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By Citizen J
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You gotta love the logic that old lady used. "Those weren't Russians because I don't work with Russians". :lol:
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4cal wrote:Riiiiiiight…Mueller is the one in trouble. That is why the pervert in the White House is screaming he’s innocent like a little bitch overtime he opens his pie hole.

Trump's approval hit 50% among likely voters! Ha ha! That means it's probably higher and people don't want to have the media coming to their house to ask about Russia. Daily Presidential Tracking Poll. The Democrats don't like heterosexuals. :rainbow: That's awesome.

Also, the old geezers are having a tougher time ginning up support as the millennials don't care about geriatric Democrats. Feinstein faces competitive vote for party endorsement at Democratic convention this weekend
That's got to inspire confidence in you. The Democrats can't come up with anyone younger than 84 to be their US Senator for California. Assuming she'd live out her term, she would be 90. Some people just don't know when to quit.
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By 4cal
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blackjack21 wrote:Trump's approval hit 50% among likely voters! Ha ha! That means it's probably higher and people don't want to have the media coming to their house to ask about Russia. Daily Presidential Tracking Poll. The Democrats don't like heterosexuals. :rainbow: That's awesome.

Also, the old geezers are having a tougher time ginning up support as the millennials don't care about geriatric Democrats. Feinstein faces competitive vote for party endorsement at Democratic convention this weekend
That's got to inspire confidence in you. The Democrats can't come up with anyone younger than 84 to be their US Senator for California. Assuming she'd live out her term, she would be 90. Some people just don't know when to quit.


Meanwhile, the investigation into the multiple and ever expanding scandals of the pervert in the white house continue. What will be the next scandal?

Oh did you see where Manafort is facing new charges now? Delicious :D Homeboy is going to flip like an acrobat.

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By jimjam
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blackjack21 wrote:I'm sure you will not be sending the proceeds of your tax cut back to the US Treasury

I didn't even bother to look. Petty cash is just that ..... petty.

blackjack21 wrote:For those working folks that have received bonuses and raises following Trump's tax cut, I'm guessing many of them do not agree with your assessment about Trump.


I agree. Such is the nature of a con. The conned rarely notice nor admit that they have been conned. I seriously doubt that most of them are astute enough to notice that their "tax cuts" expire in a few years while cuts to the ruling class do not. I also doubt that they are astute enough to figure out that a one time "bonus" is just a cheap shot to avoid the long term benefit of a pay increase.

blackjack21 wrote:If they understood that Medicare was about helping the medical cartel--and why we now have out of control health care prices; thanks Lyndon--they probably wouldn't hold Johnson in very high regard.


So, medical expenses are out of control because of LBJ? That cad :lol: . Personally I LOVE medicare. It has been an enormous help to me and maybe, just maybe also to millions of other American peons. I have thanked LBJ over and over for helping me. Your esoteric argument is pretty much irrelevant to the pocket books of millions of those of us who cannot afford gold toilet bowls.

I like your style #21. I bet I could posit that it is a nice blue sunny day today in Florida and you would rebut that it will not last because of Hillary and those worthless "liberals".

PS I tend to agree with your "deep state" observation. One need look no further than the state ordered execution of JFK to see their iron grip on power. However, in Trump's case, I don't agree with the idea of hiring my plumber to do heart surgery because I don't like my doctor.
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Republican Tax Plan Hasn't Led to a Raise or Bonus for Nearly Anyone
Newsweek

Just two percent of U.S. adults say they have received a pay raise, bonus or other financial benefits due to the new tax law signed by President Donald Trump, according to a new poll. 


http://www.newsweek.com/trump-tax-plan-no-bonus-anyone-poll-794262
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jimjam wrote:I like your style #21. I bet I could posit that it is a nice blue sunny day today in Florida and you would rebut that it will not last because of Hillary and those worthless "liberals".

Hillary hasn't been known to have an effect on the weather. However, if Al Gore moved there, I'm sure it would snow every day.
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By Hindsite
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4cal wrote:Meanwhile, the investigation into the multiple and ever expanding scandals of the pervert in the white house continue. What will be the next scandal?

