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By Beren
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There's a simple reason for the current account deficit. America saves very little, the rest of the world saves a lot. The savings from the rest of the world flow into the US, equalizing returns, appreciating the dollar, making American exports less competitive. Consequently the cure is obvious too. Save more, spend less or reduce capital inflow and demand for dollars by other means (which will lead to higher interest rates).

All of which has a lot to do with America's and the dollar's exceptional (or rather central "superpower") status in the world. China has been interested in a huge trade surplus against the US, for example, because that was the only way for them to get huge reserves denominated in USD, the most-traded currency in the world, and it was rather easy for the Americans to finance that trade deficit and enjoy all the benefits. Most of their trade deficit problems will vanish when China replaces them as the centre of the world economy and global trade and the USD ceases to be the dominant currency.
By Atlantis
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Beren wrote:Most of their trade deficit problems will vanish when China replaces them as the centre of the world economy and global trade and the USD ceases to be the dominant currency.


I really don't get why people are so keen on having the Chinese replace the Yanks. The Euro is today the 2nd reserve currency representing almost 25%, while the Renminbi is insignificant as an international currency and isn't even freely floated. Unless Europe pulls together it'll be dominated by either the US or China. With Trump at the White House nobody can have any illusions about how that is going to work out. If anything, it's going to be worse with a pax-Sinensis.

There ought to be incentives for getting others EU members to join the Euro and replace the Petro-Dollar with a Petro-Euro. There would be a lot of hostility from the US, but we get that anyways. At this point, it is more important to defend European interests than to placard the US bully.

As to American consumerism, I don't thing anybody can do anything about that. There may be the possibility that the Chinese pull funds out off US treasuries if the trade war deteriorates. I guess that would make the dollar cheaper.
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By Beren
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Atlantis wrote:I really don't get why people are so keen on having the Chinese replace the Yanks.

Because the Chinese will replace the Yanks, not Europeans.

Atlantis wrote:The Euro is today the 2nd reserve currency representing almost 25%, while the Renminbi is insignificant as an international currency and isn't even freely floated.

That's how it is at the moment, but it will change, of course. The renminbi won't replace the dollar immediately, there will be a transitive period after the dethronisation of the dollar, but the Chinese currency will prevail sooner or later with China itself.
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By Potemkin
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Beren wrote:dethronisation

:eh:

Dethronement, Beren. The word is 'dethronement'.
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By Albert
#14930454
Trump’s Trade War Against China Is Officially Underway

WASHINGTON — A trade war between the world’s two largest economies officially began on Friday morning as the Trump administration followed through with its threat to impose tariffs on $34 billion worth of Chinese products, a significant escalation of a fight that could hurt companies and consumers in both the United States and China.

The penalties, which went into effect at 12:01 a.m., will undoubtedly prompt quick retaliation by Beijing. Chinese officials immediately said they would be forced to retaliate, but their statement did not provide specifics. Previously, the Chinese government has said it will tax an equal amount of American exports, including pork, soybeans and automobiles.

The escalation of the trade war from threat to reality is expected to ripple through global supply chains, raise costs for businesses and consumers and roil global stock markets, which have been volatile in anticipation of a prolonged trade fight between the United States and almost everyone else.

On Thursday, President Trump showed no signs of backing down from his fight, saying aboard Air Force One that the first wave of tariffs on $34 billion in goods would quickly be followed by levies on another $16 billion of Chinese products. And Mr. Trump continued to threaten Beijing with escalating tariffs on as much as $450 billion worth of Chinese goods.

For now, it is unclear how — or whether — the trade war might conclude. Mr. Trump’s threats have been met with vows from China to retaliate, a stalemate that will require one side to blink first in order to avoid a protracted fight. With no official talks scheduled between the two countries, and disagreements within the Trump administration about how best to proceed, a quick resolution seems increasingly unlikely.

“At the moment, I don’t see how this ends,” said Edward Alden, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. “This is very much in the president’s hands because he’s got advisers that seem divided, some substantively, some tactically. I just don’t think we’ve had any clear signs of the resolution he wants.”

The Trump administration is waging trade wars on multiple fronts as it imposes tariffs on foreign steel, aluminium, solar panels and washing machines from countries like Canada, Mexico, the European Union and Japan. Yet the tariffs on China, the world’s largest manufacturing hub, affect a much larger share of products and a greater percentage of companies that rely on global supply chains, potentially hurting American companies even more than the Chinese firms the Trump administration is targeting.

Mr. Trump’s aggressive stance toward China is aimed at pressuring the country to curtail what the White House describes as a pattern of unfair trade practices and theft of American intellectual property. In addition to the tariffs, the White House is placing restrictions on investment and on visas for Chinese nationals. The administration says the trade barriers are being used as leverage to force Beijing to make changes, including opening its markets to American companies and ending its practice of requiring firms operating in China to hand over valuable technology.

