[blackjack21]

You then made decide accuse the man of drug possession and the intruder a minority.

I didn't accuse the shooter. The police did and suggested he may have problems with Federal prosecutors. You are the one who cited the story, because you seem to think this is unfair. However, he was not accused of murdering a burglar. So your claim was misleading. I said I thought the burglar was also likely black, because details about him were omitted. That is typical practice in the media these days. I did not intend it as a slight against the burglar, but as notice to the media that we understand their games.

Also, you always mention Blacks in demeaning tone that somehow always involve racist dogwhistles.

I've said in all sincerity that I think the best justice on the Supreme Court is Clarence Thomas. I said that when Scalia was still alive.

And it still doesn't change the fact you're anti-minority and women.

I'm not "anti," I just don't believe in absolute equality. Equality before the law, uniform application of the law, etc. is a separate question for me. I simply do not entertain the American mass media propagandized Jeffersonian delusion that we are all "created equal." The progressives want an end to Americanism. My attitude is post-American. Be careful what you ask for.

Trump knows what "acting presidential" is actually like, but he also knows he can't. He just hasn't put in the work to being informed enough, and having the judgement about people and situations, to do his job.

He's done an excellent, but slow job of smoking out the deep state.

Occasionally, they realise people are laughing at them, so he has to do something to cheer them up and make them think they aren't gullible dolts.

They aren't laughing. They were laughing until early November 2016.

Drlee was correct. You are a master of false equivalencies. The political pee pee shit you list has nothing whatever to do with Donald's facilitating a massive transfer of wealth from the middle and lower classes to his plutocratic buddies in the top 1%.

Oh, you didn't like us following THAT money... Donald Trump is not my hero. That's what the anti-Trump people can't figure out. I like Trump BECAUSE he bashes the establishment. If the Democrats want to beat him, they have to offer to restore some of the SALT deductions the Republicans took away from the upper middle and upper classes. That screws their image up hugely. Trump has already won the blue dogs over because of the left's identity politics and race baiting. Yet, Trump is gaining popularity with blacks and Hispanics too.

the tax reform hasn’t yet resulted in appreciably higher wages for American workers. Real average hourly compensation actually fell in the first quarter after the tax reform was passed.

The intent of the bill is to lower unemployment and corporate taxes. He succeeded at both. He's doing it to a significant extent on the backs of the upper middle and upper classes, particularly in blue states--the people who always say the "rich" should pay more in taxes as long as it isn't them. Trump has got them in a finger trap: the harder they try to pull, the tighter the trap gets. It's brilliant.

The federal deficit rose 20 percent in the first 10 months of the 2018 fiscal year as a result of President Trump’s and GOP lawmakers’ tax cuts and spending plans, the Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.

Does this surprise you? The Republicans controlled the legislature for six of Obama's eight years. They rubber stamped Obama's spending. You cite the Ohio election as something that should scare Republicans. It should. Why? They failed to repeal ObamaCare as promised. It's many of those people who are retiring.

In 2018, the 670,000 households earning more than $1 million a year will collectively benefit more from this bill than the 113 million families earning less than $75,000.

Except for those entering the workforce for the first time in a long time.

Global warming denial is another gift from Donald to the big money boys

It's yet another establishment scam. Yes, I have a 30 panel system on my roof. Do I believe in anthropogenic global warming theories? Nope. I do believe in cap-and-trade in California and Federal and State tax credits. Those are real.

President Trump participates in a prison reform roundtable

He'll probably win over blacks and potheads next.

Trump mocking the establishment really does seem to piss you guys off though. Is it Trump's mocking, or is it the audience laughing with him at the establishment that gets you guys so riled up?

[Libertarian353]

said I thought the burglar was also likely black, because details about him were omitted.

And I said bullshit, cause the media will more frequently tell the race of victim if he's white than non-white. Usually the criminal race is inform if he's minority. You're again are lying, like the fact Blacks self-segregated themselves when in actuality whites didn't want to live with them. You of course happen to defend any attempt to put Blacks in slave labor.

I've said in all sincerity that I think the best justice on the Supreme Court is Clarence Thomas.

Of course, he has done more harm towards the Black communities and agenda. His color is irrelevant as long as he cater to white supremacy.

I'm not "anti," I just don't believe in absolute equality.

You're strawmanning, I don't believe in "absolute" equality, whatever that means. You don't believe equality under the law either, for women's rights or poor people.

I simply do not entertain the American mass media propagandized Jeffersonian delusion that we are all "created equal."

If catholic(which I doubt, cause your actions and thoughts will send you far from God grace) you would know that we are created equal. You just want either Blacks in the underclass or dead and that's not going to end well for either party.

