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Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program budget

In the $600 billion annual Defense Department budgets, the $22 million spent on the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was almost impossible to find.

Which was how the Pentagon wanted it.

For years, the program investigated reports of unidentified flying objects, according to Defense Department officials, interviews with program participants and records obtained by The New York Times. It was run by a military intelligence official, Luis Elizondo, on the fifth floor of the Pentagon’s C Ring, deep within the building’s maze.

The Defense Department has never before acknowledged the existence of the program, which it says it shut down in 2012. But its backers say that, while the Pentagon ended funding for the effort at that time, the program remains in existence. For the past five years, they say, officials with the program have continued to investigate episodes brought to them by service members, while also carrying out their other Defense Department duties.

The shadowy program — parts of it remain classified — began in 2007, and initially it was largely funded at the request of Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who was the Senate majority leader at the time and who has long had an interest in space phenomena. Most of the money went to an aerospace research company run by a billionaire entrepreneur and longtime friend of Mr. Reid’s, Robert Bigelow, who is currently working with NASA to produce expandable craft for humans to use in space.

On CBS’s “60 Minutes” in May, Mr. Bigelow said he was “absolutely convinced” that aliens exist and that U.F.O.s have visited Earth.


Read more at https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/p ... -reid.html

Thoughts?
#14872162
This footage was release by the US Defense Department's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.


From NYT article:

Cmdr. David Fravor and Lt. Cmdr. Jim Slaight were on a routine training mission 100 miles out into the Pacific when the radio in each of their F/A-18F Super Hornets crackled: An operations officer aboard the U.S.S. Princeton, a Navy cruiser, wanted to know if they were carrying weapons.

“Two CATM-9s,” Commander Fravor replied, referring to dummy missiles that could not be fired. He had not been expecting any hostile exchanges off the coast of San Diego that November afternoon in 2004.

...“Well, we’ve got a real-world vector for you,” the radio operator said, according to Commander Fravor...

The Princeton alerted them as they closed in, but when they arrived at “merge plot” with the object — naval aviation parlance for being so close that the Princeton could not tell which were the objects and which were the fighter jets — neither Commander Fravor nor Commander Slaight could see anything at first. There was nothing on their radars, either.

Then, Commander Fravor looked down to the sea. It was calm that day, but the waves were breaking over something that was just below the surface. Whatever it was, it was big enough to cause the sea to churn.

Hovering 50 feet above the churn was an aircraft of some kind — whitish — that was around 40 feet long and oval in shape. The craft was jumping around erratically, staying over the wave disturbance but not moving in any specific direction, Commander Fravor said. The disturbance looked like frothy waves and foam, as if the water were boiling.

Commander Fravor began a circular descent to get a closer look, but as he got nearer the object began ascending toward him. It was almost as if it were coming to meet him halfway, he said.

Commander Fravor abandoned his slow circular descent and headed straight for the object.

But then the object peeled away. “It accelerated like nothing I’ve ever seen,” he said in the interview. He was, he said, “pretty weirded out.”
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I'm sure the military has spent a lot of money on identifying UFOs - not as space alien craft, but really needing to know what is flying around. If it is unidentified, it is a threat.

Which works until you get to the "Harry Reid" part where it becomes funneling tax money to a friend.
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Zagadka wrote:I'm sure the military has spent a lot of money on identifying UFOs - not as space alien craft, but really needing to know what is flying around. If it is unidentified, it is a threat.
Well, if we do have a secret (born classified) space program, we could be looking at experimental crafts.

Which works until you get to the "Harry Reid" part where it becomes funneling tax money to a friend
This isn't about tax money, this about 'soft-disclosure.' Many countries want to declassify UFO files, but America refuses to release the information they have on the phenomena.

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This isn't about tax money, this about 'soft-disclosure.' Many countries want to declassify UFO files, but America refuses to release the information they have on the phenomena.


Why should the US do everyone’s dirty work when it’s of no benefit to them?
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ness31 wrote:Why should the US do everyone’s dirty work when it’s of no benefit to them?
Dirty work? :eh: It's not dirty work, if aliens are visiting earth, it's a cosmological revelation. An extra-terrestrial threat could justify a new space race and weapons program. The public will need a slow information leak or incremental feeding tube because most peoples let culture and social programs run their minds (subconsciously). Folks enjoy signing up for binary banquets, watching binary conflict, talking cave-shop, buying cave trinkets, and throwing poop at each other. Disclosure will produce side-effects, like letting people know they're ding-dongs that believe in fecal-fandom. So much to discuss, but we like tangible things- like The Jerry Springer show- 'Rump tweeted WHAT, sexual allegations WHO, War mongering monkeys WHERE, new polls say, etc.' You're not ready for disclosure.


