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By Rich
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So this is an interesting one and I'm not sure what the correct politically correct view is.

If you doubt that Trump's Jewish lawyer would shell out $130000 out of his own pocket just because he cares about his client, are you guilty of anti-Semitism? Also I'd be interested to know what @Godstud view on this. Should the head of state be protected from these lurid accusations like in Thailand.
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By 4cal
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Hong Wu wrote:I think it's been well argued that the public does indeed have scandal fatigue, particularly if nothing comes of each successive scandal.

I still think Trump is going to get past 50% approval rating and the salt when that happens will be historic.

The Democrats should of course be focused on solving the problems that made them lose purple states, not speaking to their base about Russians. The fact that they are making this error most likely points to them being forced to make the error because some powerful Dems did things they shouldn't and now they are being forced to go all-in on a terrible conspiracy theory at a terrible time for themselves. Sad!


Hillary got more votes than your boy 2 years ago so it's not going to be any sort of "salt" or whatever the heck you're talking about.

Quick...cue the "illegal" voting nonsense....
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By 4cal
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blackjack21 wrote:Well, if the porn star didn't report it on her taxes, or misreported it, I'm sure the IRS will get after her at some point. Anwyay, the payment apparently came from Trump's attorney, not from Trump or the campaign.


Gee and if you're an adult and you believe an Attorney would just decide to give someone $130K for no reason (Trump denies the allegations), you should have your head examined.

Again, quite fertile ground for Mueller and his team to investigate.

blackjack21 wrote:You've caught him not committing a crime. Wow! That's a shocker.


Time will tell.

You either have to believe that:

an attorney had a client being harassed by a 3rd party and took it upon himself to pony up $130,000.00 of his own money to make it go away.

or

a client of an attorney was running for President and had to make a negative story go away and concocted this scheme to make it do just that.

I'm sure the trump fans would believe the former since they have suspended any basis in reality already....The real world knows that Trump just keeps on getting dirtier and dirtier. And even his attorney could no longer play the "it's all fake news" game

The real question of interest to political scientists and their ilk is why people like you would continue to look the other way time and again.
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By colliric
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Or the rich as heck Attorney payed $130000 for long-term prostitution services for himself... Or the payment was made on behalf of another client.

All we know is Trump's Attorney payed $130000 to a prostitute.

Given the words "Attorney" and "Prostitute" are frequently tied together in public scandals with "The attorney payed a large amount of cash for Longterm sex services".... My bet is the usual "Rich Attorney Meets Sexy Prostitute and Buys her a CBD Apartment" is 99% likely to be what happened.

Don't pretend this is somehow "all Trump"... You fucken read the Newspapers everyday as well and have already seen a similar storyline elsewhere this month. Don't lie to me....

It happens so often we are allowed to assume it is the likely outcome of this situation. It is the most common outcome of such scandals. $130000 is enough to buy a CBD apartment in Australia or several year Rental of a CBD Apartment + Living expenses.
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4cal wrote:Gee and if you're an adult and you believe an Attorney would just decide to give someone $130K for no reason (Trump denies the allegations), you should have your head examined.

It doesn't matter what anyone believes here, because there is no prosecutable crime committed and clearly it has nothing to do with Russia collusion.

4cal wrote:Again, quite fertile ground for Mueller and his team to investigate.

He can investigate all he wants. Trump having sex with a pornstar is not a crime. However, both concede they never had sex. The porn star claims Donald Trump offered her $10k to have sex with him in 2006, and claims she turned him down. Trump denies it. I'm no legal genius, but I don't see a prosecutable crime here. If it was a porn thing and in Lake Tahoe, it was probably in Nevada. Prostitution is legal in Nevada, just in case you didn't know that. Either way, if it even happened at all, the allegation is that it occurred 10 years before he ran for president. Exactly what do you think should be done about it?

4cal wrote:a client of an attorney was running for President and had to make a negative story go away and concocted this scheme to make it do just that.

Even if we believe this is the case, a "negative story" is still not a crime and it has nothing to do with Russia, unless you think she was somehow working for Vladimir Putin.

