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#14891836
Godstud wrote::eh: 100 years later those things were obviously going to happen but at the time, it was not. The Gatling gun didn't come around til the 1960s and it was hardly a hand-held piece of kit. It was mobile artillery and not a rapid-fire hand-held weapon. You are quite wrong in your assumption.

Of course you mean the 1860s, right? It was invented in 1861. Gatling's intention was to demonstrate the futility of war. Apparently, he was not able to embarrass and humiliate people the way Drlee hopes to. Once semi-automatic technology was invented, the Gatling gun was deprecated in favor of the Maxim gun. Then it was on to bigger and better things like John Browning's M2.

annatar1914 wrote:What's interesting my friend is the reactionary (and indeed, it's entirely reactionary) response of the Faux-Left to the 2nd Amendment every time these incidents happen, to make calls to disarm the revolutionary potential of the American people. The American Revolution is almost dead, but ironically it is more alive in White Working Class American Patriots, then in the whole Liberal scene anywhere in the Western world.

True. There is really no point in these debates, because criminals don't obey the law and anyone with reasonable skill can use a drill press or if they want to buy a $1500 Ghost Gunner can machine a lower. In California, after this July, you will have to register anything you machine after that. Good luck proving whether someone did it before or after the cutoff. :roll:

Godstud also missed this one: Militia (United States)

Organized militia – consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[9] (Note: the National Guard is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States.)
Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[10]
#14891839
Yes, :roll: I made a typo, and meant 1860s. Thank's for pointing out a typo for me EDITOR. :knife:

I did not miss it, but think it's stupid, and Americans who think guns are protecting them, or their children, are stupid. If you don't like that, then fuck off. I really don't care about people who think their right to a gun trumps someone else's right to life.
#14891852
Irrelevant, again. How many people like Chinese food, go to school, immigrate to the USA, or take drama class, has nothing to do with how many school shootings occur in the US. You're deflecting.
#14891855
You see the idiocy on the right? The previous FEDERAL assault weapons ban stood challenge in the courts and so do all of the states
laws which ban them specifically. And that decision DID NOT just apply to automatic weapons which, oh by the way, are not banned. :roll: It may make Blackjack weep but that is the law.

Sorry.
#14891870
Hindsite wrote:If we ban guns, then the Muslims will use the sword to behead all our children.
Is that okay with You?
:lol: :lol: Fear-mongering by moronic Islamophobes. Are Americans all people who fear everything in the world, or just some?

Christian religion includes stoning and the death penalty. It's far more civilized, right? :lol:
https://stream.org/the-death-penalty-is ... -biblical/

Again, this is irrelevant to the topic at hand, since no one is suggesting the stupid American gun lovers get rid of all their guns, just the ones used in mass shootings, and that are clearly not for personal defense. Also, Islam is not a threat to America. That's a fucking joke perpetrated by idiots and cowards.

Get back on topic. What are Americans going to do with their clearly American problem of school shootings? obviously removing the offending weapon is not an option because of the fearful nature of Americans, but if not that, then what?
#14891871
Suntzu wrote:There are close to 300,000,000 firearms in the U.S. and literally millions of 30 round magazines for the AR-15 platform. Any new law will have no effect other than to drive up sales. I think I read that something on the order of 2% of the gun crimes were committed by "assault weapons".


Well, thanks to the GOP and their NRA benefactors, 2% is a shitload of crime.

Lets say the "literally millions of 30 round magazines" is 100 million. Hell, lets make it 300 million. Whatever. The overwhelming majority of gun owners are textbook citizens in that space; they don't shoot people, threaten to shoot people, etc. More like Ted Nugent than Ted Bundy; right? In other words, you may have 5,000 of them in your closet. I trust that you will never fire a bullet in anger unless angered to the point where appropriate deterrence is required.

So these big numbers that get thrown around are non-starters. In truth, we're probably talking about 10,000 at the most 30 round clips that need to be addressed that are carried by thugs.

And, as all 2nd amendment proponents have been taught to parrot, "Criminals will not follow the law." That is true. However, that fact does not relieve a responsible society from having laws. We have laws against speeding..people still speed. We have laws against murder, people still murder. We have laws against hiring russians to hack computers, we have candidates that hire russians to hack computers. You want to get rid of laws that people violate? Of course not.

What the worry is that Adam Lanza goes crazy and with a simple turn of the knob to his mom's bedroom, he has access to an entire arsenal of weapons. Ms. Lanza was probably a responsible gun owner. Since they obey the law, she would have not had 30 round clips if they were against the law. So that means Adam has more re-loads which equals 6-8 seconds each when he is not firing his weapon. Less bullets means a lesser body count; perhaps.

