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#14864891
noir wrote:Indeed there is no solution.


No, you don't have a solution.
You quoted SolarCross who literally said "There are no easy solutions". That's something different.

@SolarCross
You contribute to this balcanisation of the west. Using violence is a choice, not an inevitability.
The conservative muslims and their far right opponents are clearly two communicating vessels.
#14864894
Reichstraten wrote:You contribute to this balcanisation of the west. Using violence is a choice, not an inevitability.
The conservative muslims and their far right opponents are clearly two communicating vessels.

It was a choice for jews to go quietly into the night like nice peaceful people when the nazis came knocking, it was a choice again they made in Israel when they said no they are not going to go quietly into the night instead they would fight to protect their own. You can always choose but the consequences of choosing are what they are.

It takes two to make peace, only one to start a war, you seem to think it is the opposite, if so you are wrong.
#14864897
@SolarCross
You seem to think all muslims in the west are in war with the west. If so you are wrong.
Of course, a lot of muslims are not integrated properly, but that for a large part due to us being unclear of what we ask(ed) of them.
Changing this seems like a good start to me. Do you agree? If not, why not?
If you really think violence is the only solution you're off track.
#14864986
SolarCross wrote:Indeed and religion is one of the unequal factors. Islam is not equal to Christianity or Buddhism or Shinto.


Please provide evidence for this claim.

I am not assuming societies progress the same way, another strawman of yours, indeed some don't advance at all.


As long as we agree that progress is not like Sid Meier’s Civilisation.

Europe was hit by the plague as well. Asia has had its fair share of deadly epidemics too. Disease outbreaks are not the cause of the MEs problems. You could make a fair case that the Native Americans were wrecked by old world germs but if anything those germs originated in the ME as it was the first region to civilise. Cities + trade routes = disease and disease spread.


In this paragraph, you first argue that other regions also dealt with disease, which you then imply is enough to dismiss disease.

But you then go and point out that MENA countries have been dealing with more disease for longer.

Bottlenecks are an advantage, it means tolls and taxing trade that isn't even anything to do with you. Before sea routes were found around the ME Chinese silk had to pass through the hands of ME merchants and ME tax collectors before arriving in Europe. European consumption subsidised the middle east. The motivation for finding routes around the ME such as the perilous horn of Africa and Columbus's travels that unveiled the americas to europeans was in no small measure driven by the need to avoid Islamic shakedown artists. If Islamists weren't such massive arsesoles, Europe may not have discovered the americas until much later.


Do you think that people tried to wrest control of these bottlenecks from others?
#14864997
In case anybody is interested, here is a PEW survey on religion in Eastern and SE Europe, which probably explains part of the opposition to Muslim immigration there.

Religious Belief and National Belonging in Central and Eastern Europe

National and religious identities converge in a region once dominated by atheist regimes

Roughly a quarter of a century after the fall of the Iron Curtain and subsequent collapse of the Soviet Union, a major new Pew Research Center survey finds that religion has reasserted itself as an important part of individual and national identity in many of the Central and Eastern European countries where communist regimes once repressed religious worship and promoted atheism.

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#14865379
Even if forty years ago multiculturalism (moral relativism) represented an option among others, today it is imposed by the demographic
Muslim pressure from within, combined with the terrorist threat from without—unless Europeans themselves reassert a new consciousness of their own identity and destiny, highly improbable today after four decades of debilitating indoctrination.

Meanwhile, Islamism has entrenched itself in Europe’s strategic nerve centers, engineering the irreversible process of Europe’s dhimmitude: its respectful obedience to shari’a rules relating to social and political behavior, teaching, and gender.


France is debating dropping the Minimum Legal Age for sexual consent to 13 years-old (Pedophilia)




To stop Muslims from praying (occupying) in their streets, France wants to double mosques from 2,500 mosques to 5,000


#14865550
A British Muslim organization declares this month as Islamophobia awareness month

Ladt night, thousands of Londoners ran for their lives in terror. They didn't hear gunshots, they didn't see a suicide bomber, they didn't even see a Jihad truck ramming. They simply saw other people running and assumed it was a Jihad terror attack.



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#14868068
anasawad wrote:For Iran, again, most Persian empires to exist were Islamic. The reason Iranian empires didn't conquer the world like the first empire is simple. There were other empires at play this time.
The first Persian empire reached its peak not because we Persians are super humans or something, but because the Assyrian empire was decimated by both the Medians and Babylonians along side various nomadic invasions that devastated its armies. a handful of decades after it fell apart, we rose to power because everyone else was so drained from facing the devastating might of the Assyrian force that they were all easy picks for conquering.


Lies or miss information? Saying most Persian Empires were Islamic is a historical and cultural blasphemy. I think is time for you to go to a Islamic political forum were you will find other nut jobs willing to accept alternative facts as reality.

Are you saying Cyrus, the Great was a Muslem? Persians stopped progressing when Islam arrived. The ancient Persians, like Romans, were borrowers from the cultures/countries they conquered. Amazing archtecture, engineering, art, gardens. Is insulting saying they were Muslims....as if....
#14868136
@Politiks
Lies or miss information?