Oh did you see where Manafort is facing new charges now? Delicious :D Homeboy is going to flip like an acrobat.

Everything Manafort is charged with has nothing to do with Trump, since it all occurred before he joined the Trump campaign as a volunteer. So what is he going to flip about?

The real scandal that seems to be emerging has to do with the Democrats collusion to spy on the Trump campaign in an attempt to hurt Trump. Trump is continually being proven right and the Democrat conspiracy theorists are being proven wrong. Praise the Lord.
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By Godstud
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This applies aptly enough to Trump/Trumpeters: Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.

Wait for the investigations to be over, and the charges to be laid, then sit back and weep.
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The problem with any charges Mueller might bring is that Trump didn't elect to play defense. He's been attacking the establishment the entire time, which is the right thing to do in my opinion. Here's how some of it is playing out:

McCain associate takes Fifth on Trump dossier questions
McCain has fooled nobody in his action in furnishing the FBI with Hillary Clinton's MI-6 compiled phony dossier. His surrogate, David Kramer, is now taking the fifth.

A former State Department official and associate of Sen. John McCain has invoked his Fifth Amendment right not to testify in connection with questions from the House Intelligence Committee about the anti-Trump dossier’s Russian sources, according to a law enforcement source.

David J. Kramer, who is a central player in how the unverified Trump dossier made its way to the FBI in late 2016, testified before the committee in December in a closed-door session, indicating he had information about the dossier's sources. A subpoena was issued for mid-January, as first reported by The Washington Examiner.

The law enforcement source confirmed, however, that Kramer did not appear and has exercised his Fifth Amendment rights.

Seems that nobody is interested in going after those evil Republicans all of a sudden... The establishment doesn't seem to get it. The American people don't like them anymore. The anti-American propaganda campaign--the anti-white, anti-male, anti-heterosexual themes have put them at odds with the American people.
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By 4cal
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Now Manafort's deputy and Deputy Campaign Chairman is cooperating with the investigation.
More bad news for the pervert in the White House.

In many (if not most) cases, the prosecution offers a plea deal only if the indicted has something to offer in return. One must recall that, unlike Manafort, this guy was there until the transition. Like most Trumpians, he is an in-federate liar who lied to the investigators earlier this month. No doubt the deal would be off the table if he lies to the investigators once more so when he starts to sing to the investigators..it will be truthful.

The noose is tightening.

Good.
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By Hindsite
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4cal wrote:Now Manafort's deputy and Deputy Campaign Chairman is cooperating with the investigation.
More bad news for the pervert in the White House.

In many (if not most) cases, the prosecution offers a plea deal only if the indicted has something to offer in return. One must recall that, unlike Manafort, this guy was there until the transition. Like most Trumpians, he is an in-federate liar who lied to the investigators earlier this month. No doubt the deal would be off the table if he lies to the investigators once more so when he starts to sing to the investigators..it will be truthful.

The noose is tightening.

But not for Trump, because he did not collude with the Russians.
Praise the Lord.
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By Godstud
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Hindsite wrote:But not for Trump, because he did not collude with the Russians.
Do you honestly think that Trump is going to get off scott-free if his entire administration is found to be just a bunch of criminals? He's the ring-leader, FFS. Reality isn't a big thing with Trumpeteers, is it?
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I think the Mueller tarnishment campaign is failing, Trump approval rating just jumped to 50%. This ongoing Trump/Establishment spat is allowing Trump to frame his anti-establishment election campaign as a long-term policy.
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4cal wrote:Now Manafort's deputy and Deputy Campaign Chairman is cooperating with the investigation.

They've got nothing on Trump. If they're trying to squeeze Manafort to manufacture evidence against Trump, Manafort's words won't be enough. However, Manafort is fighting the charges. So the purpose of the plea bargain with Gates is that they need a witness against Manafort in order to get a conviction. Otherwise, the whole thing looks political. None of Mueller's actions make sense if he were trying to build a case against Trump.

