- 15 Jun 2018 14:11
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Describing 'evil' things doesn't mean that you don't think it is. "brutal military occupation, daily violence and humiliation" seem pretty evil to me. But, like I said, just slogans and yelling. No capability to examine that this viciousness doesn't occur in a vacuum nor is it because of some "evil tendencies" that you apply to Israelis.
If people really cared about the Palestinians, they'd actually do something instead of virtue signaling.
You really are the greatest of slogan machines. Please explain how this happened and what absolves Palestinians and their Arabs brethren from their genocidal intentions against Jews who are returning to their homeland? It takes two to tango. The Palestinian absolved any rights to the land when they decided that ousting the other local population from their midst was the best option.
What caused this conflict was intransigence, conflicting interests, failing empires and rising nationalism around the world. I mean, simplyfying this issue into goodies vs. baddies is certainly a way to look at it but in no way educated or wise.
"nope, nope, nope". Like I said, goodies vs. baddies - like an 80's hollywood movie.
Yes, you dehumanize people based on the institution. Why are people worthy of dehumanization? We are all people, we make mistakes. We are not perfect. Why do Israeli soldiers deserve dehumanization but Palestinian rioters and murderers are just misunderstood and oppressed?
Sounds bonkers.
Simple facts for a simple mind. You frame this in such a naive way where the "occupier and oppressed" are absolved of any single responsibility applied to a decent and civilized society.
Let's frame this differently: Every time a Palestinian gets shot, it's their fault. It actually is. They know when the IDF won't and when they will shoot. They completely know the rules of engagement of the IDF. Actually, knowing that the Palestinians deserve all the oppression and occupation they have received. Every single Palestinian that died on the 14th of May this year deserved to die. They placed themselves in a situation where death is a possibility and provoked a professional army to shoot with threats and actual attempts to breach the border to MASSACRE innocent people, Israelis 200 meters across the border. Every single shot fired that day by the IDF was completely legitimate defense against a antisemitic murderous riot.
This is also true: Nobody in their right mind wants to kill anyone, especially some conscripted soldier, but sometimes you have no choice. Israelis have no choice. Any person in their right mind would shoot at the Palestinians who were rioting that day.
But hey, when you only choose to look at the actions of one side, yep, that's where the problems arise -> dehumanization -> acceptable deaths.
I know. We are the only one's who shed a tear for our enemies and their stupidity. It is important to respect the enemy.
I'm just the mirror you refuse to look into.
1. I'm not trying to shut you up
2. I'm just pointing out how ridiculous you are. (Post all you want. The internet is free.)
3. The Palestinian cause is a worthy cause but their supporters make it look like a bunch of whiny brats.
This equation won't make your cause receive any support by people like me. I mean, I'm a total "ally" but not with people who can't articulate a correct argument.
Maybe I'm just disappointed that while I would enjoy a good conversation, all you are is a twitter bot and slogan machine.
"Back on the actual topic" while again it's just a thread about you and getting attention.
This is what I was saying earlier - you like to be a meme posting machine but there is no substance in your posts. If I want to debate on twitter with I can go there.
Now, let's get back on topic.
The IDF used exemplary tactical prowess to stop a murderous force from breaching a border fence while also minimizing civilian casualties to the best of its abilities. Kudos to the snipers who managed to do their job in such difficult conditions - thousands of protesters among them actually armed and dangerous inviduals - constanst smoke screens to disrupt vision. Amazing feat. It's difficult to describe what sort of chaotic event a protest like this is, so in that case it was handled quite well. 60/30,000 or what was the number? People like to yell massacre but even that statistic alone counters that argument because
massacre is defined as
"an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of many people."
50/60 (or so) were legitimate targets as they were recognized as hostiles quite clearly. From a human point of view, such a statistic is impressive and extremely humane of the IDF. If it was up to skinster, she'd probably just mow everyone down because that is the only warfare she might be aware of?
On the other hand, Israel really needs to address this issue somehow. Unfortunately it doesn't seem there is much to be done when Hamas is in charge. I guess a more pragmatic approach would be the wiser one in the end although it empowers Hamas. Hamas might not annoy the worst types, but it's the equivalent of a Palestinian Nazi party and should get no sympathy or support.
skinster wrote:I don't recall saying Israel is evil but do complain about it's viciousness towards the natives in Palestine; it's brutal military occupation that includes daily violence and humiliation, settler-colonialism and it's systematic racism/apartheid.
Describing 'evil' things doesn't mean that you don't think it is. "brutal military occupation, daily violence and humiliation" seem pretty evil to me. But, like I said, just slogans and yelling. No capability to examine that this viciousness doesn't occur in a vacuum nor is it because of some "evil tendencies" that you apply to Israelis.
Lots of people care about Palestinians. That's why they're always in the news and all over social media. BDS is a gift that keeps on giving. You mad, but you have to be to come to the defence of a racist and violent state, like Israel.
If people really cared about the Palestinians, they'd actually do something instead of virtue signaling.
