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Merchants of Death: America’s Toxic Cult of Violence Turns Deadly

Mass shootings have become routine in the United States and speak to a society that relies on violence to feed the coffers of the merchants of death. Given the profits made by arms manufacturers, the defense industry, gun dealers and the lobbyists who represent them in Congress, it comes as no surprise that the culture of violence cannot be abstracted from either the culture of business or the corruption of politics. Violence runs through US society like an electric current offering instant pleasure from all cultural sources, whether it be the nightly news or a television series that glorifies serial killers.
— Professor Henry A. Giroux, “Gun Culture and the American Nightmare of Violence”, January 13, 2016.

We are caught in a vicious cycle.

With alarming regularity, the nation is being subjected to a spate of violence that terrorizes the public, destabilizes the country’s fragile ecosystem, and gives the government greater justifications to crack down, lock down, and institute even more authoritarian policies for the so-called sake of national security without many objections from the citizenry.

Take the school shooting that took place at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., on Valentine’s Day: 17 people, students and teachers alike, were killed by Nikolas Cruz, a 19-year-old former student armed with a gas mask, smoke grenades, magazines of ammunition, and an AR-15 style semiautomatic rifle.

This shooting, which is being chalked up to mental illness by the 19-year-old assassin, came months after a series of mass shootings in late 2017, one at a church in Texas and the other at an outdoor country music concert in Las Vegas. In both the Texas and Las Vegas attacks, the shooters were dressed like a soldier or militarized police officer and armed with military-style weapons.

As usual following one of these shootings, there is a vocal outcry for enacting more strident gun control measures, more mental health checks, and heightened school security measures.

Also as usual, in the midst of the finger-pointing, no one is pointing a finger at the American police state or the war-drenched, violence-imbued, profit-driven military industrial complex, both of which have made violence America’s calling card.

Ask yourself: Why do these mass shootings keep happening? Who are these shooters modelling themselves after? Where are they finding the inspiration for their weaponry and tactics? Whose stance and techniques are they mirroring?

Mass shootings have taken place at churches, in nightclubs, on college campuses, on military bases, in elementary schools, in government offices, and at concerts. In almost every instance, you can connect the dots back to the military-industrial complex, which continues to dominate, dictate and shape almost every aspect of our lives.

We are a military culture engaged in continuous warfare.

We have been a nation at war for most of our existence.

We are a nation that makes a living from killing through defense contracts, weapons manufacturing and endless wars.

We are being fed a steady diet of violence through our entertainment, news and politics.

All of the military equipment featured in blockbuster movies is provided—at taxpayer expense—in exchange for carefully placed promotional spots.

Back when I was a boy growing up in the 1950s, almost every classic sci-fi movie ended with the heroic American military saving the day, whether it was battle tanks in Invaders from Mars (1953) or military roadblocks in Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956).

What I didn’t know then as a schoolboy was the extent to which the Pentagon was paying to be cast as America’s savior. By the time my own kids were growing up, it was Jerry Bruckheimer’s blockbuster film Top Gun—created with Pentagon assistance and equipment—that boosted civic pride in the military.

Now it’s my grandkids’ turn to be awed and overwhelmed by child-focused military propaganda in the X-Men movies. Same goes for The Avengers and Superman and the Transformers. (Don’t even get me started on the war propaganda churned out by the toymakers.)

Even reality TV shows have gotten in on the gig, with the Pentagon’s entertainment office influencing “American Idol,” “The X-Factor,” “Masterchef,” “Cupcake Wars,” numerous Oprah Winfrey shows, “Ice Road Truckers,” “Battlefield Priests,” “America’s Got Talent,” “Hawaii Five-O,” lots of BBC, History Channel and National Geographic documentaries, “War Dogs,” and “Big Kitchens.” And that’s just a sampling.

It’s estimated that U.S. military intelligence agencies (including the NSA) have influenced over 1,800 movies and TV shows.

And then there are the growing number of video games, a number of which are engineered by or created for the military, which have accustomed players to interactive war play through military simulations and first-person shooter scenarios.

