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Brilliant piece

The Guardian wrote:
“So maybe, just maybe,” declared Nigel Farage dramatically yesterday, “I’m reaching the point of thinking that we should have a second referendum on EU membership.” “We understand more than anything what [the Tories] plan to do,” added his Brexit backer Arron Banks, “unfortunately.”

Oh man … you’ve seen this movie sequel a hundred times. The old gang, back together. A ragtag bunch of misfits having to reassemble for one last job. We open with our former fellowship scattered. Maybe Farage is working in some Chelsea chop shop, grafting halves of stolen vehicles together. (He’s already set this up with that amusingly elitist interview claiming he’s “skint”.)

Anyway, he’s just clocking a speedometer one day when the door is darkened by a familiar face: Arron Banks. They hold each other’s gaze for a long time – dammit, they went through so much together – before Banks tells him why he’s come. There’s a tantalising pause, then Farage gets back to fixing the speedo, muttering gruffly: “Maybe you didn’t hear – I don’t fight no referendums no more.”

Except he does, of course. It’s all he’s ever known. He’d be lost without it – indeed, as the past year has shown, Nigel Farage is absolutely lost. It’s been a long time since the gold lift picture. You can’t dine out for ever on dining out once with Trump.

By way of background, Farage has spent this year putting his shirt on Steve Bannon. (It’s why Bannon always wears two shirts.) He regarded the former White House chief strategist as the genius of the age, and consequently ended up not just backing the Republican Alabama senate candidate and slavery nostalgist Roy Moore, but sticking with his endorsement even when the allegations of underage sexual assault began to mount up. Nigel was hopelessly in thrall to Steve, and yearned to get some kind of American advancement out of it for himself.

And now? Not only has Bannon’s part in Michael Wolff’s book burned bridges with Farage’s beloved Trump, but on Tuesday his meteoric downfall forced him to resign from even Breitbart, the news website of which he was executive chairman. It will be zero coincidence that in the very week Bannon flames out, Farage suddenly pops back up over here, making the most naked of headline grabs.

Quite rightly, this self-interested manoeuvring will be beyond many ordinary Brexiters, to whom Nigel had until now remained an unimpeachable hero. Indeed, Farage’s deceptively sudden call has left them feeling betrayed, with furious leavers deluging the web and the airwaves (including his own LBC show) to denounce his inexplicable weakness. What’s Nigel come back from the deep south as? Cuckleberry Finn?

Alas, this latest development was always in the post. Farage has had more comebacks than Barbra Streisand’s done farewell tours. I’ve had tickets to most of his resignations, and the last one – July 2016, according to my collector’s partwork – was rowed back on even in real time. He started the press conference by saying he was quitting, and ended it saying, “Let’s see where we are in two and a half years’ time.”

Well, this is where we are 18 months on. Few people are more nostalgic than Nigel Farage. He used to get misty-eyed about the early days of Ukip – “Bomber Command ties” … “you look back and think, God, how did we get away with that?!” – and now he gets misty-eyed about the referendum.

I can’t help feeling Nigel would like to somehow recover a single elusive instant from the past and dwell in its perfect stasis for ever. For TS Eliot it was the moment in the rose garden; for Nigel Farage, it was the bit at his referendum night party between retracting his first concession of the night and reconceding the vote a second time. He was smoking cigars in a VIP room sealed off for the Brexit elite, and everything was simultaneously possible and impossible. The here and now is empty in comparison. He cannot bear very much reality.

As mentioned before, there is a lot of the seethingly bitchy “resting” actor about Farage (and in various other wingnut old hams who find themselves currently between jobs – your Katie Hopkinses, your Milos). Don’t get me wrong – Nigel’s been a massive hit at the Brexit conventions. There’s always a big queue for him to sign Breaking Point posters and pose for fan selfies next to the mannequin of the V-signing Bob Geldof. But it’s like there’s something … missing?