Nope, there is no both are at fault. zionist ethnic cleansing and dispossession of Palestinian homes and land is what caused this so-called conflict, and Israel maintains its incremental genocide of the Palestinian people to this day, along with stealing what was meant to be a Palestinian state.
You really are the greatest of slogan machines. Please explain how this happened and what absolves Palestinians and their Arabs brethren from their genocidal intentions against Jews who are returning to their homeland? It takes two to tango. The Palestinian absolved any rights to the land when they decided that ousting the other local population from their midst was the best option.
What caused this conflict was intransigence, conflicting interests, failing empires and rising nationalism around the world. I mean, simplyfying this issue into goodies vs. baddies is certainly a way to look at it but in no way educated or wise.
"nope, nope, nope". Like I said, goodies vs. baddies - like an 80's hollywood movie.
The IDF are worthy of dehumanization and as Oxy once said, they are (also) retarded...but I don't hate all Israelis or anything like that, ITT there are posts by me of leftist Israelis protesting the most recent Gaza massacre (the OP). I have Israeli frands in earl too.
Yes, you dehumanize people based on the institution. Why are people worthy of dehumanization? We are all people, we make mistakes. We are not perfect. Why do Israeli soldiers deserve dehumanization but Palestinian rioters and murderers are just misunderstood and oppressed?
Sounds bonkers.
The simple facts are that Israelis are the occupiers and oppressors in this conflict, controlling and killing regularly an entire people. Yes, Israelis are the bad guys for doing this and being okay with this and Israel is increasingly diving towards pariah state status around the world, and nothing is going to change that, it is only going to increase because Israel continues very casually, its violence and killing of Palestinians and this thread is about Israeli snipers murdering over 100 Palestinians from a distance, maybe you could comment on that instead of living in fantasy land.
Simple facts for a simple mind. You frame this in such a naive way where the "occupier and oppressed" are absolved of any single responsibility applied to a decent and civilized society.
Let's frame this differently: Every time a Palestinian gets shot, it's their fault. It actually is. They know when the IDF won't and when they will shoot. They completely know the rules of engagement of the IDF. Actually, knowing that the Palestinians deserve all the oppression and occupation they have received. Every single Palestinian that died on the 14th of May this year deserved to die. They placed themselves in a situation where death is a possibility and provoked a professional army to shoot with threats and actual attempts to breach the border to MASSACRE innocent people, Israelis 200 meters across the border. Every single shot fired that day by the IDF was completely legitimate defense against a antisemitic murderous riot.
This is also true: Nobody in their right mind wants to kill anyone, especially some conscripted soldier, but sometimes you have no choice. Israelis have no choice. Any person in their right mind would shoot at the Palestinians who were rioting that day.
But hey, when you only choose to look at the actions of one side, yep, that's where the problems arise -> dehumanization -> acceptable deaths.
zionist tears are so delicious
I know. We are the only one's who shed a tear for our enemies and their stupidity. It is important to respect the enemy.
and lol also at complaining about my posts after the whinefest you posted.
I'm just the mirror you refuse to look into.
Just so you and others here who try to get me to shut up know, I'm never going to stop posting about Palestine until she is free. Deal with it and grow up yerself. And next time you want to discuss me, maybe try quoting the thing I posted that caused your triggering.
1. I'm not trying to shut you up
2. I'm just pointing out how ridiculous you are. (Post all you want. The internet is free.)
3. The Palestinian cause is a worthy cause but their supporters make it look like a bunch of whiny brats.
This equation won't make your cause receive any support by people like me. I mean, I'm a total "ally" but not with people who can't articulate a correct argument.
Maybe I'm just disappointed that while I would enjoy a good conversation, all you are is a twitter bot and slogan machine.
Back on the actual topic because jeez even I get tired of talking about myself ....so about that propaganda:
"Back on the actual topic" while again it's just a thread about you and getting attention.
This is what I was saying earlier - you like to be a meme posting machine but there is no substance in your posts. If I want to debate on twitter with I can go there.
Now, let's get back on topic.
The IDF used exemplary tactical prowess to stop a murderous force from breaching a border fence while also minimizing civilian casualties to the best of its abilities. Kudos to the snipers who managed to do their job in such difficult conditions - thousands of protesters among them actually armed and dangerous inviduals - constanst smoke screens to disrupt vision. Amazing feat. It's difficult to describe what sort of chaotic event a protest like this is, so in that case it was handled quite well. 60/30,000 or what was the number? People like to yell massacre but even that statistic alone counters that argument because
massacre is defined as
"an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of many people."
50/60 (or so) were legitimate targets as they were recognized as hostiles quite clearly. From a human point of view, such a statistic is impressive and extremely humane of the IDF. If it was up to skinster, she'd probably just mow everyone down because that is the only warfare she might be aware of?
On the other hand, Israel really needs to address this issue somehow. Unfortunately it doesn't seem there is much to be done when Hamas is in charge. I guess a more pragmatic approach would be the wiser one in the end although it empowers Hamas. Hamas might not annoy the worst types, but it's the equivalent of a Palestinian Nazi party and should get no sympathy or support.
It's good to be the king