4cal wrote:I'm sure the trump fans would believe the former since they have suspended any basis in reality already....The real world knows that Trump just keeps on getting dirtier and dirtier.

The issue is whether or not what he did was illegal. It's like the pee pee dossier: what difference would it make if Donald Trump rented a hotel room in Moscow where Obama slept and had a bunch of whores pee on the bed? Where do you want to go with that? It's not a prosecutable crime. So for the sake of demurer, assume Trump did this. So what do you propose be done about that? All it would amount to is that Trump is a little weird and spends his money in weird ways. Otherwise, it has no legal meaning whatsoever.

4cal wrote:The real question of interest to political scientists and their ilk is why people like you would continue to look the other way time and again.

I don't look to politicians for moral salvation. I look at the stock ticker and my company's stock is $1 off its highs after a week of correction when the rest of the market hasn't quite recovered yet. Financially, I'm far better off with Trump, although I'll have to pay a bit more in taxes next year. Maybe if the scumbag Democrats can pull off some sort of taxes-are-charity scam, I can take advantage of that too. I'm guessing they won't be able to do much in that regard.

People like Trump because he constantly trolls, tweaks and throttles the establishment. If you haven't figured that out yet, you might be a little slow.

colliric wrote:Or the rich as heck Attorney payed $130000 for long-term prostitution services for himself... Or the payment was made on behalf of another client.

All we know is Trump's Attorney payed $130000 to a prostitute.

What we know is that Trump's detractors are no longer talking about Russia.
By Hindsite
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Ter wrote:I thought the investigation was about the collusion with Russia.
It seems they are now investigating everything about everyone connected to Trump, who farted at the dining table twelve years ago, who did not declare a profit from a sale in 1991, and so on.

Does it also mean they will continue investigating till they find something, anything about anyone, or can they stop at a certain moment and conclude there was no collusion ?

Mueller has already concluded there was no collusion with Russia. I pointed that out a couple months ago. Perhaps it was never really about collusion with Russia, but about getting something on Trump to impeach him for being the Trump of God.
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By 4cal
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blackjack21 wrote:It doesn't matter what anyone believes here, because there is no prosecutable crime committed and clearly it has nothing to do with Russia collusion.

It doesn't have to. Paying hush money is enough to get censure in the very least. A lot depends on who controls Congress. Trump is so toxic and the Repugs are doing such a terrible job, the Dems could very well win one or both Houses.... If that happens, let the investigations begin.

Again, the hush money can be constrewed as being a campaign "expense"....if not reported...bingo; it's a crime. Then there is the IRS problems the Attorney can run into. Keep on pretending it doesn't indict Trump...you lock him up in a cell for a few days and we'll see where his loyalties lay.

blackjack21 wrote:. I'm no legal genius,

You finally told the truth.

blackjack21 wrote: but I don't see a prosecutable crime here. If it was a porn thing and in Lake Tahoe, it was probably in Nevada. Prostitution is legal in Nevada, just in case you didn't know that. Either way, if it even happened at all, the allegation is that it occurred 10 years before he ran for president. Exactly what do you think should be done about it?

Prostitution isn't the issue, the hush money is.

Again, you have to believe one of the following scenarios:

Trump's attorney paid a porn star $130,000 with absolutely no instructions from anyone to get her silence about a crime that didn't take place

or

Trump banged a prostitute a few months after having his 3rd son and engineered this scheme to ensure her silence.

Anyone with two brain cells can figure out what what the more likely scenario is.

blackjack21 wrote:Even if we believe this is the case, a "negative story" is still not a crime and it has nothing to do with Russia, unless you think she was somehow working for Vladimir Putin.

Once more, the investigation into Russia's meddling in the 2016 election is but one of the many scandals Trump has engaged in.

blackjack21 wrote:The issue is whether or not what he did was illegal. It's like the pee pee dossier: what difference would it make if Donald Trump rented a hotel room in Moscow where Obama slept and had a bunch of whores pee on the bed? Where do you want to go with that? It's not a prosecutable crime. So for the sake of demurer, assume Trump did this. So what do you propose be done about that? All it would amount to is that Trump is a little weird and spends his money in weird ways. Otherwise, it has no legal meaning whatsoever.