But the trade measures come at a cost for American firms, which are facing potentially devastating disruptions to their businesses.

As of Friday morning, companies like Husco International, a Wisconsin-based manufacturing company that makes parts for companies like Ford, General Motors, Caterpillar and John Deere, now face a 25 percent increase on a variety of parts imported from China. Austin Ramirez, Husco International’s chief executive, said that increase would immediately put him and other American manufacturers at a disadvantage to competitors abroad.

“The people it helps most of all are my competitors in Germany and Japan, who also have large parts of their supply chain in Asia but don’t have these tariffs,” he said.

Mr. Ramirez said his company would not be able to absorb the additional costs, and would be forced to try to pass them on to suppliers or customers — if it could. He was also fearful of how China’s tit-for-tat retaliation would ultimately affect his business in that country.

“One of the big scary unknowns is we don’t know how China will react,” Mr. Ramirez said. “There are lots of things they could do to make life difficult for U.S. businesses operating in China that would be detrimental to us.”

China is expected to respond with its own tariffs on $34 billion worth of American goods, joining other countries that have retaliated against Mr. Trump’s trade measures and bringing the total value of affected American exports to about $75 billion by the end of the week. That is still a small fraction of the $1.55 trillion of goods the United States exported last year, but in some industries, the pain is becoming intense.

Brent Bible, a farmer who cultivates 5,000 acres of corn and soy in western Indiana, said the trade war was already damaging his farm and the broader agricultural economy. More than half of American soybeans that are exported go to China, giving the country influence over the price of the American crop. Trade worries have pushed down the price of soybeans roughly 15 percent in recent months, erasing his typical yearly profit margin of 8 percent to 10 percent.

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By One Degree
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Before you feel too sorry for Brent Bible, the poor farmer, those 5000 acres are worth over $35 million. I am pretty sure he will find another crop to plant. How about vegetables?
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/06/china-i ... -says.html

China accuses the US of launching the 'largest trade war in economic history'
The U.S. imposes tariffs on $34 billion of annual imports from China.
This prompts Beijing to respond in kind with levy tariffs on U.S. imports.
China's soy meal futures plunged over 2 percent during Friday afternoon trade in Asia before recovering most of its losses, amid market confusion over whether Beijing had actually implemented tariffs on soybeans and other U.S. goods.


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By annatar1914
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Victoribus Spolia wrote:https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/06/china-implements-new-tariffs-on-us-products-state-media-says.html



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I'm pretty psyched about it myself. And all the clueless folks out there who have no idea what's really going on, living in their liberal bubble... I almost feel sorry for them.
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By Rugoz
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Atlantis wrote:Merkel is right that traditional ways of representing trade flows of goods and/or services don't give an accurate picture of trade relations.


She said "based only on goods", which is simply nonsense.

Anyway, the paper I was talking about.

The issue is explained well in the paper:

Second, MNEs own significant stocks of intangible capital (e.g., intellectual property,
brands, blueprints) and have a presence in countries that vary widely in corporate tax rates.
These characteristics allow MNEs to legally take advantage of differences in national tax
regimes to shift profits from high-tax jurisdictions—such as the United States—to lowtax
jurisdictions, such as Bermuda. Increasingly common profit-shifting practices include
transfer pricing and complex global structuring related to intangible capital, in which an
MNE effectively underprices intangible capital when“sold”from one of its entities in a hightax
jurisdiction to another of its entities in a low-tax jurisdiction or engages in a series of
transactions among subsidiaries that are strategically located in order to reduce the MNE’s
effective global tax rate. For U.S. MNEs, these strategies allow them to book earnings in
low-tax foreign affiliates in ways that are disproportionate to the economic activity carried
out in those affiliates. These tax strategies have generated discussion among both the
compilers and users of official statistics regarding the treatment of transactions within
MNEs and their effect on national statistics.

The effects of profit shifting on value added can be illustrated through a concrete
example. Consider the iPhone, which is developed and designed in California but assembled
by an unrelated company in China, with components manufactured in various
Asian) countries. Taking some hypothetical ballpark figures, suppose the bill of materials
and labor costs of assembly amount to $250 per iPhone and the average selling price is
$750, for a gross profit of $500 per phone. For simplicity, assume that there are no further
costs of retailing and that all iPhones are sold to customers outside of the United States.
Two important questions arise from this simple scenario: First, defining GDP as total
domestic value added, how much should each iPhone contribute to U.S. GDP? Second,
given the profit-shifting practices described above, how much of each iPhone’s gross profit
is actually included in U.S. GDP?

