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starman2003 wrote:I expect that as Israel's population grows, ethnic cleansing will accelerate.....



Probably accurate assessment. Israel is extremely over crowded and tiny. With the growing Islamic Antisemitism in Europe, Israel will need more room to the newcomers.

Certainly of all peoples, the Americans and Muslims must know that the history of the world is the history of colonization and ethnic cleansing.
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The Christian Arabs are victim of Islamic supermecy



A very rare Israeli interview to the Arab media. Usually, Israeli spokesmen on Arab or international media are left wing folk who try to appease -unsuccessfully - the Arabs. Mordechai Keidar, an Israeli scholoar for Arab culture, is the only man ever that doesn't try to be nice to the Arabs.

This recent video from Al Jazeera is going viral. The words are harsh and blunt but maybe this is the only option that left for Israel.

Pardon for twitter haters

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noir wrote:Probably accurate assessment. Israel is extremely over crowded and tiny. With the growing Islamic Antisemitism in Europe, Israel will need more room to the newcomers.


I doubt Israel will have more appeal than Europe, or that it's really dangerous to live in Europe. But Israel will probably need more room due to its own expanding population.

Certainly of all peoples, the Americans and Muslims must know that the history of the world is the history of colonization and ethnic cleansing.


For years I've felt the most likely scenario is eventual expulsion and killing of the Palestinians. It's possible that, after further Israeli encroachment on their land the Palestinians will really rise up and the Israelis will use this as a pretext to kill and drive them all out. The zionist lobby here will prevent the US from stopping that, or ending support of Israel. But the policy will incur more resentment than ever, leading to an eventual denoument....
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starman2003 wrote:But the policy will incur more resentment than ever, leading to an eventual denoument....

haha that is exactly what you and some others are hoping for.
Well don't hold your breath because that is definitely not going to happen.
But dream away.

(it is denouement, nice French word)
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@Ter

It seems you don't understand the nature of power. Trump may be insane and incompetent but he certainly understands Rule 1 of remaining in power: "Do not bite the hand which feeds you, instead bite the hand which feeds you less than hands which feed you more"

The hand that feeds less is Israel while the hands that feeds more is the American population, the main base for Trump's power. Who would you appeal to, a population that neither put you in power nor that you control or a population which places you as it's ruler?
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@noir

Actually a large reason for America's push for a Jewish state came from the Democrats not Republicans. Rember that Franklin Theodore Roosevelt is a Democrat and that a majority of Zionists were liberal (also a majority of Zionists weren't even Jewish). It was the conservatives that feverantly opposed it. Its the opposite now however.

I think it changed around the early to mid '00s when interest in the MidEast skyrocketed after 9/11which is interesting since the EU was created in the '70s, not the '00s with many of its original administrators still on the board. And that's not even beginning to talk about liberal news networks whoses origins lie in the turbulent 50s often considered the Golden Age of Zionism and pro-Zionist sentiment.
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Ten Palestinans have been killed in the last week and hundreds have been injured and arrested by Israeli occupying forces. In Gaza, an IDF sniper shot a man in his twenties who had no legs - his legs were blown off during Israeli strikes on Gaza during Operation Ethnic Cleansing 2008 - for the crime of having a Palestinian flag on his lap. He was shot in the head for that crime. IDF soldiers have been attacking children with Down's syndrome and children in crutches too, as well as women and children in general. All videos can be viewed at this page.

Protests continue to take place inside Palestine as well as Oman, Yemen, Washington DC, Brazil, Germany, Jordan, Chile, Australia & NY.

A One-State Solution with Equal Rights is the Only Answer to Trump’s Jerusalem Declaration
Jerusalem was an Arab and Muslim city for close to 1300 years. Like other parts of Palestine, it was a harmonious mosaic. But, though there was always a Christian and Jewish presence — both of people and of monuments — it was predominantly a Muslim city.

This was violently disrupted twice: first in the year 1099, from which for a period of 88 years the city was occupied by the Crusaders, and then again in 1948 when the newly created Jewish State took the city and made Jerusalem its own. When the State of Israel took the western part of the city in 1948, in violation of a United Nations Resolution, it destroyed its Arab and Muslim character and then declared it as the capital city of the Jewish people.

Claiming that Jerusalem — and indeed all of Palestine — belongs to Jews only is not only morally wrong, but also short-sighted and unsustainable. In Jerusalem, as in the rest of historic Palestine, Israelis and Palestinians today, despite living in close proximity to each other, are completely segregated by a system of apartheid,. The two communities live in one state, governed by the same government, but in completely different realities and under different laws resulting from Israel’s apartheid legal system.