Thus he rocked up for his meeting with Michel Barnier this week wearing a look-at-me brown fedora, presumably designed to cast him as the Brussels Howard Hughes. Quick update, then, of people in public life who wear distinctive hats: George Galloway; live autopsy weirdo and plastinator Gunther von Hagens; that absolute scumbag who owns Blackpool; and now Farage. Case closed, I think.

By the third referendum we will be splintering into militias and distilling drinking water from our own urine

Whether he mentioned his forthcoming Referendum II call to Barnier is unclear. But the EU’s chief negotiator has spent the week dealing with various stripes of UK nonsense. On Wednesday, he was formally presented with a hamper full of British products – some of them made by anti-Brexit or Anglo-European firms, but why bother checking? – by the likes of Digby Jones and ex-Ukipper Steven Woolfe.

Steven Woolfe! Perhaps you can send a serious message with a hamper. But the fact that this one was delivered by a man whose chief claim to fame in the EU parliament was being hospitalised after an alleged altercation with another member of his own party said so much more than the Marmite. No surprise that, when asked for a comment on a second referendum, one EU diplomat told the Telegraph’s Brussels correspondent: “Do what the fuck you want but stop dicking around.”

But will we? You’ll note that David Cameron’s retroactively hilarious claim that an EU referendum would “settle the issue for a generation” has now evolved into Nigel Farage’s claim that we need another referendum to “settle the issue for a generation once and for all”. The third referendum – by which point we will be splintering into militias and distilling drinking water from our own urine – will be confidently predicted to “settle the issue for a generation once and for all and forever endov”.

Say what you like about the referendum, you have to admire its spirit. It just refuses to die. It’s the plebiscite equivalent of Glenn Close coming back out of the bath in Fatal Attraction, or Kathy Bates rearing up again in Misery. Eventually, we’re just going to have to shoot it in the chest and watch it slide down the bathroom wall, knowing that it’s still basically damaged our family for ever. Or bring the typewriter definitively down on its skull, knowing that it’s still going to have hobbled us for life.
#14879146
This is as close to the truth as it'll get:

“Maybe you didn’t hear – I don’t fight no referendums no more.”

Except he does, of course. It’s all he’s ever known. He’d be lost without it – indeed, as the past year has shown, Nigel Farage is absolutely lost. It’s been a long time since the gold lift picture. You can’t dine out for ever on dining out once with Trump.

By way of background, Farage has spent this year putting his shirt on Steve Bannon. (It’s why Bannon always wears two shirts.) He regarded the former White House chief strategist as the genius of the age, and consequently ended up not just backing the Republican Alabama senate candidate and slavery nostalgist Roy Moore, but sticking with his endorsement even when the allegations of underage sexual assault began to mount up. Nigel was hopelessly in thrall to Steve, and yearned to get some kind of American advancement out of it for himself.

And now? Not only has Bannon’s part in Michael Wolff’s book burned bridges with Farage’s beloved Trump, but on Tuesday his meteoric downfall forced him to resign from even Breitbart, the news website of which he was executive chairman. It will be zero coincidence that in the very week Bannon flames out, Farage suddenly pops back up over here, making the most naked of headline grabs.


The hangers-on (Farage, Flynn, Bannon, et al.) got their taste of the golden towers with promises of immense riches, fame and power, only to be discarded by the big boys (Murdoch, Mercer, et al.) of the trans-Atlantic jet set after they had done the dirty deed for them.

Now, Farage comes back crawling to feed on the big tits of mother Europe, he so defiled, to try by subterfuge and ruse to wheedle his way back in, to keep on sucking at our expense. What is the biggest block of concrete and what is the deepest trench in the Atlantic we may sink this creep in for good?
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Potemkin wrote:We live in awe-inspiring times. :smokin:

Welcome to The Trump-Brexit Era, the very height of political entertainment!

