Steve_American wrote:Good morning everyone [it's morning for me here].
I see that nobody replied to my post that the definition of Multiculturalism provided is too broad to be useful in the discussion.
1] To include preserving cultural identity in with preserving your culture just muddies the water.
I have no idea what this means.
2] And assuming that the nation is still unified after a million new residents have been allowed in is just stupid. [How many of us have watched shows like "Law and Order" and seen the lawyer object saying "he is assuming facts that are not in evidence"? Where in this thread is the evidence that European nations are now still unified enough to make multiculturalism work?]
The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
If you are claiming that European countries are not unified enough to make multiculturalism work, it is up,to you to provide evidence to support that claim.
3] Several people here stated that multiculturalism *requires* that all the cultures included be close enough to each other for it to work.
I understand why people think this, but I am not sure it is true. The Irish and the French are culturally close to the English, and they were violent enemies until very recently.
You should ask these people for evidence of this.
4] And yet nobody here has ever asserted that western culture (aka European culture) and Islamic culture are close enough to each other for it to work.
Please note that there is no single European culture, just as there is no single Islamic culture.
I bet many European cultures share :any similarities with many Muslim cultures.
5] If #3 is assumed to be true, then the key next question to discuss is "Are European and Islamic cultures close enough to each other for them to be able to form a unified nation". Yet nobody wants to have this discussion. I'm going to guess it is because they realize that it will come down to what different people accept as self-evident facts. And, that disagreeing on the facts will result in accusations of racism, bigotry, and white supremacy. This discussion will not result in a reasoned argument on the evidence of how the different cultures really think, i.e. just what are the elements of the cultures that make them different.
Since that whole conversation would rest on the incorrect assumption that there is a single European culture and a single Islamic culture, the conversation would be pointless.
A note to the lurkers and moderators ---
A person who has been at a given forum for a long time can easily call someone a liar and/or a white supremacist while avoiding saying it directly in those exact words. We all can read between the lines when such charges are being made.
In a thread, I said in 2 places in that thread that I am a Progressive American and then in that same thread someone said I was a trolling right wing extremist. That seems like calling me a lair. And yes I have not gone back and reread the thread to get his exact words. That is how I read it at the time.
A note to those who refuse to tolerate racism, etc. ---
It seems to me that you really need to rethink your position at least as it pertains to people you interact with on an internet forum site dedicated to reasoned discussions. Your culture says you must not tolerate racism, etc. Fine. I get that as it relates to real life. And I get it that real life does include things you see on mass media. But, how many people are you protecting by your shotgun attacks on people you disagree with here on this site? Why can't you assume that the lurkers are smart enough to see racism when you point it out politely. Why do you have to go all "I will not tolerate that kind of drivel in any place in my life"?
. . Why can't you see that other people can disagree with you on a few 'facts' without being evil? You demand that all the people who live in Europe tolerate Islamic culture being brought into their nation and into their city. Why can't you tolerate a little disagreement on the 'facts' so that those 'facts' can be discussed here in this small site?
No one is censoring you or refusing to discuss anything with you. No one is calling you a racist.
You are free to discuss your “alternative facts”, like the incorrect claim about no go zones. However, you must also expect people to disagree with those facts or ask you to show those facts are true using evidence.