If the United States truly cares about democracy, the answer to this is not for Washington to legitimize Israeli claims to exclusive sovereignty but rather to support work towards a democracy where everyone’s rights are respected and guaranteed under the same law.

A modern history of conquest and oppression

On November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly voted to partition Palestine and establish a Jewish state in selected parts of the land, as well as an Arab state. The plan stated clearly that “The international regime for Jerusalem, the eighth division, [is] to be administered by the United Nations Trusteeship Council” and that it should not be part of either state.

But the Zionist leadership ignored this, and the conquest of Jerusalem, as well as other parts of Palestine, went ahead full-speed. This was followed by a brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing — which is recognized as a crime against humanity, according to the UN. The Jerusalem campaign — in which 39 villages were destroyed and eight neighborhoods in and around the city were completely emptied of their Palestinian inhabitants by fully armed Zionist militias that were largely supported by Britain — is described in detail in Ilan Pappe’s book, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine (see p. 194).

Ironically, it wasn’t until December 13, 1949 — more than a year and a half after the state of Israel was established and the majority of Palestinians forced out, but only four days after the United Nations reaffirmed the resolution that Jerusalem should be placed “under a permanent international regime” — that the government of Israel declared that Jerusalem would be the capital city of Israel.

The international community never recognized Israeli claims to the city, and no countries with which Israel has diplomatic relations have embassies in Jerusalem.

Donald Trump’s announcement that the United States recognizes Jerusalem as the capital city of Israel was in fact a legitimization of the illegal occupation and ethnic cleansing — or, specifically, de-Arabizing since, as we see in West Jerusalem, only Jews were allowed to remain and inhabit the city.

In my book, The General’s Son: Journey of an Israeli in Palestine, I tell a story that was told to me by my mother about this period in the city’s history. My mother was born in Jerusalem in 1926, and in 1948, when the Jewish forces had forced the Palestinian population to leave, their now-vacant homes were made available to the incoming Jewish families..

My mother was only 22 years old at the time, and already a young mother. She too was offered a fine looking home in Jerusalem’s Qatamon neighborhood. However, she turned down the offer, saying she refused to take the home of another family who had now become refugees.

“Can you imagine how they must miss their home,” she would say to me as she repeated the story over and over again. She then went on to describe the terrible looting that took place as the Palestinian families had to flee and were given no time to take their belongings with them.

For the Zionist leadership, the ethnic cleansing of Palestine was a major strategic objective. There are many quotes that demonstrate how pleased they were when it was successful and, though exact numbers are not clear, close to one million Palestinians were forced to leave. Israel’s first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion, said the following in reference to Jerusalem while on a visit to the city in February of 1948:

When I come now to Jerusalem, I feel I am in a Jewish (Ivrit) city […] It is true that not all of Jerusalem is Jewish, but it has in it already a huge Jewish bloc: when you enter the city through Lifta and Romema, through Mahaneh Yehuda, King George Street and Mea Shearim – there are no Arabs. One hundred percent Jews […] In many Arab neighbourhoods in the West you do not see even one Arab.” (The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, p. 142)

The unified capital of Israel
It wasn’t until 1967, when Israel completed the conquest of Palestine, that it also completed the conquest of the city of Jerusalem by taking the eastern part of the city. Then once again Israel embarked on a campaign — which still continues in 2017, fifty years later — of ethnic cleansing, destroying neighborhoods in and villages around the city, and building for Jews only.

The Mughrabi or Moroccan neighborhood in the Old City of Jerusalem was one of the first to be bulldozed and its inhabitants forced to leave to make room for a major plaza in front of the Western Wall. In Silwan-Wadi Hilwe, which sits at the foot of the Old City just below the Haram Al-Sharif, or the Noble Sanctuary, there is a Palestinian community of some 50,000 people. Walking through Silwan, one can see that Palestinian homes are being destroyed by archeological excavations that are part of the City of David archaeological park — an Israeli project that wants to prove that the biblical King David once resided there.

At the same time, Jewish settlers — some American, some Israelis — supported by armed Zionist militia and police, are forcing families to leave their homes so that Jews can take them. In August of 2017, Israeli Public Security Minister Gil’ad Erdan — whose office is also in charge of conducting Israel’s fight against the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, or BDS, campaign — visited Silwan and said that his office will do everything possible to ensure the safety of any Jewish family that is willing to move to East Jerusalem.

