[Hindsite]

@Hindsite I know how to read. Videos are for the illiterate, and for people who need to have the news TOLD to them.

I posted it already. If you can't read, then why are you on a discussion forum where we read sources, and video sources are notoriously biased.

Also, you like to think that 12 women are all liars. That's not only dumb, but illogical.

You are wrong to think you can believe whatever you read. Actually seeing and hearing someone say something is much better evidence that what someone writes about what someone said. HalleluYah

[Godstud]

You believe a lot of stupid things because you are watching them(Fox News, Breitbart, etc.) state opinions on the news, and think it's news. This is where people get confused. You are watching news and expect facts, but then are confused because they give you their opinion. You then think their opinion is fact.

Non-American news is distinctly different because the anchors do not give their opinions while reporting the news. They report the facts.

When you read, you can pore through a lot more information than by sitting there for 20 minutes waiting for someone to make a single point. Most people read a great deal faster than they talk. That's why the best sources are not videos from youtube, which is often small tidbits cherry-picked/edited from a much longer video, and often taken out of context.

[Hindsite]

You believe a lot of stupid things because you are watching them(Fox News, Breitbart, etc.) state opinions on the news, and think it's news. This is where people get confused. You are watching news and expect facts, but then are confused because they give you their opinion. You then think their opinion is fact.

Non-American news is distinctly different because the anchors do not give their opinions while reporting the news. They report the facts.

When you read, you can pore through a lot more information than by sitting there for 20 minutes waiting for someone to make a single point. Most people read a great deal faster than they talk. That's why the best sources are not videos from youtube, which is often small tidbits cherry-picked/edited from a much longer video, and often taken out of context.

You seem to be ignorant of the fact that News that one would see on TV is on Youtube videos. It is the same thing. You need to expand your knowledge.

[Godstud]

@Hindsite It's often news where they edit out important parts. You're aware of the wonders of video editing, aren't you?

[JohnRawls]

After this thread, I do not think Hindsite is a Christian actually. I think he is just pretending.

[Drlee]

You believe a lot of stupid things because you are watching them(Fox News, Breitbart, etc.) state opinions on the news, and think it's news.

Very true. They don't pitch it very high either.

[Beren]

After this thread, I do not think Hindsite is a Christian actually. I think he is just pretending.

He's just pretending, of course. Trumpists can't be true Christians, because Trumpism is incompatible with Christianity. Trump is so different from Christ that he could be the anti-Christ actually.

[Drlee]

Any Christian who would support the kinds of cuts to social programs for the poor that the republicans are supporting should convert to something else. They are a disgrace.

[Pants-of-dog]

Any Christian who would support the kinds of cuts to social programs for the poor that the republicans are supporting should convert to something else. They are a disgrace.

Amen.

[blackjack21]

A new poll from the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the campaign arm of the Senate Republicans, has Moore trailing his Democratic opponent Doug Jones by 12 percentage points, 51% to 39%, according to data obtained by TIME.

That doesn't represent any validity as an internal poll. Many think Mitch McConnell is the one masterminding this scandal. Gloria Allred tried to demand that Roy Moore testify before the Senate ethics committee, but he is not a member of the Senate. That's akin to putting Moore before McConnell's kangaroo court.

I haven't read the entire thread but I though it was interesting that President Trump never endorsed Moore.

Trump campaigned for Luther Strange--Mitch McConnell's candidate, and probably why he lost as McConnell has delivered next to nothing so far.

The women that claims she was 14 also accused 3 different Pastors of sexually abuse, but the claims could not be supported. She also had 3 divorces.

The woman alleging she was 14 likely had his signature forged, as it was signed with "D.A." after his name. Moore presided in one of her divorce cases, so she had the paperwork with a likeness of his signature on it. However, the signature was one of the signature stamps or machines that assistants use to process paperwork as a delegate under a superior's name. The D.A. does not mean "District Attorney," but rather the initials of the person who added the signature. Whoever forged Moore's signature assumed that as assistant district attorney, Moore was adding the initials of his role after the signature in the same way a doctor might advertise John Doe, MD. However, Moore noticed the anomaly and is pressing the matter, while Allred will not release evidence of a potential forgery for analysis for rather obvious reasons.

pastors and priests are well known to be sexual predators.