Yet, Trump is gaining popularity with blacks and Hispanics too.

8 out of ten Blacks hate him and want him gone.

The progressives want an end to Americanism.

Good, so do I. Americanism had taking more of taxes and eroded property rights.

My attitude is post-American.

So is mine, but the difference is mine is more realistic. You're not going to be part of any aristocrat.

[Beren]

He'll probably win over blacks and potheads next.

Because that's what blacks and potheads really want: spending their jail time in prisons reformed by Trump, and sitting next to him or his wonderful son while having free lunch.

[blackjack21]

And I said bullshit, cause the media will more frequently tell the race of victim if he's white than non-white.

If a white guy got shot and killed by a black guy under stand-your-ground laws, the media would rejoice. They didn't rejoice. So the burglar probably wasn't white. It's just a matter of understanding how the political left thinks. You would rejoice too, by the way.

Usually the criminal race is inform if he's minority. You're again are lying, like the fact Blacks self-segregated themselves when in actuality whites didn't want to live with them.

I'm saying they do that now. I said it in the context of Little Rock Central High School 50 years later, and how blacks behave now. Blacks have their own TV network where they watch shows with an overwhelmingly black audience. White people do not have White Entertainment Television. In California, I'm not a racial majority. Where is my WET network?

You of course happen to defend any attempt to put Blacks in slave labor.

Where do you get this idea? I've certainly explained why it persisted. That is not the same as defending it on moral or political grounds.

Of course, he has done more harm towards the Black communities and agenda.

That's assuming the only hope for black people is the welfare state. That's not exactly a libertarian sentiment, by the way.

You're strawmanning, I don't believe in "absolute" equality, whatever that means. You don't believe equality under the law either, for women's rights or poor people.

I believe in equality under the law in terms of civil law, crimes against the person and crimes against the property of a person. If you want to implement more and more regulations (not libertarian position), it will adversely affect those who do not have capital.

If catholic(which I doubt, cause your actions and thoughts will send you far from God grace) you would know that we are created equal. You just want either Blacks in the underclass or dead and that's not going to end well for either party.

I was raised Catholic. I didn't say I adhered to every bit of Catholic teaching or go to Catholic churches ongoingly. I do believe in the corporal works of mercy.

8 out of ten Blacks hate him and want him gone.

That's what I said. His support among blacks is double what it is among other Republicans historically.

So is mine, but the difference is mine is more realistic. You're not going to be part of any aristocrat.

According to the political left, I already am.

Because that's what blacks and potheads really want: spending their jail time in prisons reformed by Trump, and sitting next to him or his wonderful son while having free lunch.

Trump is talking about ending harsh prison sentences for first time non-violent offenders if their behavior in prison (good behavior, that is) warrants parole.

[Beren]

Trump is talking about ending harsh prison sentences for first time non-violent offenders if their behavior in prison (good behavior, that is) warrants parole.

So he's talking about his wonderful son in the future.

[blackjack21]

So he's talking about his wonderful son in the future.

Who hasn't committed any crimes that I am aware of...

[Beren]

Who hasn't committed any crimes that I am aware of...

It doesn't matter what you're aware of, Trump may be aware of more than you are. He lied to Congress under oath, which is a crime that can be punished by imprisonment, by the way.

[Libertarian353]

If a white guy got shot and killed by a black guy under stand-your-ground laws, the media would rejoice.

The media especially conservative stations have been know to be right wing shooters, especially if the people killed were Black males.

Remember how Conservatives slander Trayon Martin for being some "thug" due by showing a bad picture of him sticking his middle up in the air in selfie? His only criminal record was a suspension, and that is all they needed.

Meanwhile Dylon Roof who had a picture of burning the american flag, was portray in media for committing a terrorist attack on Christians similar to the bomb attacks in the 1960s in a almost victim like status. Like if Blacks congregating in church were the real criminals. The establish media you hate almost never call conservative murderers, thugs and we're shown pictures of their mugshots in positive light. He was even treated to dinner by the cops for job well done.

In California the media literally victimized a white supremacist thug who killed a Black woman(I meant to say Nia Wilson not Nia Long), they were even doing the "he had mental health issues". They were downplaying the criminal past record and racism by trying to demonized the victim by showing a picture of her with A GUN! Cause Blacks don't have second amendment rights. https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/07/27/ ... t-example/

I'm saying they do that now. I said it in the context of Little Rock Central High School 50 years later, and how blacks behave now.

There you're race baiting again. You're worse than the conservative media when it comes to not treating races as a monolith. Blacks behave based on how we behave towards them, don't sabotage their communities if your not willing to face the repercussion on ours. You're not a libertarian, with that racist mindset. It's clear you want less rights for them.