This is how you acclimate a population to war.

This is how you cultivate loyalty to a war machine.

This is how, to borrow from the subtitle to the 1964 film Dr. Strangelove, you teach a nation to “stop worrying and love the bomb.”

As journalist David Sirota writes for Salon:

[C]ollusion between the military and Hollywood – including allowing Pentagon officials to line edit scripts – is once again on the rise, with new television programs and movies slated to celebrate the Navy SEALs…. major Hollywood directors remain more than happy to ideologically slant their films in precisely the pro-war, pro-militarist direction that the Pentagon demands in exchange for taxpayer-subsidized access to military hardware.

Why is the Pentagon (and the CIA and the government at large) so focused on using Hollywood as a propaganda machine?

To those who profit from war, it is as Sirota recognizes:

a ‘product’ to be sold via pop culture products that sanitize war and, in the process, boost recruitment numbers….At a time when more and more Americans are questioning the fundamental tenets of militarism (i.e., budget-busting defense expenditures, never-ending wars/occupations, etc.), military officials are desperate to turn the public opinion tide back in a pro-militarist direction — and they know pop culture is the most effective tool to achieve that goal.

The media, eager to score higher ratings, has been equally complicit in making (real) war more palatable to the public by packaging it as TV friendly.

This is what professor Roger Stahl refers to as the representation of a “clean war”: a war “without victims, without bodies, and without suffering”:

‘Dehumanize destruction’ by extracting all human imagery from target areas … The language used to describe the clean war is as antiseptic as the pictures. Bombings are ‘air strikes.’ A future bombsite is a ‘target of opportunity.’ Unarmed areas are ‘soft targets.’ Civilians are ‘collateral damage.’ Destruction is always ‘surgical.’ By and large, the clean war wiped the humanity of civilians from the screen … Create conditions by which war appears short, abstract, sanitized and even aesthetically beautiful. Minimize any sense of death: of soldiers or civilians.

This is how you sell war to a populace that may have grown weary of endless wars: sanitize the war coverage of anything graphic or discomfiting (present a clean war), gloss over the actual numbers of soldiers and civilians killed (human cost), cast the business of killing humans in a more abstract, palatable fashion (such as a hunt), demonize one’s opponents, and make the weapons of war a source of wonder and delight.

“This obsession with weapons of war has a name: technofetishism,” explains Stahl. “Weapons appear to take on a magical aura. They become centerpieces in a cult of worship.”

“Apart from gazing at the majesty of these bombs, we were also invited to step inside these high-tech machines and take them for a spin,” said Stahl. “Or if we have the means, we can purchase one of the military vehicles on the consumer market. Not only are we invited to fantasize about being in the driver’s seat, we are routinely invited to peer through the crosshairs too. These repeated modes of imaging war cultivate new modes of perception, new relationships to the tools of state violence. In other words,we become accustomed to ‘seeing‘ through the machines of war.”

In order to sell war, you have to feed the public’s appetite for entertainment.

Not satisfied with peddling its war propaganda through Hollywood, reality TV shows and embedded journalists whose reports came across as glorified promotional ads for the military, the Pentagon turned to sports to further advance its agenda, “tying the symbols of sports with the symbols of war.”

The military has been firmly entrenched in the nation’s sports spectacles ever since, having co-opted football, basketball, even NASCAR.

This is how you sustain the nation’s appetite for war.

No wonder entertainment violence is the hottest selling ticket at the box office. As professor Henry Giroux points out:

Popular culture not only trades in violence as entertainment, but also it delivers violence to a society addicted to a pleasure principle steeped in graphic and extreme images of human suffering, mayhem and torture.

No wonder the government continues to whet the nation’s appetite for violence and war through paid propaganda programs (seeded throughout sports entertainment, Hollywood blockbusters and video games)—what Stahl refers to as “militainment“—that glorify the military and serve as recruiting tools for America’s expanding military empire.