So are homosexual males. Does that make them all bad?

So has Trump.

Trump has had two divorces.

2. Franken worked on an SNL skit that joked about raping journalists Lesley Stahl and Mike Wallace

That is the irony of having run a multi-year presidential campaign based on a "war on women." Millennials would never think of Mary Jo Kopechne being murdered by Ted Kennedy, who went on to have a long, distinguished career in the Senate. A Republican would have his career ruined and serve prison time for what Kennedy did. Millennials ultimately learned about Bill Clinton, as they were toddlers at best during the height of the Lewinsky scandal. However, they only learned because Trump was the only one with a set of balls to bring his accusers to a presidential debate. Yet, to have the gall to run Hillary Clinton and then develop a phony "war on women" campaign makes the whole thing stink of poetic justice.

Franken: “What about, ‘I drag Mike into my office and rape him. Right here! I guess that makes me bad.’”

See? Franken thought rape was a funny topic, and is now caught in a political witch hunt of his own party's making.

One of the consequences of the conversations resulting from the Cosby, Weinstein, Moore etc situation is, although it's a little late in the day, these are being reported by grown women who have enough experience to know what's right and what's wrong, and the language to report these events. I am reminded 2 of the first 4 women to report on Moore said they were initially flattered by his attention, but over time, they grew uncomfortable with it.

That is not a crime though. The only one that could be construed as a crime is the woman who asserted she was 14 at the time, and that Moore was physical with her. That wouldn't be rape, but assault. However, it appears that she had his signature forged. Her known contact with Moore was when he presided over her divorce case, where she didn't receive the ruling apparently she wanted.

So every pretty much every liberal media presenter is running cover for Al Franken by using 1) mock groping excuse 3) but what about Roy Moore 3) it's just a prank bro excuse or 4) he apologized for his behavior and thus should not be in the same category of Roy Moore

That appears to be the case.

Rule #1: You cannot be more offended than the victim.

So Stockholm Syndrome is a legitimate defense now? That's nice. How offended was Mary Jo Kopechne? I guess we'll never know...

What part of ETHICS INVESTIGATION don't you understand? Do you have poor reading comprehension, or are you just not reading all the post?

The Senate ethics committee will do nothing beyond a verbal reprimand, because it happened before Franken was a Senator. So officially they can't do anything. That's why he's cooperating and even suggesting it. It creates the appearance of him being cleared officially. We understand the game.

Here's another peculiar twist in the Al Franken story:
MINNESOTA RAPE VICTIM WANTS AL FRANKEN'S NAME OFF OF SEXUAL ASSAULT BILL HE SPONSORED

In 2014, Honold was brutally raped by a University of Minnesota student after a campus tailgate party. She took an ambulance to the hospital and filed a police report immediately. Still, it took a nearly two-year legal fight to convict her rapist, Daniel Drill-Mellum.

That fight led her to Franken’s office, where Drill-Mellum had interned. “He was one of the few people who listened to me and actually let me talk. It felt really validating to be heard and to see something come of my experience that was positive for other people,” Honold said.

That's pretty bizarre. Franken champions anti-rape investigation techniques after one of his own interns brutally rapes someone. That's generally a good thing, but it also fits with a pattern and practice of sexual impropriety that may have set a bad example for a young man thinking he could take license with a woman, and who is now serving a six year sentence for rape.

[Rich]

pastors and priests are well known to be sexual predators.

So are Buddhist monks. Tibet's monks were notorious pederast and paedophile rapists. Do you think Thailand's authoritarian Conservative culture is not hiding a cess pit of sexual abuse to rival the Catholic church? Thailand used to advertise itself as the world's number one paedophile holiday destination, before westerner's pressured into at least making token efforts to stop it. But you never criticise Buddhists do you? Unless they're standing up to Muslims of course?

Some might wonder why lefties aren't more keen on Hindu's. They're not White, they've got a superstitious misogynistic culture, that make Black rap(e) culture look feminist. What's not for our lefties to like? They don't worship the Muslims is of course the answer. Muslims trump all in leftie land as Jews trump all in cuckservative land.