Are you trying to pick which one you're going to use this time ?

Saying most Persian Empires were Islamic is a historical and cultural blasphemy.

Said someone who never read anything about the history of Iran.
Here is a list of non-Muslim imperial dynasties that Iran had:
1-Achaemenids
2-Parthians
3-Sasanians.

A list of Muslim Imperial Dynasties of Iran:
-Samanids
-Safarids
-Ghurids
-Buyids
-Ziyarids
-Seljuks
-Khwarezmids
-Timurids
-Safavids
-Afsharids
-Zands
-Qajars
-Pahlavis

There seems to be some difference in size between those two lists. What do you think ?

I think is time for you to go to a Islamic political forum were you will find other nut jobs willing to accept alternative facts as reality.

And its time for you to do a little research before you enter a discussion.
It is not "cultural blasphemy" to admit the fact that our first major rise to power was simply lucky timing right after the collapse of all rival powers in the world, filling the largest power vacuum in history of human civilization. Those are just facts, and we're not stupid (unlike some) to deny them.

Iranian cultural and identity today is a mixture between old Persian mysticism, Zoroastrianism and Islam. With many minor influences from various other cultures. If you don't like, well, fuck off. None of us gives a fuck whether you like our culture or not.

Persians stopped progressing when Islam arrived.

:knife:

Amazing archtecture, engineering, art, gardens.

While we indeed have amazing architectural wonders spread all over the nation, anyone with minor information about it would know that those that can be visited today cover a wide range of historical periods, starting from over a thousand year before the first Persian empire, and all the way up to the last couple of dynasties of the 19th and 20th century.
With a larger number being of the latter periods rather than the earlier periods as the nation grew richer and richer with passing centuries and ruling dynasties built more and more monuments to show grandeur.
#14868229
Maybe then, the Germans should stop blaming only Merkel for the immigrants.



German pilots refuse to carry out deportations

Pilots across Germany are stopping planned deportations of rejected asylum seekers. At the same time, refugees are appealing their deportation orders in record numbers - and winning.

Many pilots in Germany are refusing to participate in deportations, local media reported on Monday.

Following an information request from the Left party, the government said that 222 planned flights were stopped by pilots who wanted no part in the controversial return of refugees to Afghanistan, which has been deemed a "safe country of origin" in some cases, despite ongoing violence and repression in parts of the country.



All over the world, people are just confused about what was really Nazism or the Third Reich. The Nazis had nothing against Islam or what was called then the "colored world". They were the best baddies. As are the nachkriegskinder, the 68ers liberal elite.

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#14868263
@noir, @anasawad, @Politiks, @Pants-of-dog, @Kaiserschmarrn, @SolarCross,

WHOA WHOA GUYS, I THINK WE ARE JUST MISUNDERSTANDING THE TRUE INTENTIONS AND DESIRES OF THE REFUGEES AND OF ISLAM.....HERE IS THE PROOF:

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See! they just want to help us get a load off. Gross, but well meaning. :lol:
#14868321
The German situation is different than France. They have deep solidarity and shared values. Who knows maybe it can work there






An exhibition called “Martyrs’ museum” opened this week in Berlin’s Bethanien exhibition hall. It offers its visitors what it calls an opportunity to look at the history of martyrdom in an “absolutely unbiased” way.

An interactive show of sorts, it features images of people, who “sacrificed their lives to their cause” throughout history, as well as replicas of objects associated with a given figure.

The installation particularly tells the stories of Mohammed Atta, who deliberately crashed a plane into one of the twin towers of the World Trade Center in the New York City on September 11, 2001, as well as that of Ismael Omar Mustafa, who was among those shooting people at the Bataclan club in Paris in November 2015.

The list of terrorists, who are presented at the exhibition as “martyrs, who died for their cause,” also includes the attackers who devastated Brussels in March 2016, and a suicide bomber who blew herself up in the Moscow metro in 2010. The organizers also offer the visitors audio guides that “tell the stories” of the “martyrs,” particularly explaining that the terrorists saw their actions as a fight against western culture or for the independence of their homelands.

“The artists sought to broaden the concept of martyrdom,” Ricarda Ciontos, the person managing the Nordwind Festival that hosts the exhibition, told the local media. “A notion of a martyr is understood and used by us and other countries in an absolutely different way,” she said, adding that, such countries as Iraq or Iran glorify those, whom the west sees as murderers and terrorists.


On the other hand, few years ago, an exhibit covers the “The Third World during the Second World War” featuring the Arab Palestinian Mufti, Hajj Muhammad Amin al-Husseini, who was an ally of Adolf Hitler, was banned in Berlin.
#14868336
German artists can not venture both ways. They have but one direction to 'creatively explore' and 'push the envelope' in, as the other is heavily censored, morally condemned and severely penalized. The outcome is the above, where they're proposing something (supposedly) 'edgy', which in reality is just them succumbing to dogmatic groupthink and leftist conformism. (Let's face it, it's not even novel or thought-provoking, just the same refrain repeated ad nauseum. "They're victims, we're the oppressor class, please give my hollow existence meaning.")

Leftist 'artists' are listless automatons. Their creative landscape is one of regret and collective sins.
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