In 1980 the Israeli Knesset passed the Jerusalem Law, which declared both parts of the city as the unified capital of Israel, arguably hoping that this would settle the issue of the city’s sovereignty once and for all. But the reality is that, as much as Israel tries to pretend that Palestinians have no claim to Jerusalem, it cannot change the fact that Jerusalem is still a holy city for Arabs and Muslims around the world. Any Palestinian child will tell you that Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine.

Each Friday, busloads of Palestinian families from all parts of Palestine, particularly from the towns and villages of 1948, come to Jerusalem to pray at the Al Aqsa mosque. I have seen them for years: young and old, they brave the long hours of travel crossing through militarized checkpoints, the regular harassment by Israeli security forces, and the very real risk of being held back by Israeli police and never making it to the mosque. It is not uncommon for the Israeli police to prevent them from even entering the Old City. Often times, Palestinians will then resort to praying on the sidewalk outside the Old City if they are prevented from entering.

Answering Trump with a demand for democracy and respect
It isn’t hard to see that the reality in Jerusalem is a microcosm of all of Palestine. It is a reality that cannot be sustained and should not be allowed to continue. Trump’s declaration recognizes and, even more destructively, legitimizes systemic racism, ethnic cleansing and violence against an indigenous people.

The answer to that is to demand a respect for the rights of all people, no matter their faith or race. Not one religion, one nation, one sovereignty that is imposed by force, but a democracy with equal rights that respects human rights and human dignity for everyone.

The demand for a democracy with equal rights over all of historic Palestine must be made loud and clear by all people of conscience and by the international community.

Israel must make way for a political reality where the voices of all people are heard and the rights of all people are guaranteed.

This is what has inspired the BDS movement, whose demands include ending the military occupation, granting equal rights, and allowing the Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and their land.

If we can learn anything from the examples set by the non-violent resistance to end apartheid in South Africa through BDS, then supporting a one-state solution is precisely the right answer and the right action with which to confront Donald Trump’s Jerusalem declaration and Israel’s occupation of Palestine.
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Oxymandias wrote:@Ter

It seems you don't understand the nature of power. Trump may be insane and incompetent but he certainly understands Rule 1 of remaining in power: "Do not bite the hand which feeds you, instead bite the hand which feeds you less than hands which feed you more"

The hand that feeds less is Israel while the hands that feeds more is the American population, the main base for Trump's power. Who would you appeal to, a population that neither put you in power nor that you control or a population which places you as it's ruler?


It seems you don't even understand what you are writing.
The American people by a huge majority have no sympathy for the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians (except Muslim Americans, some leftists, and a few wayward Jews)
So Trump was following the majority.
Also note that both the House and the Senate unanimously supported Trump as regards to Israel (the only President who ever stabbed Israel in the back was, surprise surprise, Obama)
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skinster wrote:Obama gave Israel their largest military package ($38 billion).

Yes, true, but that is a multi-year package of which most of the money will stay in the US through military purchases. Israel is good at developing sophisticated military stuff and the US profits from that as well.
skinster wrote: How do you think he stabbed the Israelis in the back?

He let a (for Israel) damaging UN resolution pass by abstaining in the UNSC shortly before he was replaced by the Donald.

skinster wrote:Ten Palestinans have been killed in the last week and hundreds have been injured and arrested by Israeli occupying forces

Yes, and remember that the terrorist entity called Hamas called for the Arabs to come out and create pandemonium. They threw rocks and stuff at the Israeli soldiers and they just shot those hooligans. So the guilty party is Hamas, from that point of view.
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@Oxymandias
And that's not even beginning to talk about liberal news networks whoses origins lie in the turbulent 50s often considered the Golden Age of Zionism and pro-Zionist sentiment.


In the 50's, Eisenhower era, even the American Jews had nothing to do with Israel. It started in the 60's with Kennedy years. Or more accurately with the Holywood film Exodus.
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Ter wrote:He let a (for Israel) damaging UN resolution pass by abstaining in the UNSC shortly before he was replaced by the Donald.


Source?

Yes, and remember that the terrorist entity called Hamas called for the Arabs to come out and create pandemonium. They threw rocks and stuff at the Israeli soldiers and they just shot those hooligans. So the guilty party is Hamas, from that point of view.


I'll allow Norman Finkelstein to explain why the above quoted is hasbara:
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