Comedic.


blackjack21 wrote:I don't look to politicians for moral salvation. I look at the stock ticker and my company's stock is $1 off its highs after a week of correction when the rest of the market hasn't quite recovered yet. Financially, I'm far better off with Trump, although I'll have to pay a bit more in taxes next year. Maybe if the scumbag Democrats can pull off some sort of taxes-are-charity scam, I can take advantage of that too. I'm guessing they won't be able to do much in that regard.

Hmm...someone doesn't know how taxes work.

blackjack21 wrote:People like Trump because he constantly trolls, tweaks and throttles the establishment. If you haven't figured that out yet, you might be a little slow.

No. He validates the worst of humanity. "If a sleezeball like that can be President, there is hope for me". And you see where he has attracted wife beaters, shady attorneys, spokespeople who have no conviction, men who have no principles, and those with who just cannot stomach the loser any longer usually just resign

blackjack21 wrote:What we know is that Trump's detractors are no longer talking about Russia.


Mueller's investigation into Russia's meddling continues unabated. Along with his investigation into the numerous other scandals of the pervert in the White House.
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By 4cal
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colliric wrote:Or the rich as heck Attorney payed $130000 for long-term prostitution services for himself... Or the payment was made on behalf of another client.

All we know is Trump's Attorney payed $130000 to a prostitute.

Given the words "Attorney" and "Prostitute" are frequently tied together in public scandals with "The attorney payed a large amount of cash for Longterm sex services".... My bet is the usual "Rich Attorney Meets Sexy Prostitute and Buys her a CBD Apartment" is 99% likely to be what happened.

Don't pretend this is somehow "all Trump"... You fucken read the Newspapers everyday as well and have already seen a similar storyline elsewhere this month. Don't lie to me....

It happens so often we are allowed to assume it is the likely outcome of this situation. It is the most common outcome of such scandals. $130000 is enough to buy a CBD apartment in Australia or several year Rental of a CBD Apartment + Living expenses.



"I hire the best people." Donald Trump. So on top of the Omarosas and all of the other "best" people he's fired, you have his attorney paying prostitutes for "long term sex" arrangements.

Really, why do you guys continue to support this clown?
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4cal wrote:Paying hush money is enough to get censure in the very least.

Non-disclosure agreements are common. Paying money is consideration for the agreement. It's what makes the agreement binding. This is pretty basic contract law.

4cal wrote:A lot depends on who controls Congress.

Well, that's not saying much, because what you are ultimately saying is that a legal basis for censure or impeachment isn't what's important. What's important is who is making the charge, not who is being charged.

4cal wrote:Trump is so toxic and the Repugs are doing such a terrible job, the Dems could very well win one or both Houses.... If that happens, let the investigations begin.

It's very unlikely. The Republicans controlled both houses of Congress, and while they impeached Clinton, they weren't successful in removing him from office. "Toxic" means nothing.

4cal wrote:Again, the hush money can be constrewed{sic} as being a campaign "expense"....if not reported...bingo; it's a crime.

That is spelled as "construed." The problem is that it wasn't paid by Trump or the campaign. In order for it to be construed as a campaign expense, Trump's attorney has to submit an expense to the campaign and receive reimbursement.

4cal wrote:Then there is the IRS problems the Attorney can run into.

Such as? Anyone can purchase anything they want. There is nothing unlawful about paying consideration on a contract. That's standard offer and acceptance.

4cal wrote:Keep on pretending it doesn't indict Trump...you lock him up in a cell for a few days and we'll see where his loyalties lay.

Indict him for what? You need a crime. You can't just lock someone up without cause, and certainly not the president of the United States.

4cal wrote:You finally told the truth.

Yes, but I have worked on legal compliance expert systems, distilling law into bits and bytes. I've also prosecuted patents. So I do know a little something.

4cal wrote:Prostitution isn't the issue, the hush money is.