No wonder Americans from a very young age are being groomed to enlist as foot soldiers—even virtual ones—in America’s Army (coincidentally, that’s also the name of a first person shooter video game produced by the military). Explorer scouts, for example, are one of the most popular recruiting tools for the military and its civilian counterparts (law enforcement, Border Patrol, and the FBI).

Writing for The Atlantic, a former Explorer scout described the highlight of the program: monthly weekend maneuvers with the National Guard where scouts “got to fire live rounds from M16s, M60 machine guns, and M203 grenade launchers… we would have urban firefights (shooting blanks, of course) in Combat Town, a warren of concrete buildings designed for just that purpose. The exercise always devolved into a free-for-all, with all of us weekend warriors emptying clip after clip of blanks until we couldn’t see past the end of our rifles for all the smoke in the air.”

No wonder the United States is the number one consumer, exporter and perpetrator of violence and violent weapons in the world. Seriously, America spends more money on war than the combined military budgets of China, Russia, the United Kingdom, Japan, France, Saudi Arabia, India, Germany, Italy and Brazil. America polices the globe, with 800 military bases and troops stationed in 160 countries. Moreover, the war hawks have turned the American homeland into a quasi-battlefield with military gear, weapons and tactics. In turn, domestic police forces have become roving extensions of the military—a standing army.

So when you talk about the Florida shooting, keep in mind that you’re not dealing with a single shooter scenario. Rather, you’re dealing with a sophisticated, far-reaching war machine that has woven itself into the very fabric of this nation.

You want to stop the gun violence?

Stop the worship of violence that permeates our culture.

Stop glorifying the military industrial complex with flyovers and salutes during sports spectacles.

Stop acting as if there is anything patriotic about military exercises and occupations that bomb hospitals and schools.

Stop treating guns and war as entertainment fodder in movies, music, video games, toys, amusement parks, reality TV and more.

Stop distributing weapons of war to the local police and turning them into extensions of the military—weapons that have no business being anywhere but on a battlefield.

This breakdown—triggered by polarizing circus politics, media-fed mass hysteria, militarization and militainment (the selling of war and violence as entertainment), a sense of hopelessness and powerlessness in the face of growing corruption, the government’s alienation from its populace, and an economy that has much of the population struggling to get by—is manifesting itself in madness, mayhem and an utter disregard for the very principles and liberties that have kept us out of the clutches of totalitarianism for so long.

Stop falling for the military industrial complex’s psychological war games.

Nikolas Cruz may have pulled the trigger that resulted in the mayhem in Parkland, Fla., but something else is driving the madness.

As Stahl concludes, “War has come to look very much like a video game. As viewers of the TV war, we are treated to endless flyovers. We are immersed in a general spirit of play. We are shown countless computer animations that contribute a sense of virtuality. We play alongside news anchors who watch on their monitors. We sit in front of the crosshairs directing missiles with a sense of interactivity. The destruction, if shown at all, seems unreal, distant. These repeated images foster habitual fantasies of crossing over.”

We’ve got to do more than react in a knee-jerk fashion.

Those who want safety at all costs will clamor for more gun control measures (if not an outright ban on weapons for non-military, non-police personnel), widespread mental health screening of the general population and greater scrutiny of military veterans, more threat assessments and behavioral sensing warnings, more CCTV cameras with facial recognition capabilities, more “See Something, Say Something” programs aimed at turning Americans into snitches and spies, more metal detectors and whole-body imaging devices at soft targets, more roaming squads of militarized police empowered to do random bag searches, more fusion centers to centralize and disseminate information to law enforcement agencies, and more surveillance of what Americans say and do, where they go, what they buy and how they spend their time.

All of these measures play into the government’s hands.

As we have learned the hard way, the phantom promise of safety in exchange for restricted or regulated liberty is a false, misguided doctrine that has no basis in the truth.

What we need is a thoughtful, measured, apolitical response to these shootings and the violence that is plaguing our nation.

