- 21 Nov 2017 19:39
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[quote="JohnRawls"]@redcarpet
@Beren
@ingliz
What are you talking about even? You are going to pay us 60 Billion when it is all and done. I do not understand who gave the British people the impression that you are in the driving seat in these negotiations.
If you do not want to have a no deal Brexit, you will need to:
a) Pay us up for what you signed for. (Roughly 50-60 billion)
b) Provide a solution to Northern Ireland issue.
c) Give a position on European Union citizens right. (If we don't like it then No deal)
I don't know where you get £60 BILLION from, £40 BILLION is the current numerical total, unless you know something I & others don't?
There are TWO sides to the question of financial liabilities involved in leaving the EU , the UK has a 3 to 1 ratio of ex-pats - EU migrants in the Uk , that implies that the EU owes the UK a lot of money for pension & other social provisions.
While it's true that the EU doesn't need to do anything, providing it's a straightforward EXIT, if a trade deal is negotiated(paid for with British taxpayers money(DEBT),it's ONLY being done because of the business lobby that has been trundling into 10 Downing Street of late & it's ONLY the 'TORY' friends in business that will profit with our money through loss of public services.
Apart from this 'BREXIT' deal of sorts, just remember that if one is agreed, it will indicate that MAY has betrayed the 'Leavers' over 'Free Movement', as the 'Customs Union' & 'Single Market' are integral to the EU.
The 'Free Movement', 'Customs Union', along with the 'Single Market' are inseparable to the EU, therefore, if a 'deal' is agreed, either the EU27 or Theresa MAY will be shown to have betrayed the British public, or the principles of the EU will be broken.
If it's the UK that has 'blinked', the TORY Party will be politically 'DEAD', no 'change-of-leadership', AKA Political 'Musical-Chairs', such as when CAMERON resigned will change that one jot.
Any deviation of Maastricht or Lisbon Treaty will not be acceptable to the majority of the EU27 countries, otherwise, what is the point of treaties.
Treaties, whenever amended, should be put to the people to vote on should, not clandestinely hid under the carpet of a general election in any one country.
It was the TORY Party that took GB into the EEC(Common Market), that Treaty has changed out of all recognition in terms of free movement of people, capital or goods.
It's also true that there has been massive abuse through political negligence in the proper legal enforcement within the EU of the Geneva Convention over asylum-seekers & 'refugees'.
Considering the above, does any reasonable person believe that the founding principles have evolved to the benefit of the European peoples, or, that they have only changed to benefit the fat,corrupt Capitalist pigs & their political friends in the EU parliament?
I personally am not anti-European, I welcome people of any European country, whether in the EU or not, what is wrong, is
the 'social-engineering' as displayed with migrants from African nations or bogus 'asylum-seekers' & 'third-countries' of which the EU has extended it's policies without public support of the people of Europe.
It's also about the 'basis' upon which we allow people to be here, along with vigorous enforcement in deporting migrants who have no right to be here as 'citizens'.
Andre PREVIN : "Your playing all the 'wrong' notes" .
Eric MORECOMBE ; "I'm playing all the 'right' notes,but, not necessarily in the 'right' order".