-term profits, however the NZ is unable to offer firms like IC designers to China.
Having said that, most technologically advanced countries won't allow such sort of deal with China, though not sure about Germany, a forefront leftist country in the west.
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