Blacks have their own TV network where they watch shows with an overwhelmingly black audience. White people do not have White Entertainment Television. In California, I'm not a racial majority. Where is my WET network?

See, this is why talking to you is pointless. You know the stupidity of that concept(and the fact BET is own by whites). You're trying to remove Black identity and any representation in media.

Where do you get this idea? I've certainly explained why it persisted. That is not the same as defending it on moral or political grounds.

"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did." John Ehrlichman

Their "disorder" came from us, whose communities and their right wing militia has been known to disregard authority for the sake of racism/religion or simply criminally.

Chicago was 90% white and committed the majority of crimes, in fact there were more white on white crimes during the 20th century than Black on Black ones. Here's a question why do whites make films from 1930s to 2018s glorying thugs(Breaking Bad, Goodfellas, Casinos)? White collar films where rich whites screw over all americans,(Wolf of Wall Street, The Big Short) why do we glorify theft and murder on grands scales when it's a white person doing it?

That's assuming the only hope for black people is the welfare state. That's not exactly a libertarian sentiment, by the way.

Well when whites deny Blacks jobs due to skin color nor pay them a living wage, you think they should die? By the way we always were more hinder to the welfare than Blacks. You always see Blacks begging for work, meanwhile whites won't even work in white own farms. Why you think immigrants replacing us?

I believe in equality under the law in terms of civil law, crimes against the person and crimes against the property of a person.

Clearly not, you give trump a pass. You ignore crimes when conservative institutions like the police or court house choose to not enforce it. There's also the civil forture which AG brought back, a clear infringement. And you blamed Obama for enforcing policy signed by republicans in 2003 that breech both 1th/4th amendment right. Black farms are being sold fake seeds to make Blacks lose property.

If you want to implement more and more regulations (not libertarian position), it will adversely affect those who do not have capital.

Trump is the least libertarian I seen yet. His policies(one involving managers taking workers tips which is loss of capital, and the consumer protection act) has done more harm to those with no capital. You're lying, the regulations that harm those without capital were by lobby and conservative design. So far democrats especially Obama has did much deregulation that helped small business.

I was raised Catholic. I didn't say I adhered to every bit of Catholic teaching or go to Catholic churches ongoingly. I do believe in the corporal works of mercy.

Not raised right as it seems. You seem to lack mercy or goodness.

That's what I said. His support among blacks is double what it is among other Republicans historically.

Bush was more popular than trump, twice as and in the third year. This is why arguing with you is pointless. You're clearly aware of your hypercritical speech.

[Red_Army]

I can't fathom how you fellahs continue these debates, but I do think Trump should drop a netflix comedy special. Obama did Maron and went on Between Two Ferns, but I think Trump can do better. Obama had to play the straight man, but I think The Don can do it himself. He could spend 10 minutes just bitching about Nanette.

[blackjack21]

It doesn't matter what you're aware of, Trump may be aware of more than you are. He lied to Congress under oath, which is a crime that can be punished by imprisonment, by the way.

Sure. Hillary scrubs hard drives while under Congressional subpoena and even the FBI admits it's criminal, but didn't prosecute because they didn't get a criminal referral from Congress, but they are going to go after Donald Trump Jr., who will be immediately pardoned by his father... It will never happen. Especially since the crowds are all in a dither for Trump and hate the media.

The media especially conservative stations have been know to be right wing shooters, especially if the people killed were Black males.

I don't know what you mean here. Are you saying that media outlets are right wing shooters? I don't see any evidence for that.

Remember how Conservatives slander Trayon Martin for being some "thug" due by showing a bad picture of him sticking his middle up in the air in selfie?

Slandering someone involves saying something about them that isn't true. Showing a selfie he took flipping the bird is not slander. It does sort of create a one-dimensional picture, but it isn't one created exclusively by the media. It was created by Trayvon Martin himself.

Meanwhile Dylon Roof who had a picture of burning the american flag, was portray in media for committing a terrorist attack on Christians similar to the bomb attacks in the 1960s in a almost victim like status.

I don't remember that. I thought pretty much everyone condemned him.

The establish media you hate almost never call conservative murderers, thugs and we're shown pictures of their mugshots in positive light.

Well there aren't nearly as many conservative murderers, but the media certainly does call them murderers if they commit murder.

He was even treated to dinner by the cops for job well done.

That's just you being ignorant of police work. The police will try to make him feel comfortable so that he talks. Everything he said was used against him in a court of law. For the price of a fast food meal, they got everything they needed to put him in jail.