I have a non-disclosure agreement too. I get paid not to tell you non-public things about what I do for a living. I'm okay to tell you things that are publicly available, but I can be fired if I tell you the non-public things. Part of my compensation is to not tell you things. So I get paid hush money. What about that makes you think you could prosecute me for that? Do you know part of why I can't tell you some things? Do you know who stipulates that as our customer? Could it be three letter agencies that like to spy on people? I've plainly said that I work on mass storage projects. For example, CERN uses the software I work on. They research things like the Higgs Boson, or God particle as some people call it. Yahoo Flickr uses the software I work on. They store exabytes worth of pictures and video. I'm sure there are people who use our software to stream pornography too. Then, there are governments who use mass storage solutions for a number of different things.

4cal wrote:Trump banged a prostitute a few months after having his 3rd son and engineered this scheme to ensure her silence.

Anyone with two brain cells can figure out what what the more likely scenario is.

Anyone with two brain cells can figure out that there is no prosecutable crime there. Consequently, it is inappropriate to use taxpayer funds to conduct criminal investigations into alleged acts that even if proven would not lead to a criminal conviction. Trying to use taxpayer funds to uncover something that someone might find embarrassing is unlawful. It is called blackmail under color of law.

4cal wrote:Once more, the investigation into Russia's meddling in the 2016 election is but one of the many scandals Trump has engaged in.

"Scandals" are meaningless unless there is a high crime or misdemeanor involved.

4cal wrote:Comedic.

I don't follow. You think it's funny, so that's your angle?

4cal wrote:Hmm...someone doesn't know how taxes work.

Again, I don't follow.

4cal wrote:No. He validates the worst of humanity. "If a sleezeball like that can be President, there is hope for me".

I don't think that's the case. I think they hate the establishment. That's why they chant, "lock her up!" and "drain the swamp" at his rallies.

4cal wrote:And you see where he has attracted wife beaters, shady attorneys, spokespeople who have no conviction, men who have no principles, and those with who just cannot stomach the loser any longer usually just resign

The lack of a complete sentence aside, what are you trying to establish? I've heard these reports about so and so beat his wife. So what? An employer, absent a public morals clause, can't just fire someone because someone else accused them of wrongdoing. Serving the president is an at will employment, so the president can fire anyone who serves at his pleasure any time he wants.

4cal wrote:Mueller's investigation into Russia's meddling continues unabated.

Well, he seems to lack curiosity about how the dossier was funded by Hillary Clinton and that the State Department was feeding information to Steele, which found itself in the dossier, which was submitted to the FBI and then the FISA court, or FISC.

4cal wrote:Along with his investigation into the numerous other scandals of the pervert in the White House.

Being a pervert isn't a crime. Clinton was a pervert, and so was Obama.

4cal wrote:Really, why do you guys continue to support this clown?

To let the establishment know that we think they are the worst of the worst and we don't want them running the United States anymore.
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By colliric
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4cal wrote:"I hire the best people." Donald Trump. So on top of the Omarosas and all of the other "best" people he's fired, you have his attorney paying prostitutes for "long term sex" arrangements.

Really, why do you guys continue to support this clown?


Technically I've supported President Trump since 1984 or thereabouts(maybe a few years later)... That he became the President and is more popular than ever is irrelevant to my support of him just as it is irrelevant to others like Roger Stone. I have always supported Trump's business philosophies and always enjoyed watching him on Television. I admit I am also a big WWE fan, and his contribution to the Professional Wrestling Industry is good and memorable. I enjoyed his political philosophy even prior to his change of career and change of party.

To me he is simply a lifelong corporate hero that has made everyone involved with him a lot of money and created alot of Jobs, offsetting significantly any negative effects.
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By 4cal
#14889166
blackjack21 wrote:It's very unlikely. The Republicans controlled both houses of Congress, and while they impeached Clinton, they weren't successful in removing him from office. "Toxic" means nothing.

Well there was the fact that Clinton didn't obstruct justice as Trump did when he fired Comey.

There was also the wholly repugnant fact that he used Russian hackers to hack his political rivals as Stone proved.

blackjack21 wrote:That is spelled as "construed." The problem is that it wasn't paid by Trump or the campaign. In order for it to be construed as a campaign expense, Trump's attorney has to submit an expense to the campaign and receive reimbursement.