To answer the first question, note that the $250 paid to contract manufacturers and
suppliers in Asia is not part of U.S. GDP, whereas how much of the $500 gross profit
should be attributed to U.S. GDP depends on where that value is created. If consumers
are willing to pay a $500 premium over the production cost for an iPhone, it is because they
value the design, software, brand name, and customer service embedded in the product.
If we assume these intangibles were developed by managers, engineers, and designers at
Apple headquarters in California (Apple, U.S.), then the entire $500 should be included in
U.S. GDP. In the national accounts, the $500 would be a net export under charges for the
use of intellectual property in expenditure-based GDP, matched by an increase in Apple’s
earnings in income-based GDP. To the extent that some intangible assets were created
outside of the United States, only the appropriate share of the gross profit and related net
export would accrue to the United States.

As to the second question, the gross profit actually included in U.S. GDP may be
very small. Suppose that Apple generates intangible assets in the United States and
legally transfers them to a foreign affiliate (e.g., one in Ireland). Payments for the use of
intellectual property will accrue in Ireland rather than in the United States, which means
that the returns to Apple U.S.’s intangible assets are attributed to an Apple affiliate outside
the United States and not included in U.S. GDP. In this case, the returns are captured in
“income on USDIA,” which is included in U.S. gross national product,

Thus, relative to the conceptual measure, U.S. net exports and GDP are understated and
earnings on USDIA are overstated
.

...

Profit shifting distorts the relationship between the location of economic activity and
the location of reported profit. To realign reported profit and economic activity, we use
the firm-level data to reattribute earnings on USDIA among a U.S. parent and its foreign
affiliates, based on factors that reflect economic activity, under a method of formulary apportionment.
Under this method, the total worldwide earnings of an MNE are attributed to
locations based on apportionment factors that aim to capture the true location of economic
activity. As apportionment factors, we use, in each geographical location, a combination
of (i) labor compensation and (ii) sales to unaffiliated parties, as they are likely to be
good proxies for the actual economic activity taking place in each location. It should be
noted, however, that formulary apportionment assumes away real factors that can create
differences in the returns to productive factors in different locations. Primarily for this
reason, the results of formulary apportionment presented here should be interpreted as
rough estimates; it is our intention to emphasize the direction of adjustments rather than
the level of the adjustments.

...

Our assumption is that the reattributed income is the result of intangible assets created
in the United States, so the exports would be classified as“charges for the use of intellectual
property” and counted as a service export from the United States. In Figure 11b, we plot
the trade balance for goods and services separately. Our adjustment does not change
the goods trade balance, so the only differences between the adjusted and unadjusted
goods trade-balance-to-GDP ratios are from changes to GDP in the adjusted measure.
Our adjustment makes the services trade balance more positive, and, as before, the effect
grows over time and especially rapidly in the 2000s. In 2014, the unadjusted services trade
balance is 1.5 percent of GDP, and the adjusted services trade balance is 3.1 percent of
GDP.

These large effects of our adjustment on the trade balance raise a natural question:
What is the effect on the current account? As is evident from equation (1), our adjustment
decreases income on USDIA and increases exports of services by the same amount, leaving
the current account unchanged.


USDIA stands for "U.S. direct investment abroad". Note what they do is just different accounting, income on USDIA is being replaced by export income, de facto it changes nothing, but it reduces the overall trade deficit roughly by half.

I think we can draw two conclusions from this:
1) The trade deficit is even less of an issue. The high return on American assets abroad relative to foreign assets in the US stems from the market power of American MNEs and less from some irrational believe in the safety of the dollar.
2) American MNEs and thus US capital income are dependent on access to foreign markets, where most of the profits are made.

Trump's strategy against the trade deficit already looked stupid before, now even more so.
By Atlantis
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Rugoz wrote:I think we can draw two conclusions from this:
1) The trade deficit is even less of an issue. The high return on American assets abroad relative to foreign assets in the US stems from the market power of American MNEs and less from some irrational believe in the safety of the dollar.
2) American MNEs and thus US capital income are dependent on access to foreign markets, where most of the profits are made.

Trump's strategy against the trade deficit already looked stupid before, now even more so.


The German industry association BDI announced that trade between the US and Germany is balanced because the US deficit in goods trade is offset by a surplus in services and because earnings of US MNEs leave Germany via Ireland and don't appear in the official trade statistics with the US.

The French minister for the economy Bruno Le Maire is very keen on introducing a tax on digital services which would first of all hit US service providers. Nearly 30% of US corporate earnings depends on business outside of the US, primarily in the EU. And these are the most competitive US companies. In a trade war, the US economy is more vulnerable than Trump seems to understand.
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By Zamuel
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I don't like the phraseology of "trade war." I don't think there's anything competitive about it. What we have is a "Trade Realignment." Essentially. Trump attempting to cut a "better deal" for the US and his buddies while encouraging speculation about the return of US manufacturing and jobs (a fallacy illustrated by the Harley Davidson fiasco). All of which is stimulated by rising transportation costs.