In California the media literally victimized a white supremacist thug who killed a Black woman(I meant to say Nia Wilson not Nia Long), they were even doing the "he had mental health issues".

He was a meth head. Almost all of them have metnl health issues no matter what their race. Meth fries your brains. Look what it does to people's teeth. Do you think if it melts down your teeth it's not going to rot your brain too?

They were downplaying the criminal past record and racism by trying to demonized the victim by showing a picture of her with A GUN!

Everything I've read suggested he was a violent criminal with a violent past and on parole--keep in mind our very liberal governor, Jerry Brown (a.k.a. "moonbeam") is trying to reduce the prison population to save money (because corrections workers unions demand a boat load of money). The Democrats do not want to address public employee unions, because that is a huge source of their compelled political contributions. They also don't want to address drugs that much, since people on drugs tend to vote for Democrats.

There you're race baiting again.

Look, I've told you repeatedly, I would be happy to debate you on race in a thread about race. This is a thread about Trump mocking the establishment's notion of what it means to act "presidential." Can you stick to the topic, or create a thread on race where I will be happy to debate you as much as you like?

You're worse than the conservative media when it comes to not treating races as a monolith.

I am the boogy man. Let's discuss this elsewhere.

See, this is why talking to you is pointless.

If you are trying to get me to adopt an egalitarian viewpoint, it is pointless as I've already noted that I'm not an egalitarian in the late postmodern sense. I'm barely a liberal in the classical sense in that respect.

Back to the subject at hand: Trump is funny. I mean, he's a complete nut, but he's hilarious. It's not new, but it's still funny. A month ago in Montana, he was bashing George H.W. Bush's "thousand points of light" as a retort to swipes the Bush family have taken at Trump. It's a riot to see CNN suddenly try to build up George H.W. Bush as a WWII fighter pilot.

Yet, they do it. CNN cannot make a serious report about policy anymore while at the same time Trump is calling them Fake News.

[Beren]

It will never happen. Especially since the crowds are all in a dither for Trump and hate the media.

Maybe it will never happen, but it could. And if Trump has to pardon his own son, it will be the end of his political "career". And it's not the crowds cheering for him that decide his fate, it's the voters, with whom he doesn't seem to be so popular.

[jimjam]

I can't fathom how you fellahs continue these debates,

It's excellent therapy. We can rant endless angry nonsense all day long, turn off our computers, turn to our wife, smile and ask, "What's for dinner, Hon."

[MistyTiger]

Comparing Trump to Rodney Dangerfield or any comedian is blasphemous. He's not funny unless you think it's comedy when a senile, creepy old man says shit that is odd and cliche. He has nothing new to say just the tired, pathetic rantings or ramblings of a man who is past his shelf life and needs to retire. He's living in a house of cards and we saw what happened to Kevin Spacey and his role on that show...Trump is going the same way.

[annatar1914]

Comparing Trump to Rodney Dangerfield or any comedian is blasphemous. He's not funny unless you think it's comedy when a senile, creepy old man says shit that is odd and cliche. He has nothing new to say just the tired, pathetic rantings or ramblings of a man who is past his shelf life and needs to retire. He's living in a house of cards and we saw what happened to Kevin Spacey and his role on that show...Trump is going the same way.

Lot of anger there. And wishful thinking. I imagine that you will still be thinking this way when President Trump wins the 2024 US Presidential Election as well.

[Red_Army]

Telling people they're angry is petty. If you're the ideologue you say you are then you should think Rodney Dangerfield is a degenerate and be upset at the comparison to the person you say is a righteous leader. Rodney is a filthy heeb after all and a tentacle of Hollywood. Vinny Boombatz diagnoses you with cognitive dissonance.

[blackjack21]

Maybe it will never happen, but it could. And if Trump has to pardon his own son, it will be the end of his political "career". And it's not the crowds cheering for him that decide his fate, it's the voters, with whom he doesn't seem to be so popular.

Nobody will care if he pardons his own son, because everybody knows the Natalia Veselnitskaya meeting was set up by partisan hacks to begin with. She couldn't even get into the country without an immigration parole from Loretta Lynch. This stuff would sink Jeb Bush, because Jeb Bush would never fight back. It won't even take a point off Donald Trump's popularity.

Comparing Trump to Rodney Dangerfield or any comedian is blasphemous.

Rodney Dangerfield's character in Caddyshack... Trump wouldn't qualify for the "no respect" shtick. He does qualify for the "maybe I'll buy Bushwood, level it, and build condos" role in Caddyshack, which upsets its "upper crust."

He's living in a house of cards and we saw what happened to Kevin Spacey and his role on that show...Trump is going the same way.

