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One Degree wrote:The last step in convincing yourself you are the most important thing in the universe is to kill the God of others.
You are now omnipotent. Whoopee.
Pants-of-dog wrote:No, I am specifically discussing omniscience, not providence
Pants-of-dog wrote:You spend a lot of time trying to make other people look awful.
One Degree wrote:I know it appears that way to others, but it is not my intent. I am just me expressing views with total disregard of individuals except when they make childish attacks. I am not immune to pettiness, but 99% of my posts have no individuals in mind. Just ideas.
Pants-of-dog wrote:People do not believe in god because of compelling rational arguments.
They do so mostly because their parents raised them that way.
Sivad wrote:People believe for many reasons, rational, psychological, cultural, evolutionary, there's no one reason or primary reason.
Besoeker wrote:So not really rational - at least not what most people would consider rational.
Sivad wrote:It goes both ways, most atheists, especially strong atheists, couldn't mount a decent argument to save their lives. The New Atheists like Dawkins and Hitchens are just godawful at atheism, and most of the physicists like Hawking and Krauss couldn't philosophize their way out of a paper bag.
Sivad wrote:I've read the Dune series and if you'll remember it was the tyrant's act of imposing his golden path on the human race that determined the future, not his prescience. The golden path was an intervention in history, that's the definition of providence.
Pants-of-dog wrote:The Tyrant worm was actually saving humanity from a pre-determined future. That is the Golden Path. It was the Bene Gesserit who accidentally doomed humanity by bringing about the Kwisatz Haderach, who imposed a pre-determined future on humanity through prescience.
Besoeker wrote:Why are you avoiding a perfectly civil question?
Sivad wrote:I'm not avoiding the question, I'm just not looking for another debate that's stuck on stupid right now.
Besoeker wrote: dismissing any informed views.
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