Only by destroying the status quo is renegotiation a realistic possibility. In time honored tradition Trump wishes to MAGA by climbing on top of the backs and shoulders of our friends and allies, and the carcasses of our enemies.

The real question is, do you value American Supremacy over global progress ?

Zam 8)
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By Ter
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I have been looking at the list of Chinese products that got the Trump tariff but so far, consumer products have been left out. I hope they will include garments soon so Bangladesh can make more money from its sweatshops. Yeah !

By the way, China gives an export benefit for garments exports to neutralise the duty-free import countries like Bangladesh receive from the EU. That export premium is exactly the size of the import tax that Bangladesh does not have to pay.
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By Rancid
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Atlantis wrote:I really don't get why people are so keen on having the Chinese replace the Yanks.


I agree, having the world's reserve currency run by a nationalistic one party state sounds worse than having it dominated by the US. At least in the US, the power of the economy is a little more decentralized which means more people have a say. Sure it's mostly in the hands of the rich elites and corporations, but that's better than being at the mercy of an authoritarian government that doesn't give a shit about the rest of the world. At least corporations and the rich care to prop up various portions of the world. Because they need someone to exploit.

All that said, I don't think the Yuan/RMB will not replace the USD. I just don't believe China will gobble up the rest of the world. Why? I sincerely believe that 3d printing will put manufacturing totally on its head, and China will lose its status as the world's factory. Things will be come more equal across the planet.

Perhaps the idea of a global reserve currency won't be needed.

Than again, I'm probably just full of it.
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By Kaiserschmarrn
#14933023
Rancid wrote:I agree, having the world's reserve currency run by a nationalistic one party state sounds worse than having it dominated by the US. At least in the US, the power of the economy is a little more decentralized which means more people have a say. Sure it's mostly in the hands of the rich elites and corporations, but that's better than being at the mercy of an authoritarian government that doesn't give a shit about the rest of the world. At least corporations and the rich care to prop up various portions of the world. Because they need someone to exploit.

All that said, I don't think the Yuan/RMB will not replace the USD.

China would have to substantially change policies for people to consider the yuan as an alternative. For the foreseeable future, I don't think that a realistic prospect at all.

Rancid wrote:I just don't believe China will gobble up the rest of the world. Why? I sincerely believe that 3d printing will put manufacturing totally on its head, and China will lose its status as the world's factory. Things will be come more equal across the planet.

Perhaps the idea of a global reserve currency won't be needed.

Than again, I'm probably just full of it.

China will probably end up as the dominant power in the world. It's unlikely that it will be able to project as benign an image as the US has done for much of the 20th century though, so the world will be quite different.

I know that's vague but anything more specific will almost certainly be wrong.
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By Rancid
#14933116
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:China will probably end up as the dominant power in the world. It's unlikely that it will be able to project as benign an image as the US has done for much of the 20th century though, so the world will be quite different.


Yea, I can agree with this.
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By One Degree
#14933156
I don’t know what you mean by ‘dominant’ power, but China is surrounded by strong military powers. Russia is still stronger. India is close. You have Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, and Taiwan. China is still constrained. Any war China engages in is likely to bring in some or all of their historic enemies on their borders.
Their only strength comes from acceptance by others. They are in a precarious military position.
The US will remain the dominant military power which leads to economic power. We have no military threats on our borders.
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By Rugoz
#14933186
One Degree wrote:The US will remain the dominant military power which leads to economic power.


Gotta love the Trumpsters and their wishful thinking. It's the other way around, economic power gives rise to military power.

The US cannot contain China economically, even if it had allies, which it hasn't. Trump's tariffs will just shift trade through other countries. If the US wants to influence internal politics in China, it should focus more on its soft power. Hopeless with Trump at the helm.
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By Beren
#14933246
If we consider PPP figures China spends enormous amounts on its military, they're close second to the US and they and the Russians keep balance with the US actually, while Russia's military expenditures keep balance with Germany, France, and the UK combined. Japan's military spending is as much as Germany's, so I wonder whether Trump asks them so loudly to spend more as well.
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By One Degree
#14933384
What does China intend to do with that military power? All those cheering on China and bad mouthing the US do not seem to understand geopolitical realities. They will not use that power against the US. It will be used against those closest to them.
The US should just withdraw from the Eastern hemisphere and watch it go up in flames. The US is imperialist but it has been beneficial compared to what happens if they withdraw.
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