[Zagadka]

[Zag Note: Please discuss the topic, not other posters]

[Hindsite]

Beverly Young Nelson and her lawyer, Gloria Allred, offered the only “proof” in all the accusations that Moore and the woman even knew each other – Nelson’s 1977 high school yearbook allegedly signed “Love, Roy Moore, D.A.” It’s come to light that “D.A.” were the initials of Judge Moore’s longtime assistant and secretary, Delbra Adams, who says she habitually added them to his official signature, as proved by a divorce document he signed years later with the identical D.A. initials – coincidentally, a divorce decree in the case of none other than the very same Beverly Young Nelson.

That’s a big problem for Allred and Nelson since there’s no way that Moore would have added his assistant’s “D.A.” initials to a personal 1977 yearbook signature (also he was an Assistant D.A., then a judge, never a D.A.) AND especially since Ms. Adams didn’t start working for Judge Moore until 1989, 12 years later. And there are other big doubts about the validity of the Moore signature.

But the most damning evidence of forgery comes from Allred herself. When CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asked her directly: “Can you say flatly to our viewers that the signature is not a forgery?” Allred refused to answer his persistent question. She told Blitzer she would only release the yearbook for examination by hand-writing experts if and when a Senate committee calls a special hearing. Which she knows perfectly well they will not do for a candidate -- and time-wise it’s impossible prior to the December 12 Alabama election.

Allred and her client have exposed themselves as serial liars. The Republicans would rather have a Democrat in the Senate than a man who would help bolster their majority and President Trump’s agenda. And Roy Moore is being mercilessly savaged by political assassins on the basis of nothing more than 40-year-old she-said passing for proof. Oh, and the latest is some woman accusing him of grabbing her butt while her mother was present. Yeah, that happened.

https://townhall.com/columnists/joyover ... e-n2411630

[Beren]

Although not related to the topic directly, it's an interesting read about Moore as a candidate anyways.

I know Roy Moore. He’s always been a con artist.

The candidate has made a career of willfully misrepresenting the ideas he claims to stand for.

By Randall Balmer | November 17

Randall Balmer is the John Phillips Professor in Religion and director of the Society of Fellows at Dartmouth College.

I first encountered Roy Moore in 2002 in a Montgomery, Ala., courtroom, where I was an expert witness on the separation of church and state in what came to be known as the Alabama Ten Commandments case. Moore, then the state’s chief justice, was the defendant. He had installed a granite block emblazoned with the Ten Commandments in the rotunda of the Judicial Building in Montgomery, declared that the event marked “the restoration of the moral foundation of law to our people and the return to the knowledge of God in our land” and then refused to allow any other religious representations in that public space.

“Roy’s Rock” represented a clear violation of the establishment clause of the First Amendment, and Moore was being sued for so blatantly flouting the Constitution. He was silent that day in the courtroom, but he had already made a great deal of noise about the United States being a Christian nation. One of his arguments was that the founders were aware of no religion other than Christianity, and therefore, the First Amendment gave only Christians the right to free exercise.

That statement, of course, was demonstrably, ridiculously false. But that’s Roy Moore. The Republican Senate nominee has fashioned an entire career out of subterfuge and self-misrepresentation — as a constitutional authority, as a Baptist and as a spokesman for evangelical values. The recent allegations of sexual misconduct, together with his many specious statements over the years — that the First Amendment guarantees religious freedom only for Christians, for example, or that many communities in the United States stagger under the burden of Islamic sharia law — underscore both his hypocrisy and his tenuous grasp of reality.

In 2004, after Moore was unseated for refusing to obey a court order to remove his Ten Commandments monument and was touring as a kind of full-time martyr for the religious right, I visited the judge in Montgomery, together with a group of students from the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism. In the course of the conversation, Moore launched into his riff about how the founders intended Christianity as the only constitutionally protected religion because they knew nothing else. (The founders were most certainly aware of Jews and Muslims, who appear in the writings of Thomas Jefferson and in the Treaty of Tripoli as “Mussulmen,” the French term. That same treaty, negotiated by the John Adams administration and ratified unanimously by the Senate in 1797, states that “the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”)

I decided to play along. By Moore’s logic, I suggested, another clause of the First Amendment, freedom of the press, applied only to newspapers and not to other media because the founders had no knowledge of radio, television or the Internet.
Moore, rarely at a loss for words, was stumped for a moment, but he quickly regained his composure and resumed his bluster.