Lord you're ignorant.

blackjack21 wrote:Such as? Anyone can purchase anything they want. There is nothing unlawful about paying consideration on a contract. That's standard offer and acceptance.

Depends on what he says happened to the $130,000 on his taxes


blackjack21 wrote:Indict him for what? You need a crime. You can't just lock someone up without cause, and certainly not the president of the United States.

Public opinion can indict anyone for anything; justified or not. Clearly Trump is scum. Why you guys continue to support him...nobody knows.

blackjack21 wrote:Yes, but I have worked on legal compliance expert systems, distilling law into bits and bytes. I've also prosecuted patents. So I do know a little something.


I have a non-disclosure agreement too. I get paid not to tell you non-public things about what I do for a living. I'm okay to tell you things that are publicly available, but I can be fired if I tell you the non-public things. Part of my compensation is to not tell you things. So I get paid hush money. What about that makes you think you could prosecute me for that? Do you know part of why I can't tell you some things? Do you know who stipulates that as our customer? Could it be three letter agencies that like to spy on people? I've plainly said that I work on mass storage projects. For example, CERN uses the software I work on. They research things like the Higgs Boson, or God particle as some people call it. Yahoo Flickr uses the software I work on. They store exabytes worth of pictures and video. I'm sure there are people who use our software to stream pornography too. Then, there are governments who use mass storage solutions for a number of different things.

And?

blackjack21 wrote:Anyone with two brain cells can figure out that there is no prosecutable crime there. Consequently, it is inappropriate to use taxpayer funds to conduct criminal investigations into alleged acts that even if proven would not lead to a criminal conviction. Trying to use taxpayer funds to uncover something that someone might find embarrassing is unlawful. It is called blackmail under color of law.

Somehow you guys squeezed 6 years out of Ben-Gotcha; about 6 years with Ken Starr....perhaps you should do some research.

blackjack21 wrote:"Scandals" are meaningless unless there is a high crime or misdemeanor involved.

Sure...the pervert in the White House already had fewer popular votes than his competitor....scandals certainly won't help Republicans. You lose control of one of the Houses of Congress and the investigations start.


blackjack21 wrote:I don't follow. You think it's funny, so that's your angle?

I think Trump supporters are worth their weight in comedic gold.

blackjack21 wrote:Again, I don't follow.

I'm not surprised.

blackjack21 wrote:I don't think that's the case. I think they hate the establishment. That's why they chant, "lock her up!" and "drain the swamp" at his rallies.

They do so because they are retarded. On one hand they elected 1/2 of the Swamp they want drained. On the other "lock her up" is about as silly as it gets.

blackjack21 wrote:The lack of a complete sentence aside, what are you trying to establish? I've heard these reports about so and so beat his wife. So what? An employer, absent a public morals clause, can't just fire someone because someone else accused them of wrongdoing. Serving the president is an at will employment, so the president can fire anyone who serves at his pleasure any time he wants.

The fish rots from the head down. Trump is scum and you see who he attracts...scum.

blackjack21 wrote:To let the establishment know that we think they are the worst of the worst and we don't want them running the United States anymore.


Again, you guys hired 1/2 the people in Congress.... And amazingly some guy calls them a few names, you guys then turn around and say, "yeah, Rick Perry has started wearing glasses to make himself look smart"



Apparently it worked... He's now the Secretary of Energy.
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By 4cal
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colliric wrote:Technically I've supported President Trump since 1984 or thereabouts(maybe a few years later)... That he became the President and is more popular than ever is irrelevant to my support of him just as it is irrelevant to others like Roger Stone. I have always supported Trump's business philosophies and always enjoyed watching him on Television. I admit I am also a big WWE fan, and his contribution to the Professional Wrestling Industry is good and memorable. I enjoyed his political philosophy even prior to his change of career and change of party.

To me he is simply a lifelong corporate hero that has made everyone involved with him a lot of money and created alot of Jobs, offsetting significantly any negative effects.