Mueller Is Gaining Steam. Should Trump Worry?
I don't see Mueller's investigation gaining any traction against Trump at all. He seems to be trying to establish a "Russian interference" narrative without acknowledging Hillary Clinton's own indirect collusion with Russians via Christopher Steele. That only makes the whole thing look even more political. There are only a few things that make sense in the foregoing article:

Mr. Manafort also reportedly offered during the campaign to give “private briefings” to Oleg V. Deripaska, a Russian oligarch allied with President Vladimir V. Putin who claimed Mr. Manafort owed him $19 million. Prosecutors are interested in learning how a Republican convention platform plank on Russia’s intervention in Ukraine was watered down.

If that's true, it still doesn't implicate Trump. As far as I know, it is not criminal to provide a briefing to a Russian oligarch. I'm not even sure it is criminal if Manafort put pro-Russian or less anti-Russian positions into the RNC platform if he was being blackmailed by Russians to whom he owed money. It would be embarrassing, but I'm still not seeing the criminal angle. I suppose the RNC could sue him for fraud or something, but it's not like Manafort took money from them. The RNC and DNC are corporations, just like Burger King or Chucks Landscaping, Inc. They are not government entities. Maybe they are trying to get Manafort to finger a Russian oligarch and indict the oligarch. That would be a way out of this mess for Mueller.

Another reason it doesn't make sense to wage a scorched Earth campaign and then charge people with lying is also laid out:

On the other hand, Mr. Trump’s defenders said Mr. Gates’s credibility as a witness may be tainted by the fact that one of the charges he pleaded guilty to was lying to the F.B.I. even as he was negotiating his plea deal.

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, my witness, a known liar convicted of making false statements has the following to say..." That never goes over well with a trial jury.

While Mr. Trump has dismissed the relevance of allegations against Mr. Manafort because they involved business dealings before the campaign, the latest indictment claims that he was scheming to defraud banks while serving as Mr. Trump’s chairman.

Again, this doesn't appear to have anything to do with Trump, other than to try to say he was engaged in criminal activity while working as Trump's campaign chairman. However, the FBI already knew what he was doing. They had an ongoing investigation until Manafort joined the campaign. They halted the investigation while Manafort worked for Trump. When Trump fired Manafort, the investigation resumed. That's why Sonofnewo's theory is that Manfort may have been a mole working for the FBI in order to forestall a prosecution.

Moreover, it remains unclear why he volunteered to work for Mr. Trump’s campaign without pay at a time when he was experiencing significant financial pressure.

So at best, we could say that some Russian oligarch had Manafort by the balls and quit squeezing if Manafort could get into the Trump campaign. Yet, it appears the FBI was doing the same thing. If Manafort testifies that the FBI pressured him, the whole thing blows up.

4cal wrote:More bad news for the pervert in the White House.

Heterosexuality is a great thing.

4cal wrote:In many (if not most) cases, the prosecution offers a plea deal only if the indicted has something to offer in return. One must recall that, unlike Manafort, this guy was there until the transition.

He offers being a witness against Manafort. He was Manafort's deputy, not Trump's deputy.

4cal wrote:Like most Trumpians, he is an in-federate{sic} liar who lied to the investigators earlier this month.

Do you mean "inveterate"?

Godstud wrote:Do you honestly think that Trump is going to get off scott-free if his entire administration is found to be just a bunch of criminals?

Except for Flynn, none of the people being charged were part of the administration.

The silence on Kramer taking the fifth is interesting. Why would a McCain associate take the 5th? Is it because they did something wrong when it came to the Russian dossier? Is it because they are afraid that Mueller will do the same thing to them that they did to Flynn?

Anyway, the slow motion coup d'etat isn't going as well as hoped, it seems.
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By jimjam
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The Atlantic City casinos. The Plaza Hotel. The inability to borrow a thin dime from New York banks. Enter the Russian financiers.

I'm pretty sure I know where this is headed.

And then our nation will be forced to reckon with the question of how so many were so foolishly duped by the grifter and his Republican cabal of goons and cowards.

It will be very ugly.

Trump has made the transition from pathos to bathos. He's still ranting against Hillary Clinton. He's throwing punches in the ring, but his opponent left long ago. Trump poses a clear and present danger to himself, the rest of us and our nation.
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