Aside from boasts about his constitutional expertise, Moore also asserts that he is a Baptist. (He is a member of First Baptist Church in Gallant, Ala.) Once again, his behavior belies that claim. The Baptist tradition in America is marked by two characteristics. The first is that only adults and older children, not babies, may be baptized. The second is a belief in liberty of conscience and the separation of church and state , which grew in part out of Baptists’ persecution as a minority in early America.

It was Roger Williams, a dissident Puritan who fled to what’s now Rhode Island and became the founder of the Baptist tradition in America, who advocated for dividing the “garden of the church” from the “wilderness of the world” by means of a “wall of separation.” Jefferson, writing to the Baptists of Danbury, Conn., in 1802, employed the same metaphor to summarize his understanding of the First Amendment.

For Williams and his contemporaries, the “wilderness” was a place of darkness where evil lurked, so when Williams talked about a wall of separation to protect the garden from the wilderness, his concern was that the integrity of the faith would be compromised by too close an association with the state.

For more than three centuries, at least until the conservative takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention in 1979, Baptists patrolled the wall of separation between church and state. Speaking at a rally on the steps of the U.S. Capitol on May 16, 1920, Baptist theologian George Washington Truett proudly declared that the separation of church and state was “preeminently a Baptist achievement.” He added that it was “the consistent and insistent contention of our Baptist people, always and everywhere, that religion must be forever voluntary and uncoerced, and that it is not the prerogative of any power, whether civil or ecclesiastical, to compel men to conform to any religious creed or form of worship.” Echoing Williams’s sentiments from several centuries earlier, Truett concluded that Christianity “needs no prop of any kind from any worldly source” and that any such support is a “millstone hanged about its neck.”

That washing-machine-size rock Moore unveiled in Alabama was a 5,280-pound millstone. No one even dimly aware of Baptist heritage would tolerate such chicanery because the confluence of church and state, as Williams warned, diminishes the faith and opens it to fetishization and trivialization.

Finally, Moore claims to represent “family values” and, more broadly, evangelical Christian values. Aside from the disquieting specter of a 30-something Moore trolling shopping malls for teenage dates, Moore does not represent the evangelical movement he claims to herald. Historically, evangelicalism once stood for people on the margins, those Jesus called “the least of these.” Evangelicals in the 19th century advocated public education, so that children from less-affluent families could toe the first rungs of the ladder toward socioeconomic stability. They worked for prison reform and the abolition of slavery. They advocated equal rights, including voting rights, for women and the rights of workers to organize. The agenda of 19th- and early-20th-century evangelicals is a far cry from that of Moore and the religious right. I leave it to others to determine which version of “evangelical values” better comports with the words of Jesus, who instructed his followers to visit the prisoners, feed the hungry, welcome the stranger and care for the needy.

The image that Moore has tried to project over the course of his career — as a constitutional authority, a Baptist and a representative of evangelical values — is false, even fraudulent. The voters of Alabama have the opportunity to unmask him as the imposter he is.

[Hindsite]

Moses and the 10 Commandments are in the Supreme Court Building.

http://www.itwillpass.com/law-Moses-Ten ... ourt.shtml

I believe one of the most important of the Ten Commandments for a court and its ability to administer proper justice is the one that says "Thou shall not bear false witness."

Roy Moore was a Democrat until 1992.

Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh on Tuesday criticized Republicans for distancing themselves from Alabama GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore, while saying that Moore was a Democrat at the time he allegedly engaged in sexual misconduct with teenage girls.

“Did you know that before 1992, when a lot of this was going on, that Judge Moore was a Democrat?” Limbaugh said on his radio show. “Nobody said a word.”

“When he supposedly was attracted to inappropriately-aged girls — he was a Democrat,” Limbaugh added.