As I point out in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, the solution to most problems must start locally, in our homes, in our neighborhoods, and in our communities. We’ve got to de-militarize our police and lower the levels of violence here and abroad, whether it’s violence we export to other countries, violence we glorify in entertainment, or violence we revel in when it’s leveled at our so-called enemies, politically or otherwise.

Our prolonged exposure to the toxic culture of the American police state is deadly.
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It's harder and harder to tell myself to keep fighting and not despair of ever doing anything. :hmm:

I went to a vigil for these kids, and you could feel in the room how much anger and despair there was in the room. It feels like nothing can ever be done, but as one speaker put it "I thought it was the end after newtown, I thought now it would change after sandy hook, I thought finally it would stop after pulse, I thought we will do something after las vegas, I'm telling myself we have to fight after parkland. I tell myself that because we have to, because we can never stop fighting. If we let ourselves give up, that is when we've really lost."

I will steal all your damn guns just you watch. :eh:
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anarchist23 wrote:How do you define an anarchist?
I've said many times on PoFo, every new born child in the US should be given a machine gun and thus more Americans would be shot, maimed or killed. The US is a scab of a nation.


maz wrote:You do seem to be the first to start threads on US shootings. Are you just concern-trolling or are you celebrating the shootings since you believe that Americans should be shooting and killing each other anyways?


I was trolling Rich. lol
And still he didn't define an anarchist. lol
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mikema63 wrote:It's harder and harder to tell myself to keep fighting and not despair of ever doing anything. :hmm:

I went to a vigil for these kids, and you could feel in the room how much anger and despair there was in the room. It feels like nothing can ever be done, but as one speaker put it "I thought it was the end after newtown, I thought now it would change after sandy hook, I thought finally it would stop after pulse, I thought we will do something after las vegas, I'm telling myself we have to fight after parkland. I tell myself that because we have to, because we can never stop fighting. If we let ourselves give up, that is when we've really lost."

I will steal all your damn guns just you watch. :eh:


It will end with armed security at schools.
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Parkland had an armed security guard.

It will end when people can't buy weapons of war more easily than beer. Mass shootings are 100% about people being able to buy weapons designed to kill lots of people quickly.

I hope you drown in your sad right wing tears that you can't cuddle your guns to sleep some day.
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As an outsider to this scene,it appears to me that there is in the last few generations of young people, an inability to accept being put in their place by anyone in 'authority',even when it is fully justifiable.

In other words, young people are bad losers when called out on their behaviour & cannot accept their 'punishment'.

As a result they seek revenge & wrongly perceive themselves to be the 'victim' of injustice by authority.

This whingeing erupts into negative or nihilistic vengeance aimed at everyone,particularly in places associated with the 'punishment'.

The insanity of these situations is writ large through the, 'right-to-bear-arms', which is not a 'right' to use arms against innocent people no matter who they are when carrying out their 'lawful' activities.

The insanity of these massacres is fully matched,as well as equated with the gun-lobby & the American Constitution.

It is the duty of ALL US government administrations to minimise these acts of violence by limiting the context in which the Constitution allows it's citizens to 'bear' arms.

This can be to 'gun clubs', 'shooting galleries', 'licensed hunting' et'c, along with other conditions.

It should not be beyond the wit of politicians in America to address this problem & create a safer society for all citizens of that country.

It will not stop anyone with their hate-filled mindset from attempting such acts,but the 'right' to bear arms is fundamentally wrong when most people choose not to excercise that 'right', the price, of which, is to make them vulnerable.

It's that duty to protect the vulnerable which is absent by accepting that amongst those excercising that 'right', are those prone to abusing it at times with extreme violence.

Given a choice, is it better to accept the right-to-bear-arms, or to abolish it altogether, but using a licensed system to control it within certain parameters as mentioned above?
The law does not give a 'right' NOT to be terrorised by gun toting maniacs, the law is 'reactive',which creates the field for these maniacs to operate with absolute freedom, the 'right' not to be 'terrorised' should also be enshrined in the American Constitution.
In the UK, the fundamental priciple of Law is that, 'anyone can do as they wish with absolute freedom to do so, providing it is within the Law',or prescribed as 'unlawful'.
That stops the abuse of state power by the police(who are NOT above 'the law'),who have to operate at all times within the law,that also stops them 'creating' their own version of the Law on the streets or elsewhere.
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mikema63 wrote:Parkland had an armed security guard.

