[blackjack21]

It is amusing to see Republican lemmings (the same ones who accused Hillary of running a child porn operation out of a pizza parlor) contorting themselves into knots to defend Roy "The Alabama Groper" Moore.

I had nothing to do with any of the pizzagate posts, and I'm not a Republican.

It keeps coming;

Anybody can file any complaint they want. That doesn't mean it will go anywhere. When judges serve on the bench, they are typically required to withdraw from bar membership.

What I heard was the woman was 16 when that incident happened. The other one that alleged he undressed her down to bra and panties was 14. But I heard a legal expert on MSNBC say today that there was no law in Alabama at that time that made these allegations a crime even if they could be proved.

Yeah, we really don't have any provable sexual contact.

So you assume every woman who has ever been sexually assaulted should STFU, since they are all obviously lying.

People should bring forth their complaints in a timely manner.

Even if just ONE of these women who came froward is telling the truth, Roy Moore is a piece of shit pedophile, and you've been defending him this whole time. Think on that, a minute.

Pedophiles target pre-pubescent children. None of these alleged targets were pre-pubescent.

Leaving aside the low esteem that many Alabamians hold the national media in, no mainstream outlet is paying women for dirt on Mr. Moore, and no one is promising to publish half-baked uncorroborated allegations. But whoever recorded the call thought voters in deep-red Alabama would swallow such aspersions on the profession of journalism, especially if they came from a Yankee Jew.

The media didn't pay for the Trump dossier either. That was the DNC, Hillary Clinton and an Obama PAC. These aren't all coming out now for nothing. It's political timing pure and simple.

I am only defending his right to claim innocence until proven guilty.

Godstud doesn't believe in innocent-until-proven-guilty that is the cornerstone of the Canadian legal system, as well as the American legal system.

Innocent Until Proven Guilty or Guilty Until Printed Innocent?

The Presumption of Innocence

Under section 11(d) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, any person detained and/or charged with an offence has “the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal.”[1] With this in mind, nobody should be labelled a criminal until they’ve had their day in court, regardless of whether they’ve been accused of shoplifting, sexual assault or first-degree murder. Section 11(d) is an absolutely essential part of the Canadian constitution and of the Canadian criminal justice system. There is, perhaps, no greater injustice than deeming someone guilty before they’ve had a fair trial and this provision offers constitutional protection against exactly that.

Godstud is apparently un-Canadian in his judicial outlook.

When you think that all the women are lying, and that it's a conspiracy, you aren't simply protecting his right to innocent until proven guilty.

The defendant has the right to deny both the facts and the law. They are allowed to remain silent too. However, they are not allowed to provide false testimony.

Why didn't any of this come out before, in the many decades Roy Moore has held public office?

Why didn't it come out before the results of the run-off? Basically, it's just hard to believe anything the media says anymore. It's clear they coordinate with the Democratic party.

He's refused to accept Hillary Clinton has the right to innocence, so he's full of shit. A right is held by ALL, okay? He's really referring to a privilege. For him it is a privilege he selectively applies. 'Crooked Hillary' doesn't get it.

There is irrefutable evidence that Hillary broke the law. She's just being given favorable treatment; and, it isn't passed the statute of limitations. Clearly, Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch met on Lynch's plane in Arizona days before Hillary's case was going to be passed over for prosecution. Clearly, Comey began writing that Hillary would be given a pass before the investigation was complete. She is still presumed innocent, but people don't just delete 30k emails for no reason. Many have been recovered, been determined to be official (meaning deleting them was illegal), and that some contained classified information (meaning it was mishandled).

It what he does when he loses an argument. Or uses political swear words like 'liberal' or 'I don't trust that source', etc.

He hasn't lost any argument. These stories are perishable. People don't just sit on these stories for decades and then come out with them three weeks before a general election. If they were passionate about it, they'd have come out much sooner. It would have been easy for Luther Strange to beat Moore if he had put out these stories, but apparently that information was not available to him.