Season 2 Episode 1: The Book and Farage's Call
Both Trump and Brexit keep struggling as book about the Trump White House comes out and a second referendum on Brexit seems more and more likely. Will Trump survive Russiagate? Will Brexit regain popularity? If you liked Season 1, you'll be nuts about Season 2! :excited:
#14879166
I welcome this move by Farage its a courageous call. Why not have a second referendum, or indeed a third. Maybe then people will start to see the root problem which is the lack of proportional representation. First past the post forces politics into a one dimensional political spectrum and even a binary choice. The issue of immigration doesn't fall neatly into this spectrum. There's only one form of election worse than first past the post and that's directly elected executive presidencies and Mayors.

For decades now we've had a cross ideology Marxist - Corporate alliance on immigration. Proportional representation would allow a left of centre anti immigration party to emerge. It would also allow a genuine anti immigration right of centre party, completely independent of Cuckservatives. lets not forget filth like Boris Johnson who support Turkish EU membership while campaigning for Brexit.
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Beren wrote:Supporting Turkish EU membership while campaigning for Brexit is absolutely logical if somone wants to screw the EU while the UK is leaving it. So if the British want to make any deal with the EU, or even cancel Brexit, the EU should demand BoJo's head to secure he'll never be PM.


Screwing the EU is innate to the British, but the primary motive for pushing for EU membership of Turkey was to consolidate Turkey inside Nato as a means of Anglo imperialism.

Theresa May is unlikely to serve her entire term. The choice will be between Bojo and Corbyn. I think Corbyn will win, but Bojo would be more fun.
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Atlantis wrote:Theresa May is unlikely to serve her entire term. The choice will be between Bojo and Corbyn. I think Corbyn will win, but Bojo would be more fun.

May's government is clearly provisional and will fall when parliament refuses her deal with the EU. I wonder if there will be a referendum and a snap election held simultaneously.
#14879356
Beren wrote:May's government is clearly provisional and will fall when parliament refuses her deal with the EU. I wonder if there will be a referendum and a snap election held simultaneously.


No, the way to do it is to have a new government, which will then call a referendum to let the people decide in the light of any Brexit deal or no deal. That's the way they did it 43 years ago.
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Igor Antunov wrote:There won't be another referendum. There will be a Scottish Independence referendum, and it too is going to pass.


Yeah the first one was enough. Farage is mainly dissatisfied with the stalling, and yes a second vote would speed things up, but the parliament is never going to toss more taxpayer cash at a vote. At least not for a few more years.

I wish they had a better result out of a new federal election instead... But they called it way too early. I would have called it late this year. Sending Brits back to the polls so soon was a fuck up. At least it wasn't a total disaster and they only lost a handful of seats and go it as a minority government.
#14884562
BREXIT will be a success,if ONLY for one single reason-the 'gravy train' to Brussels will finally hit the buffers.

The next challenge is to derail the Westminster gravy train,starting with the abolition of the 'vermin-in-ermine' denizens of the 'House-of- lords'.
#14884606
Brexit is already a success as a great lesson to everyone.
The Guardian wrote:How Britain would vote if the referendum were re-run

Across all respondents, excluding don’t knows, remain leads leave by 51% to 49%.
However, the same ratio of responses was seen in 2016; that is, the sample had a slight remain bias against the result of the referendum. Opinion polls before the referendum also underestimated the leave vote.

The Guardian wrote:Ammon [outgoing German ambassador to London] notes that the UK’s business leaders and the Labour party seem to be moving to a similar stance on staying in the EU customs union, but says he does not detect a sea-change in the British public mood on Brexit, and does not see a way for Europeans to persuade the British to rethink the decision.

Once you jumped off the cliff, there is no way back. I wonder if it's true of America as well.
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Atlantis wrote:Irish reunification looks feasible in the next 5 years. That'll trigger the Scots to have another go at independence.

If Brexit is bad for Britain then Scexit would be far, far worse for Scotland. Scottish nationalist parasites thought they could get Britain to subsidise them, while making a race for the bottom on taxes for the rich. the mood's changed, the English are starting to wake up.

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