A wrestling fan...that explains everything.
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By colliric
#14889170
4cal wrote:A wrestling fan...that explains everything.


Yes it does, I don't have a pole stuck up my ass....

I think Vince McMahon Jr, Donald Trump, Ray Kroc and Colonel Sanders are the greatest Business entrepreneurs your country ever produced.

And you can add Steve Jobs and Henry Ford to that list too.

Ronald Reagan is the greatest president of the 20th century.....
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By 4cal
#14889183
colliric wrote:Yes it does, I don't have a pole stuck up my ass....

I think Vince McMahon Jr, Donald Trump, Ray Kroc and Colonel Sanders are the greatest Business entrepreneurs your country ever produced.

And you can add Steve Jobs and Henry Ford to that list too.

Ronald Reagan is the greatest president of the 20th century.....


Hate to break it to you, wrestling is fake.
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By colliric
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4cal wrote:Hate to break it to you, wrestling is fake.


Hate to break it to you, WWE/Professional Wrestling is athletic performance art mixed with storyline soap opera.

Technically a "Promoter Permanantly Fixed Sport for entertainment purposes" not a "Fake Sport(a sport where no one gets injured)".

Brock Lesnar has won both the WWE Championship and the UFC Heavyweight Championship, the WWE championship he has won multiple times.... Rhonda Rousey has joined him in the WWE and is already confirmed for a WrestleMania Debut Match most likely for the WWE Women's Championship(which is 100% certain she will "win" soon, though for storyline purposes maybe not in her debut PPV) Getting too old for her body to cope with injuries from Shoot Wrestling (MMA).... Switched to Kayfabe Wrestling instead to continue her successful Wrestling Career.

Hate to break it to you, but both the WWE and UFC are wrestling promotions, one shoot(Real, High risk of Injury, higher risk than other Sports) one kayfabe (Fixed, "Professional", lower risk of Injury, but roughly the same level of risk as other sports. Heck Owen Hart technically died in the ring... That hasn't happened in UFC yet)......
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By 4cal
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colliric wrote:Hate to break it to you, WWE/Professional Wrestling is athletic performance art mixed with storyline soap opera.

Technically a "Promoter Permanantly Fixed Sport for entertainment purposes" not a "Fake Sport(a sport where no one gets injured)".

Brock Lesnar has won both the WWE Championship and the UFC Heavyweight Championship, the WWE championship he has won multiple times.... Rhonda Rousey has joined him in the WWE and is already confirmed for a WrestleMania Debut Match most likely for the WWE Women's Championship(which is 100% certain she will "win" soon, though for storyline purposes maybe not in her debut PPV) Getting too old for her body to cope with injuries from Shoot Wrestling (MMA).... Switched to Kayfabe Wrestling instead to continue her successful Wrestling Career.

Hate to break it to you, but both the WWE and UFC are wrestling promotions, one shoot(Real, High risk of Injury, higher risk than other Sports) one kayfabe (Fixed, "Professional", lower risk of Injury, but roughly the same level of risk as other sports. Heck Owen Hart technically died in the ring... That hasn't happened in UFC yet)......


Ever notice how when you have to explain something that you're ashamed of...there are 4 paragraphs involved? Trump supporters are quite insistent that their boy doesn't lie, he uses "hyperbole"....essentially the same lame assed validation you gave for the fake wrestling...."it's athletic performance art".... There always has to be some sort of rationalization.

News flash....nobody in wrestling history has "won" anything; they were awarded it since it is all pre-planned, fake, and phony...just like Trump.
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By colliric
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Lol.

You obviously have not watched the product at all.

Unfortunately for a wrestler to be awarded(or to Win, the words are interchangeable you know) the top Championship the Promoter has to have succeeded getting the wrestler "over" with the audience in the arena and at home or they will do what fans of any sport will do if they think the quality has gone shit. The fans will abandon the product and the company will die(WCW). They had to have done that through good storytelling, a huge amount of luck, high quality matches, and a "Heel"(villain wrestler) simultaneously being put "over" at the same time.

They don't simply give it to their personal favorites like you implied.