It will end when people can't buy weapons of war more easily than beer. Mass shootings are 100% about people being able to buy weapons designed to kill lots of people quickly.

I hope you drown in your sad right wing tears that you can't cuddle your guns to sleep some day.


Parkland had a security guard. It was his day off. They also had security fences and locked doors. All were open. He just walked right in.
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mikema63 wrote:Parkland had an armed security guard.

It will end when people can't buy weapons of war more easily than beer. Mass shootings are 100% about people being able to buy weapons designed to kill lots of people quickly.

I hope you dr
own in your sad right wing tears that you can't cuddle your guns to sleep some day.


Bullshit,
And the school resource officer, who is supposed to help protect students, may not have been on school grounds at the time.

The only person trained and armed to fight back against an assailant at Stoneman Douglas is its one school resource officer, a Broward Sheriff’s deputy funded by the city of Parkland. But Maxwell said she doesn’t think he was on campus when the shooting happened.
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mikema63 wrote:Parkland had an armed security guard.

It will end when people can't buy weapons of war more easily than beer. Mass shootings are 100% about people being able to buy weapons designed to kill lots of people quickly.

I hope you drown in your sad right wing tears that you can't cuddle your guns to sleep some day.


Mass shootings account for a fraction of the deaths caused by firearms.

The problem with the mass shootings that occur in schools is the school'ss inability to keep individuals with firearms out of schools.

The most ridiculous incident happened at the beginning of February 2018 when a 12 year old brought a handgun to school and students ended up being shot. The offending student claimed that she merely dropped the gun and it went off.

It wasn't an AR-15 it was a handgun; the kind of firearm used in about 95% of violent crimes in America. She appears to have been Hispanic and probably a DACA so it is no surprise that the media rallied around her to prop up her story of four people being shot because she dropped her gun.

The police and all of the usual anti-2nd amendment media outlets either supported this absurd story or ignored it altogether.

There were no media outlets scrutinizing her social media posts, no parents were interviewed, no comments from the school, no media outlets passed along fake news about the child being a Mexican supremacist, or being part of a supremacist gang, there were ZERO calls for gun control and the story was in and out of the media in two days.

I maintain that the gun control people are disingenuous phones for ignoring the problem of school shootings, which is the inability to keep students and other potential shooters out of schools, and then the problem of handguns, not rifles, which are the kinds of firearms mostly used in gun crimes.

'I didn't mean to': Police reveal 12-year-old girl ACCIDENTALLY shot at classmates and injured five in LA middle school after dropping her backpack which was carrying a loaded gun

Police say a shooting inside a Los Angeles middle school classroom that left four children injured was accidental.

A 12-year-old girl was arrested after gunfire erupted at Salvador Castro Middle School on Thursday morning.

Los Angeles police spokesman Josh Rubenstein says the girl has since been charged with negligent discharge of a firearm on school grounds.

The charge comes after one of the girl's classmates, also 12, revealed he spoke to her moments after the gun went off and said she was sobbing and repeatedly saying: 'I didn't mean it.'

She told him the gun was in her backpack and that it accidentally went off when she dropped the bag.

Another classmate also said the girl didn't mean to hurt anyone, saying she thought it was a toy gun.

The shooting left one teenager critically wounded and three other children injured.
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Heisenberg wrote:While I'm perfectly in favour of sensible gun control measures (background checks, proper training, etc), it's worth pointing out that America has always had easy access to guns, while mass school shootings are a recent phenomenon. That suggests that the guns themselves are not causing it, but rather something deeper.

Of course, this will never get investigated because on the one hand, liberals just want to virtue-signal about guns, and on the other, conservatives just want to virtue-signal about guns.