Lastly, if 'aliens' are controlling 'UFOs,' do you think they're hostile? Why would an interstellar visitor/observer want to go to war with our earth-bound civilization? So many theoretical possibilities, but we're dissecting 'need-to-know' information, after-all.
#14873394
Dirty work? :eh: It's not dirty work, if aliens are visiting earth, it's a cosmological revelation.


The UFO encounters aren’t necessarily always of the third kind. They might just be crafts from other countries who pose national security threats. Maybe the US doesn’t want to open that Pandora’s Box.

I’d be truly curious to know how extraterrestrial visotors really do get around. Do they even need space craft? :) Maybe they’re ‘communicable’. :lol:
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ness31 wrote:The UFO encounters aren’t necessarily always of the third kind. They might just be crafts from other countries who pose national security threats.
We've established that possibility- Well, if we do have a secret (born classified) space program, we could be looking at experimental crafts.

Maybe the US doesn’t want to open that Pandora’s Box.
Not publicly.

I’d be truly curious to know how extraterrestrial visotors really do get around. Do they even need space craft? :) Maybe they’re ‘communicable’. :lol:
Do you really think this topic is a joke? Feel free to explore Ufology. Some researchers think ETs may be inter-dimensional entities.
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RhetoricThug wrote:Do you really think this topic is a joke? Feel free to explore Ufology. Some researchers think ETs may be inter-dimensional entities.


No Sir. Not a joke.

Inter-dimensional makes sense. But would they need a craft? Couldn’t they just visit us in our dreams?
#14873826
"This is the end of the childhood of the human race"
ness31 wrote:No Sir. Not a joke.

Inter-dimensional makes sense. But would they need a craft? Couldn’t they just visit us in our dreams?
Perhaps, one must wonder, what kind of 'frequencies' flow when we dream? What are dreams? Beyond the current news-scape, many people want to know what is going on.

#14873837
I am not sure if any of this will be proven to be true but I am intrigued that so many people who claimed to be abducted by aliens had to undergo rectal examinations.
Why was that ?
What is the alien's fascination with our refuse orifice ?
Don't they shit where they came from ?
Or is there something more sinister going on ?
We want answers !
#14873871
Ter wrote:I am not sure if any of this will be proven to be true but I am intrigued that so many people who claimed to be abducted by aliens had to undergo rectal examinations.
Why was that ?
What is the alien's fascination with our refuse orifice ?
Don't they shit where they came from ?
Or is there something more sinister going on ?
We want answers !



Possibly the aliens are curious as to why humans are so full of shit.



Yet another lead in the search for aliens: 1i/2017 u1 (‘Oumuamua). This is the first object observed with a hyperbolic trajectory and thus must be from interstellar space. It is travelling much faster than the Voyager probes (faster thing we have ever built). There is some speculation that it is artificial due to its shape and the fact it is tumbling. It is exactly what one would expect for a crippled spaceship. The equivalent on Earth would be a shipwreck on the ocean floor.


https://www.wired.com/story/oumuamua-probably-isnt-a-spaceshipbut-it-could-have-passengers/

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'OUMUAMUA PROBABLY ISN'T A SPACESHIP—BUT IT COULD HAVE PASSENGERS


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LAST WEDNESDAY, AT 3:45 pm, scientists from the Breakthrough Listen project trained the Green Bank Telescope in West Virginia on 'Oumuamua—the mysterious, oblong space-rock which last month became the first known object to enter our solar system from elsewhere in the universe—and scanned it for signs of intelligent life.

For six hours, astronomers interrogated the interstellar asteroid. Green Bank swept across four radio bands and billions of individual channels, searching for transmissions as weak as the signal from your cell phone. Signals that could indicate 'Oumuamua is not just a rock but a spacecraft, with aliens—or alien technology—aboard.

By Thursday, astronomers had reported that their initial observations had turned up nothing. (Surprise!) If 'Oumuamua is harboring extraterrestrial stowaways, they're not producing a continuous signal across the frequencies Breakthrough Listen's researchers have monitored thus far. But Listen's scientists may have been onto something: Whether there's life aboard or not, 'Oumuamua kind of has the makings of an interstellar space vehicle.