News flash....nobody in wrestling history has been awarded anything; they won it as a prize given by the promoter for good performances


Already pointed out the two words are grammatically interchangeable..... Just rubbing it in.
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4cal wrote:Well there was the fact that Clinton didn't obstruct justice as Trump did when he fired Comey.

Clinton was guilty of a felony and was disbarred. Trump has the power to fire Comey. It's part of his power as president of the United States.

4cal wrote:There was also the wholly repugnant fact that he used Russian hackers to hack his political rivals as Stone proved.

Nobody has proven that. In fact, the DNC will not allow the FBI to examine their server. So we can't be legally certain that it was even hacked. We have no admissible forensic evidence. All we have is hearsay from sources paid by the DNC.

4cal wrote:Lord you're ignorant.

I can spell, and I can make reasonable inferences. Your wild imagination isn't a path to prosecuting Trump for a crime for which there is no evidence and no charge.

4cal wrote:Depends on what he says happened to the $130,000 on his taxes

You don't have to declare everything you purchase. You don't put every bottle of milk you purchase at the store on your taxes. You don't even put a car or house you purchased on your taxes. You'd put the purchase date and amount for a house when you sell it, but not when you buy it.

4cal wrote:Public opinion can indict anyone for anything; justified or not.

Public opinion doesn't matter either. The House can indict him, and the Senate can find him guilty or not guilty. Presently, the votes simply aren't there.

4cal wrote:Why you guys continue to support him...nobody knows.

Obama raised taxes on most people. Trump lowered taxes on most people. This is the first month people have been getting a taste of that, and Trump and the Republicans are going up in the polls. People tend to vote their pocket books.

4cal wrote:And?

Non-disclosure agreements are lawful and have been upheld by the courts since forever. You seem to think that they are illegal. They aren't. Why do you think Bernie Sanders isn't running around stirring up shit about Hillary Clinton cheating in the primaries? Simple answer: he got paid to keep his mouth shut. Hillary Clinton paid reporters to stir up shit about Donald Trump and Russia. So? It's complete bullshit; however, that is not illegal. It may harm the credibility of the press, but it is not illegal. That's why no reporters were charged in the wake of the WikiLeaks scandal even though it was clear that the DNC and the media coordinate everything. What that shows is that the media is not independent of the DNC. They clearly collaborate with each other. However, that is not illegal in a general sense. Maybe advertisers could make a civil case that they've been fooled, but so far I've heard of no such case.

4cal wrote:Somehow you guys squeezed 6 years out of Ben-Gotcha; about 6 years with Ken Starr....perhaps you should do some research.

Benghazi was Congressional oversight. Clinton asked for the appointment of a special counsel.

4cal wrote:Sure...the pervert in the White House already had fewer popular votes than his competitor....scandals certainly won't help Republicans. You lose control of one of the Houses of Congress and the investigations start.

Investigations are already ongoing, and they have come up with no evidence to further Hillary Clinton's assertion that Trump colluded with the Russians.

4cal wrote:I think Trump supporters are worth their weight in comedic gold.

Okay. So laugh all you want. I told you guys Hillary would lose, and you didn't listen then. You've got nothing on Trump. Maybe coming up with a policy position that the electorate agrees with might be a better electoral strategy.

4cal wrote:Again, you guys hired 1/2 the people in Congress.... And amazingly some guy calls them a few names, you guys then turn around and say, "yeah, Rick Perry has started wearing glasses to make himself look smart"

Half the people in Congress would be the entire GOP caucus, which obviously isn't the case. :roll:

4cal wrote:Apparently it worked... He's now the Secretary of Energy.

Perry was the governor of Texas, not a Congressman. So far you've got Jeff Sessions. Who else?

4cal wrote:Hate to break it to you, wrestling is fake.

So is CNN.
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By 4cal
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colliric wrote:Lol.

You obviously have not watched the product at all.

Unfortunately for a wrestler to be awarded(or to Win, the words are interchangeable you know) the top Championship the Promoter has to have succeeded getting the wrestler "over" with the audience in the arena and at home or they will do what fans of any sport will do if they think the quality has gone shit. The fans will abandon the product and the company will die(WCW). They had to have done that through good storytelling, a huge amount of luck, high quality matches, and a "Heel"(villain wrestler) simultaneously being put "over" at the same time.