Men do too, when are you going to make the same demand on Trump & this fellow?

You can't make a criminal defendant prove they are not lying, with the possible exception of income tax filings.

Better an innocent man needs to be proven innocent, than a victim has to prove they aren't lying.

Maybe that's true under a military junta, but your sentiments clearly violate that Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

If even ONE of these women has a legitimate claim, then your whole argument is bullshit, and you're openly defending a pedophile.

You obviously don't understand the term "pedophile" or "pedophilia." Dating minors isn't pedophilia, per se. Pubescent and post-pubescent minors aren't the target of pedophiles by definition. A famous person who might fit that description would be someone like Michael Jackson, who was accused of inappropriate conduct with pre-pubescent children.

That won't change the fact that HE DID IT.

You don't have proof. All you have are allegations.

[Hindsite]

That won't change the fact that HE DID IT. It only means he won't go to jail for kiddy-fiddling/pedophilia. Defending Roy Moore, even if it isn't illegal, is still exceptionally seedy.

We don't know that HE DID IT OR DID NOT DO IT. What WE DO KNOW is that what he is alleged of doing was NOT ILLEGAL in Alabama and that HE DOES NOT BELONG IN PRISON. It is up to the voters of Alabama now to vote as they see fit in December.

[Godstud]

Pedophiles target pre-pubescent children. None of these alleged targets were pre-pubescent.

Semantics make it OK... I'll stick to calling him a kiddy-fiddler then. Is that OK?

People should bring forth their complaints in a timely manner.

Often it takes one brave soul to come forward, and this inspires others to do the same.

Godstud doesn't believe in innocent-until-proven-guilty that is the cornerstone of the Canadian legal system, as well as the American legal system.

I do believe in it. When you have 12 people coming forward, however, the innocence of said person is questionable, at best.

I'd rather be wrong, and have to apologize to an innocent person, than to call a victim a liar, and be pro-sexual predator, like you.

Godstud is apparently un-Canadian in his judicial outlook.

12 people is a lot of evidence. You're apparently immoral in your judicial outlook.

Maybe that's true under a military junta, but your sentiments clearly violate that Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

My location is irrelevant to your ignorant outlook. I could live in DPRK and it would not change my opinion on this. I am sorry that you are too juvenile to understand the basics of the internet, and that people are posting from all over the world, not just The Retarded States of 'Merica.

This is in American, not Canada. A Canadian politician would step down, if they had these allegations against them, and the party would black-ball them.

You obviously don't understand the term "pedophile" or "pedophilia." Dating minors isn't pedophilia, per se. Pubescent and post-pubescent minors aren't the target of pedophiles by definition. A famous person who might fit that description would be someone like Michael Jackson, who was accused of inappropriate conduct with pre-pubescent children.

Semantics. It's still sexual predation of children. Are you going to deny that a 14 year old isn't a child?

You don't have proof. All you have are allegations.

EVIDENCE:

Roy Moore Is Lying
Here’s the mountain of evidence against him.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... moore.html

He's damning himself with his own lies.

HE DOES NOT BELONG IN PRISON.

No, he belongs with your grand-children, right? Would you trust this man with your children between 13- and 16? Really?

[blackjack21]

:roll: Semantics make it OK... I'll stick to calling him a kiddy-fiddler then. Is that OK?

The law made it okay. Mores and folkways change. You can call him names if that suits you.

Often it takes one brave soul to come forward, and this inspires others to do the same.

The timing is too cute for me to believe it. It seems like a well-coordinated media attack.

I do believe in it. When you have 12 people coming forward, however, the innocence of said person is questionable, at best.

He liked to date sixteen year olds. That's a bit out of his cohort group, but not uncommon in many areas of the world.

I'd rather be wrong, and have to apologize to an innocent person, than to call a victim a liar, and be pro-sexual predator, like you.

I'm not in favor of sexual predators any more than I am in favor of Nazis. I'm just not going to allow you to work me into a dither. What do you think of all the people donating to him now? It seems his donation went up!