Limbaugh also went after Republicans who have called on Moore to step aside from the race.

“No matter what the real stories are here, and no matter what the evidence is, these guys, these people on the Republican side, are making it clear they are going to prevent this guy from ever being seated in the United States Senate,” Limbaugh said.

Moore earned an appointment to the circuit trial court in Etowah County in 1992 after switching his political affiliation from Democrat to Republican, according to Politico.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/36034 ... llegations

This may be another reason why the main steam Republicans, like McConnell, don't trust him in the Senate. That was one of the many reasons he did not trust Trump, also.

[Godstud]

I believe one of the most important of the Ten Commandments for a court and its ability to administer proper justice is the one that says "Thou shall not bear false witness."

That applies to Moore, as well.

Roy Moore was a Democrat until 1992.

Irrelevant. Kiddy-fiddlers are scum no matter what party they follow. It's a bipartisan issue. Stop making excuses for your kiddy-fiddler hero.

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

Irrelevant. Kiddy-fiddlers are scum no matter what party they follow. It's a bipartisan issue. Stop making excuses for your kiddy-fiddler hero.

Exactly. Condemning child molesters is not some kind of pathetic partisan issue.

[Hindsite]

That applies to Moore, as well.

Irrelevant. Kiddy-fiddlers are scum no matter what party they follow. It's a bipartisan issue. Stop making excuses for your kiddy-fiddler hero.

The liberal Democrats made a lot of excuses for Bill Clinton and attacked his accusers, as well. Even after he looked into the camera and said to all Americans, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." It was soon discover that was a lie. He lied about the other women too. We have yet to prove that Roy Moore is lying. But one of his accusers and her lawyer are trying to perpetuate a fraud on the American people.

[Godstud]

Even after he looked into the camera and said to all Americans, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." It was soon discover that was a lie. He lied about the other women too.

You're lying! Clinton had to resign rather than face impeachment for what he did. People knew he lied, and it was not OK for liberal Democrats.

Also, it was not about a sexual assault. You, Hindsite, are trying to compare a consensual liaison with an adult woman to Roy Moore's sexual misconduct with children. How Christian of you.

[blackjack21]

You believe a lot of stupid things because you are watching them(Fox News, Breitbart, etc.) state opinions on the news, and think it's news.

The entire Roy Moore "scandal" is a media creation. It didn't exist until he won a primary runoff for the US Senate. The next thing we're going to hear is that he stole candy bars when he was 10 years old.

Beverly Young Nelson and her lawyer, Gloria Allred, offered the only “proof” in all the accusations that Moore and the woman even knew each other – Nelson’s 1977 high school yearbook allegedly signed “Love, Roy Moore, D.A.” It’s come to light that “D.A.” were the initials of Judge Moore’s longtime assistant and secretary, Delbra Adams, who says she habitually added them to his official signature, as proved by a divorce document he signed years later with the identical D.A. initials – coincidentally, a divorce decree in the case of none other than the very same Beverly Young Nelson.

Right. It's phony. The rest of the stories aren't of any unlawful conduct and were probably added to try to buttress the phony criminal charge that is beyond the statute of limitations anyway.

But the most damning evidence of forgery comes from Allred herself. When CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asked her directly: “Can you say flatly to our viewers that the signature is not a forgery?” Allred refused to answer his persistent question.

She's avoiding civil liability herself. At least law school taught her something about the law.

The Republicans would rather have a Democrat in the Senate than a man who would help bolster their majority and President Trump’s agenda.

The establishment has its own agenda, and it isn't the will of the people by any stretch of the imagination.

It's a bipartisan issue.

It's an establishment issue to divide the people and thwart their will.

You're lying! Clinton had to resign rather than face impeachment for what he did.

Clinton never resigned. Are you confusing him with Nixon, are you ignorant of the fact that Clinton served out his term, or is there something wrong with your ability to comprehend facts?

People knew he lied, and it was not OK for liberal Democrats.

He was not convicted in the Senate because of liberal Democrats.

Also, it was not about a sexual assault.

He was impeached for lying to a court of law under oath--a felony.