foxdemon wrote:What makes you think the EU inspired those groups? ASEAN has been very successfully until recent Chinese moves to subvert it. Much like Chinese moves underway to subvert EU unity.
The Treaty of Rome predates Asean by 10 years and the Steel and Coal Union predates Asean by 20 years. Even without the Internet, communication between Europe and Asia didn't take 10 years in those days.
"Asean has been very successful" in what?
- Has Asean Freedom of Movement?
- Can every individual from Asean settle and work in any Asean country?
- Has Asean a common currency?
- Has Asean open borders like in Schengen?
- Is there a common Asean law and a common legal jurisdiction?
- Does Asean have a parliament elected democratically in fair and free elections by all Asean citizens?
- Are all Asean members even full democracies?
- Does Asean promote democracy in Asia?
- Does Asean have a charter and court for human rights defending the rights of individuals and minorities? If so, how can genocide of the Rohingya happen as we are speaking?
- Are there a dozen Asian countries in line to join Asean?
- Does Asean have a common agricultural policy?
- Does Asean have a student program like Erasmus?
- Does Asean have research programs like Horizon?
- Does Asean promote disadvantaged regions with subsidies and fiscal transfers?
- Does Asean even have a single market?
- Does Asean have a common patent system?
- Does Asean have free roaming?
- Does Asean have of free cross-border banking services?
- Does Asean have "passports" for banking services?
I'll stop before I hit the character limit for posts. To claim that the commies prevented all that goes to show that you are as ignorant about Asia as you are ignorant about Europe.
But it is those Anglos who have sheltered you from communism and subsidized your economy while the EU formed that you need to worry about, right?
You mean we ought to be grateful to the imperialists for dividing the continent and for forcing hundreds of millions to live behind the iron curtain for decades? Do we also have to be grateful for the empire robbing us blind and destabilizing the whole region? Do we owe you thanks for promoting terror and for flooding us with war refugees?
JohnRawls wrote:In all honesty this statement makes no sense. The Russians are also like "We be first in space!", "We built sputnik!", "We have nukes" etc etc
He means they have the
greatest guns and can fuck with us any way they like. And they are obviously hellbent on keeping it that way since they want us to spend even more money on their arms and prevent us from European military cooperation so they can continue their protection racket.
They are too thick to understand that a protection racket is supposed to protect and create security. If it the source for insecurity and terror, it has outlived its usefulness.
foxdemon wrote:It seems the Chinese are sceptical of UK participation in the CPTPP greater co-prosperity sphere. Are they worried their quarry will escape?
Outside the EU, the UK is of no use to the Chinese who have used Westminster to undermine the EU. The EU already finalized advanced trade agreements with a number of potential CPTPP members and is in the process of negotiating others. Nobody is going to do a deal with the UK until they know what the agreement with the EU will be.
UK may just want to use CPTPP as a bargaining chip
Yeah, like the tail wagging the dog.