What puzzles me is that there seems to be no cogent argument against having reduced capacity clips other than laziness. Obviously what we are doing and trying isn't working. Why not try it?
#14891872
4cal wrote:Well, thanks to the GOP and their NRA benefactors, 2% is a shitload of crime.

Lets say the "literally millions of 30 round magazines" is 100 million. Hell, lets make it 300 million. Whatever. The overwhelming majority of gun owners are textbook citizens in that space; they don't shoot people, threaten to shoot people, etc. More like Ted Nugent than Ted Bundy; right? In other words, you may have 5,000 of them in your closet. I trust that you will never fire a bullet in anger unless angered to the point where appropriate deterrence is required.

So these big numbers that get thrown around are non-starters. In truth, we're probably talking about 10,000 at the most 30 round clips that need to be addressed that are carried by thugs.

And, as all 2nd amendment proponents have been taught to parrot, "Criminals will not follow the law." That is true. However, that fact does not relieve a responsible society from having laws. We have laws against speeding..people still speed. We have laws against murder, people still murder. We have laws against hiring russians to hack computers, we have candidates that hire russians to hack computers. You want to get rid of laws that people violate? Of course not.

What the worry is that Adam Lanza goes crazy and with a simple turn of the knob to his mom's bedroom, he has access to an entire arsenal of weapons. Ms. Lanza was probably a responsible gun owner. Since they obey the law, she would have not had 30 round clips if they were against the law. So that means Adam has more re-loads which equals 6-8 seconds each when he is not firing his weapon. Less bullets means a lesser body count; perhaps.

What puzzles me is that there seems to be no cogent argument against having reduced capacity clips other than laziness. Obviously what we are doing and trying isn't working. Why not try it?


If it takes you more than 2 seconds to do a magazine change you are spastic. Adam Lanza could have taken twice as long and would have made no difference.
#14891874
Godstud wrote::Islam is not a threat to America. That's a fucking joke perpetrated by idiots and cowards.

There were five major Patriarchs of the Roman Empire: Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem.

By 661, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem diminished by their permanent conquest by the Islamic Arabs. after hundreds of years of ongoing battles and unrest, Constantinople finally fell to the Ottomans muslims after a two-month siege on 29 May 1453.

Thus Rome was the fifth and the last surviving classical civilisation. if it had fallen to islam too, we all would be muslim or living under islam by now.

These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad.

120 million Africans
For every slave captured many others died. for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march. Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, it is estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.

60 million Christians
The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million . A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad.

80 million Hindus
Estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.”

10 million Buddhists
Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam) everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India. The total is roughly 10 million.

This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad.



Godstud wrote:What are Americans going to do with their clearly American problem of school shootings? obviously removing the offending weapon is not an option because of the fearful nature of Americans, but if not that, then what?

Americans are going to have to protect government schools like they do the White House, and other government buildings.
#14891875
The world is not the same as it was hundreds of years ago, so your comparisons are childish, at best.

Hindsite wrote:This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad.
Do you have any real sources for this, or are you just talking out of your ass?

Hindsite wrote:Americans are going to have to protect government schools like they do the White House, and other government buildings.
And that's simply illogical, when banning the offending firearms would be the logical course of action. Are schools going to be treated like internment camps just so some twats can keep their fancy shooty guns?
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#14891876
If it takes you more than 2 seconds to do a magazine change you are spastic. Adam Lanza could have taken twice as long and would have made no difference.


You can't change a magazine in an M-16 in two seconds unless you have it in your hand and you are not aiming at anyone. Get a grip.
#14891878
Suntzu wrote:If it takes you more than 2 seconds to do a magazine change you are spastic. Adam Lanza could have taken twice as long and would have made no difference.


Okay, how long does it take? Also add in the time to break off your attack, do the change, reacquire your target.... Also during that time, the attacker may be attacked, having bullets and or other things coming at him. Meanwhile, if you're after two people, you're focusing on one of them and the other one has whatever time you've calculated plus the time you're spending with Subject A to get away.

As for Adam Lanza, please source your statement. If you can't...well it's just your opinion which is worthless.
#14891881
Drlee wrote:You can't change a magazine in an M-16 in two seconds unless you have it in your hand and you are not aiming at anyone. Get a grip.


I don't mind when someone tries to correct me on something but they should be correct. I'm sure there are people who can do it VERY QUICKLY but they are probably not young and doing it during a high stress period under heavy task saturation.
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