Roy Moore cashes in after he’s accused of chasing high school girls

The embattled Republican collected more online donations between Nov. 10 and Nov. 15 — the first six days after the scandal broke — than in the six weeks after winning the GOP nomination in a contentious September primary, Doster confirmed.

If he pulls this out, I am going to laugh my ass off!

Semantics. It's still sexual predation of children. Are you going to deny that a 14 year old isn't a child?

I just don't believe the allegations.

[Godstud]

He liked to date sixteen year olds. That's a bit out of his cohort group, but not uncommon in many areas of the world.

This was in America, and not "other parts of the world". Age of consent is 14 is other places in the world, so does that make it OK for Roy Moore to fuck them in America, as long as he gets the parent's permission?

If he pulls this out, I am going to laugh my ass off!

He went from 10 point ahead to behind in the polls. I don't think that you'll get to laugh.

I just don't believe the allegations.

And I do, so fucking live with it.

I believe 12 women over the word of one lying pederast.

[blackjack21]

This was in America, and not "other parts of the world". Age of consent is 14 is other places in the world, so does that make it OK for Roy Moore to fuck them in America, as long as he gets the parent's permission?

It's a moot question, since nobody is claiming that they were fucking Moore.

[Rich]

"I’m a reporter for The Washington Post calling to find out if anyone at this address is a female between the ages of 54 to 57 years old, willing to make damaging remarks about candidate Roy Moore for a reward of between $5,000 and $7,000. We will not be fully investigating these claims however we will make a written report."

Leaving aside the low esteem that many Alabamians hold the national media in, no mainstream outlet is paying women for dirt on Mr. Moore, and no one is promising to publish half-baked uncorroborated allegations. But whoever recorded the call thought voters in deep-red Alabama would swallow such aspersions on the profession of journalism, especially if they came from a Yankee Jew.

I couldn't help noticing your signature. Now when Bill Clinton's campaign manager made his infamous remark about dragging a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park, he was saying, like your signature that it was all about the money. In this instance you seem to be asking us to disregard the injunction of your signature.

I take particular exception to your signature as neither world war I or world war II were about the money. Churchill did not argue for war against Hitler because he thought Hitler was a threat to the value of his share portfolio. So many upper class young men made the ultimate sacrifice in WWI and WWII while so many unionised workers in mining steel, engineering and on the railways were exempted from fighting. When Winston Churchill got himself a front line commission in 1916 it was not about the money. When Reinhardt Heydrich flew missions over Russia in order to win an Iron Cross it was not about the money.

[Drlee]

If he pulls this out, I am going to laugh my ass off!

Oh he is going to be elected alright. Make no mistake. I have posted this time and again. Unless he withdraws first he will be elected.

Perhaps the republicans will refuse to seat him and let the governor appoint a party hack to his seat. That could happen. A great grandstand play which will get them the moderate that McConnell wants.

If I was running the democratic party I would vote against denying Moore his seat. Let the republicans own him for awhile. And let his far-right vote wreck their big spending intentions.

In the end though, if he wins there will be two camps in the republican party. Those who remain quiet and those who say, "the people have spoken". They only way the republican party can lose is for the democrat to win. And I do not think that will happen. The women of Alabama do not have the ovaries to defy what their husbands tell them to do.

[Godstud]

Roy Moore has dropped 28 points in the, and is now behind the Democrat. polls this month.

A new poll from the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the campaign arm of the Senate Republicans, has Moore trailing his Democratic opponent Doug Jones by 12 percentage points, 51% to 39%, according to data obtained by TIME.

[jimjam]

I take particular exception to your signature as neither world war I or world war II were about the money. Churchill did not argue for war against Hitler because he thought Hitler was a threat to the value of his share portfolio. So many upper class young men made the ultimate sacrifice in WWI and WWII while so many unionised workers in mining steel, engineering and on the railways were exempted from fighting. When Winston Churchill got himself a front line commission in 1916 it was not about the money. When Reinhardt Heydrich flew missions over Russia in order to win an Iron Cross it was not about the money.