Today in the journal Nature Astronomy, astronomers report observations that suggest 'Oumuamua is encased in a dry, carbon-rich crust that could have protected a water-ice core from being vaporized as it made a close pass of our sun earlier this year. You can almost think of it as the hull of a spaceship.

Or, if you prefer another analogy: "Basically you have a really nice baked Alaska," says Queen's University astronomer Alan Fitzsimmons, who led the investigation. "A flaming baked Alaska of an object with a rather warm exterior, but with a gooey, icy mixture in the middle."

Now, the researchers can't say definitively that there is ice in 'Oumuamua's middle (let alone extraterrestrial life), but spectral observations performed by Fitzsimmons' team suggest the object could have been icy long, long ago.


Different materials reflect light in different ways. By analyzing the spectrum that an object reflects, astronomers can see how the relative amount of light changes, and search for signatures of certain materials, like metals, rock, and ice.

Fitzsimmons’ team found that 'Oumuamua’s material composition seems to resemble that of objects at the outer edges of our own solar system. Astronomers hypothesize that beyond Jupiter, objects are far enough from the sun to contain a lot of ice—including on their surfaces. Billions of years ago, when the biggest, outer planets were forming, many of those objects were flung outward. Some still orbit our sun at the fringes of our solar system, in a thick bubble of icy debris called the Oort Cloud. Others were probably ejected from our solar system entirely.

If other solar systems formed like ours, it stands to reason that any object flung from such a system would be icy, too. "That's why we think it's more likely to see an interstellar object formed from ice, not rock," Fitzsimmons says. But when ‘Oumuamua passed by our sun, it didn’t behave like an object made of ice.


Oumuamua is the first known object to enter our solar system from elsewhere in the universe. This short video shows the interstellar asteroid moving against a backdrop of stars.ALAN FITZSIMMONS, QUB/ISAAC NEWTON GROUP, LA PALMA
"That was a real surprise," says University of Hawai'i astrobiologist Karen Meech, who has also published findings on 'Oumuamua in recent weeks, but was unaffiliated with Fitzsimmons' investigation. Researchers had assumed that the object would vaporize and emit microscopic particles, like a comet. "But many teams have looked very carefully, and there's just absolutely no dust or gas coming off this thing," Meech says.

To understand why, Fitzsimmons and his team turned to past research. They found that in the 1980s and 1990s, a lot of astronomers investigated what might happen to things like comets when you take them and place them into interstellar space for hundreds of millions, or even billions of years. What they found was that—like a delicious flaming dessert—those objects get baked.

Space is essentially a big radiation field with charged particles zipping all over the place. Astronomers call these cosmic rays. Previous research showed that those cosmic rays desiccate icy objects; the ice dries up, and the material that remains (typically carbon) bonds together to form a crust around the object. How thick that crust is, and how quickly it forms, isn’t totally clear, but Fitzsimmons estimates it would take about a hundred million years to form a crust half a meter thick. That might sound like a long time, but the upper limit for the age of ‘Oumuamua is 10 billion years.

Fitzsimmons' team estimates that outer layer might have reached temperatures as high as 300 degrees Celsius during 'Oumuamua's closest pass of the sun, but that it would have provided enough insulation to prevent ice inside from vaporizing. Which raises the question: Could it have protected life inside the asteroid, perhaps waterborne microbes, from vaporizing as well?

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I mean, technically? Yes. But Meech says that a far greater risk to microbial life would be the same cosmic rays that cooked 'Oumuamua's outside in the first place. Only if something were buried deep inside of the asteroid (say, at a distance of a few meters) would it be shielded from the harsh radiation of space.

"That's if there are any microbes inside, and I'm not saying there are, and I wouldn't suspect that there are," Meech says. Not that she's against searching the interstellar asteroid for extraterrestrial life—microbial or otherwise. Toward the end of our conversation, she refers back to the scientists with the Breakthrough Listen project and their ongoing interrogation of 'Oumuamua with the Green Bank Telescope.

"I was very excited to see that experiment," she says. "You know, it’s a long shot. This object is entirely consistent with being a natural object. But on the flip side, there’s nothing in the data that would allow us to disprove that it’s artificial. And if you don’t take the long shot and do the experiments with the radio, you’ll never know. And the payoff could be, potentially, huge."

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