Instead of always demanding action from the federal level, the people should be demanding changes and accountability at the local and state level to stop these school shootings.
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TL;DR: The majority of murders by firearm are committed by handguns not rifles, and probably the majority of those gun crimes are committed by young black men aged 16-35 or so.

Gun control advocates are phony, and are doing what liberals always do which is to offer a solution to a moral panic and completely ignoring the real issue altogether


On the contrary. My liberal friends want to control assault weapons AND handguns. I am a conservative and I do too. I believe that handguns should be licensed and that concealed carry permits should be issued only to those who need them. I believe that everyone one under 21, who is not a serviceman performing his duty, should be prohibited from possessing a handgun. I believe that there should be a waiting period for buying a handgun that includes the completion of a handgun safety class and background check/fingerprinting. And I am a conservative, lifelong gun owner. And I believe that any legitimate gun owner should have no problem with this. I have been trained, do have a clearance, and am in no hurry to score another gun.

I believe that gun shows should be outlawed or only allow the sale of shotguns and semiautomatic rifles. And then only with the correct registration onsite.

I do not need an assault rifle to defend my home. If I knew that someone with an assault rifle was outside the door on the way in I would not go for my pistols or rifles. I would go for my shotgun. And I would win every time. I utterly reject the notion that the private ownership of assault rifles constrains our government at all. I am allowed to carry a firearm concealed in my state and I do not choose to do it. Why? Because, even though I am a trained soldier (expert marksman with rifle and pistol) and maintain my skills to this day, I am not safer in possession of a firearm than I am without it. Just the opposite I believe. On the very rare occasions when I do carry a firearm I am extraordinarily thoughtful about the decision to do it and the consequences possible. I go to the range sometimes and in route, sometimes, for convenience sake I carry my handgun under my coat. That is about it.

I am about to go to Walmart. There will be fellow geezers there with concealed handguns on their person. They are not criminals. Nevertheless I feel much less safe knowing that these untrained blowhards are there and armed.

Instead of always demanding action from the federal level, the people should be demanding changes and accountability at the local and state level to stop these school shootings.


I agree. But tell that to that president of yours whose first bill signing once he took office was to make it easier for mentally ill people to buy firearms.
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http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/org ... online.pdf

The most recent Harvard law school study that I'm aware of concluded that gun control laws don't reduce murder and suicide rates. They compared not only American regions (where liberal and gun-controlled cities and states have higher crime rates) but also Russia and most of Europe.
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Drlee wrote:I agree. But tell that to that president of yours whose first bill signing once he took office was to make it easier for mentally ill people to buy firearms.

You try to pin it all on Trump, but the Democrat/Obama bill was not well thought out and was repealed because of the “absence of any meaningful due process protections.” The ACLU was against the Obama bill too. Other mental health advocates, such as the National Disability Rights Network and the National Alliance on Mental Illness was for repealing that bill too for various reasons.

In a rule promulgated on December 19, 2016, they determined that “adjudicated as a mental defective” also meant anyone who successfully filed a disability claim for mental health reasons and requested that someone else be appointed to help manage their disability payments.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/no- ... -buy-guns/
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US President Donald Trump has signed an order to ban bump-stock devices..

US President Donald Trump has signed an order to ban bump-stock devices, which were used by a gunman who killed 58 Las Vegas concert-goers last year.
Such devices enable a rifle to shoot hundreds of rounds a minute.
Speaking at the White House, Mr Trump said he had directed the justice department to propose a law to make the accessories illegal.
The gun control debate took on a new urgency after 17 people were killed at a school in Florida last week.
Mourners attend the funeral of Peter Wang, 15, on 20 February 2018 in Coral Springs.
Mourners attended the funeral of Florida victim Peter Wang, 15, on Tuesday
Students and parents affected by the massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School are planning a demonstration in the state capital of Tallahassee on Wednesday.
Some of them arrived on Tuesday in time to see the state legislature reject a proposed ban on assault weapons and large capacity magazines. However it will consider a package of more limited gun restrictions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43135584
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