Ummmm .............. If they say it's not about the money, it's about the money. As in "tax reform".

[jimjam]

Unfortunately, Moore will probably still win the Senate. He's mastered the Steve Bannon easy, four-step playbook for con artists, sexual assaulters and pedophiles: Step 1., Lie; Step 2.; Call anyone and everyone who accuses you of anything liars. Step 3., Blame the media; Step 4., Praise God and repeat.

Worked for Trump, and it'll work for Moore.

[Suntzu]

Certainly worked for Bill!

I will guffaw if Moore wins.

[maz]

I haven't read the entire thread but I though it was interesting that President Trump never endorsed Moore. You wouldn't know it listening to the media because they are lumping Moore and Trump together in every news story as if they are allies or something.

[Hindsite]

No, he belongs with your grand-children, right? Would you trust this man with your children between 13- and 16? Really?

It was not unusual back then for men to want to marry virgins and it is reasonable to think the younger women are more likely to be virgins.

Roy Moore is known as an honorable man, whereas his accusers are not. The women that claims she was 14 also accused 3 different Pastors of sexually abuse, but the claims could not be supported. She also had 3 divorces. And we already know that the one claiming she was 16 was caught in a lie. We can't even trust them to tell how old they were. Roy Moore has been known as a truthful man by those that know him best. These women can't be trusted to tell the truth.

[Godstud]

The women that claims she was 14 also accused 3 different Pastors of sexually abuse, but the claims could not be supported.

pastors and priests are well known to be sexual predators.

She also had 3 divorces.

So has Trump. Are you implying that he's bad because of it. Classic!

Roy Moore has been known as a truthful man by those that know him best.

Moore has already lied about these incidents by stating that he bver even met them. You're buying into more lies, just you did when Trump told you.

If anyone is lying here, It's Roy Moore. Instead of believing the obvious, you choose to believe that 12 women are lying about him. That's pretty gullible.

Roy Moore isn't going to win:
A new poll from the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the campaign arm of the Senate Republicans, has Moore trailing his Democratic opponent Doug Jones by 12 percentage points, 51% to 39%, according to data obtained by TIME.

[Hindsite]

pastors and priests are well known to be sexual predators.

Catholic priests for sure. However, this woman only accused pastors and after investigation, no basis was found to support her allegations.

So has Trump. Are you implying that he's bad because of it.

I forgot to add that she was deep in debt and would be an easy target for lies for cash.

Moore has already lied about these incidents by stating that he bver even met them. You're buying into more lies, just you did when Trump told you.

If anyone is lying here, It's Roy Moore. Instead of believing the obvious, you choose to believe that 12 women are lying about him. That's pretty gullible.

Maybe he did and maybe he did not. We don't have the proof he lied. The women haven't given me any reason to believe them over Roy Moore. Let's get the forensic examination on the yearbook and then I will have reason to believe one of them, even though she failed to reveal her divorce was presided over by Moore. She may have forgotten, just like Moore did. Give me the evidence. Praise the Lord.

[Godstud]

We don't have the proof he lied.

We do. He claimed not to have even met the victims, but they have evidence to the contrary. That is called LYING.

[Hindsite]

We do. He claimed not to have even met the victims, but they have evidence to the contrary. That is called LYING.

I am not sure what Roy Moore claimed other than what he said on that video. I don't know what evidence they have that proves he lied. Where is your video that proves Moore lied?

[Stormsmith]

Theres zero evidence anyone offered her cash. You have no proof re: the vicars.

So there's no reason to take any of this into account.

Meanwhile, the rest of the community knew full well Moore chased young girls.

[Godstud]

@Hindsite I know how to read. Videos are for the illiterate, and for people who need to have the news TOLD to them.

I posted it already. If you can't read, then why are you on a discussion forum where we read sources, and video sources are notoriously biased.

Also, you like to think that 12 women are all liars. That's not only dumb, but illogical.