They don't simply give it to their personal favorites like you implied.



Already pointed out the two words are grammatically interchangeable..... Just rubbing it in.


Used to watch it all the time as a youth. I go back to even before the four horsemen, the Road Warriors, Ken Patera, and Wahoo MacDaniel. Used to watch the WWF when they had Piper’s Pit, Brother Love, etc… Most people grow up. Trump supporters never do so they believe anything…literally anything…they are told to believe. Don’t like what CNN broadcasts? It’s fake news. So there. Don’t like what is being said about you? Say something mean about them and make fun of their appearance. So there.

Winning something through legitimate competition is much different than being awarded the title. How you equate the two would only make sense to Trump.
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blackjack21 wrote:Clinton was guilty of a felony and was disbarred. Trump has the power to fire Comey. It’s part of his power as president of the United States.

You can’t fire the guy who is investigating you when he doesn’t “take it easy” on your boy. Sorry.

blackjack21 wrote:Nobody has proven that. In fact, the DNC will not allow the FBI to examine their server. So we can't be legally certain that it was even hacked. We have no admissible forensic evidence. All we have is hearsay from sources paid by the DNC.

Roger Stone (trump campaign advisor) admitted it.

blackjack21 wrote:You don't have to declare everything you purchase. You don't put every bottle of milk you purchase at the store on your taxes. You don't even put a car or house you purchased on your taxes. You’d put the purchase date and amount for a house when you sell it, but not when you buy it.


Again, fertile Ground for Mueller and his team.


blackjack21 wrote:Public opinion doesn't matter either. The House can indict him, and the Senate can find him guilty or not guilty. Presently, the votes simply aren’t there.

As we head toward election season…… :lol: :lol: :lol:


blackjack21 wrote:Obama raised taxes on most people. Trump lowered taxes on most people. This is the first month people have been getting a taste of that, and Trump and the Republicans are going up in the polls. People tend to vote their pocket books.

Which is why Clinton got more votes than Trump? Oh okay.

blackjack21 wrote:Non-disclosure agreements are lawful and have been upheld by the courts since forever. You seem to think that they are illegal. They aren't. Why do you think Bernie Sanders isn't running around stirring up shit about Hillary Clinton cheating in the primaries? Simple answer: he got paid to keep his mouth shut. Hillary Clinton paid reporters to stir up shit about Donald Trump and Russia. So? It's complete bullshit; however, that is not illegal. It may harm the credibility of the press, but it is not illegal. That's why no reporters were charged in the wake of the WikiLeaks scandal even though it was clear that the DNC and the media coordinate everything. What that shows is that the media is not independent of the DNC. They clearly collaborate with each other. However, that is not illegal in a general sense. Maybe advertisers could make a civil case that they’ve been fooled, but so far I've heard of no such case.

You left out the Deep State, and Darkweb in your conspiracy theory. And don’t forget a Mr. Big. All good conspiracies have a Mr. Big.

blackjack21 wrote:Benghazi was Congressional oversight. Clinton asked for the appointment of a special counsel.

If the Dems get control of the House, they get 6 years investigate too…that is my point.

blackjack21 wrote:Investigations are already ongoing, and they have come up with no evidence to further Hillary Clinton’s assertion that Trump colluded with the Russians.

Just that almost everyone close to Trump had meetings with the Russians who tried to influence our elections….and many lied about it.

blackjack21 wrote:Half the people in Congress would be the entire GOP caucus, which obviously isn’t the case. :roll:

So republicans’ didn’t vote for the GOP members of Congress? Curious…who did then? How’d the supposed “swamp” get there?

blackjack21 wrote:Perry was the governor of Texas, not a Congressman. So far you've got Jeff Sessions. Who else?

As I understand it, the “swamp” is the establishment? State governors are not part of the establishment?

blackjack21 wrote:So is CNN.


Equating CNN with the WWE just goes to illustrate the mental failings of trump supporters.
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