As I said before, if there was going to be a "social" basis for people to dislike Trump, we'll hear about him having sex with boys. I'm not holding my breath on that one.

Telling people they're angry is petty. If you're the ideologue you say you are then you should think Rodney Dangerfield is a degenerate and be upset at the comparison to the person you say is a righteous leader.

The "Al Czervik" character in Caddyshack wasn't a degenerate. He was a nouveau riche bombastic character who didn't play by society's etiquette. That's why that role was hysterical. That's why Trump as president is hysterical.

Omarosa says Trump is a racist who uses N-word – and claims there is tape to prove it
This kind of charge matters regarding someone like Jeb Bush, who puts on a holier than thou image. It doesn't matter regarding someone like Trump, because there is no pretense.

She also claims that she personally witnessed Trump use racial epithets about the White House counselor Kellyanne Conway’s husband George Conway, who is half Filipino. “Would you look at this George Conway article?” she quotes the president as saying. “F**ing FLIP! Disloyal! Fucking Goo-goo.”

Both flip and goo-goo are terms of racial abuse for Filipinos.

If this is true, this will just make Trump's base laugh.

Rodney is a filthy heeb after all and a tentacle of Hollywood.

So is Trump's daugher and son in law, and his former attorney.

Basically, Trump supporters don't care about this stuff. Political correctness is like the old adage, "If you live by the sword, you die by the sword." If you don't, it just doesn't matter. Trump isn't politically correct, so it just doesn't matter.

If there were no Raymond Reddington character, there would be no Blacklist. If there were no JR character, there would have been no Dallas. If there were no Tony Soprano, there would be no The Sopranos. People like a bad guy character. You'd think Hollywood would know this. America wants a "bad guy" character to unleash some wrath on Washington politicos. They are willing to overlook a lot at this point, as long as Trump continues to bash the swamp, deport illegal aliens and keep stoking the economy.

[MistyTiger]

@blackjack21 Trump has had no allegations of sexual misconduct against boys, but he has had allegations of rape and sexual abuse raised against him by women, which is just as bad. Plus Trump has ties to the notoriously dirty Harvey Weinstein, which can't be helpful to his sweet image.

Pile on the Manafort scandal and how smitten he is with Russia, and you got a reputation worse than Kevin Spacey's.

Lot of anger there. And wishful thinking. I imagine that you will still be thinking this way when President Trump wins the 2024 US Presidential Election as well.

Anger aside, he has said and done things that are against the common person, the person who isn't rolling around in mounds and mounds of dough. He doesn't understand the plight of working class men and women or the poor immigrants who come to the US for a better life away from the restrictions and hardships in their native countries. So many Americans are unhappy with him right now.

None of us know who will win the 2024 election and to assume that he will win is hopeful arrogance. We will just have to wait and see. I wouldn't bet all my money that he wins. The GOP has been divided and people are divided now, so the final victor could be anybody at this point.

[Rich]

If a white guy got shot and killed by a black guy under stand-your-ground laws, the media would rejoice. They didn't rejoice. So the burglar probably wasn't white. It's just a matter of understanding how the political left thinks. You would rejoice too, by the way.

Its important to note that in Britain and Europe, Muslim trumps everything else. So in Britain the mainslam media deliberately seeks to whip up racial hatred by referring to Muslims as Asians. Many Sikhs and Hindus in Britain are very angry about this. The left will throw everyone overboard, women, gays, transgender even Blacks in their desperate attempts to defend Muslims at all cost. in this respect America is actually behind Europe.

[blackjack21]

@blackjack21 Trump has had no allegations of sexual misconduct against boys, but he has had allegations of rape and sexual abuse raised against him by women, which is just as bad.

Allegations aren't taken as seriously anymore since they are peddled by politically motivated interests like Chiclets at the Mexican border.

Plus Trump has ties to the notoriously dirty Harvey Weinstein, which can't be helpful to his sweet image.

Trump doesn't have a sweet image. He's never played that way. Legally, he keeps himself out of trouble and tax wise too. Otherwise, he hangs out with the WWF crowd, etc.

Pile on the Manafort scandal and how smitten he is with Russia, and you got a reputation worse than Kevin Spacey's.

Manafort is meaningless too. Manafort isn't a Trump buddy. He was proferred by his son-in-law, Jered Kushner, as someone with political ties that could help Trump during the Republican nomination process. Trump hired him and then fired him when the Russian investigation stuff leaked out. Russia isn't registering with voters. Clearly, a bunch of homosexuals are very upset with Russia. Nobody else really seems to care.

Anger aside, he has said and done things that are against the common person, the person who isn't rolling around in mounds and mounds of dough. He doesn't understand the plight of working class men and women or the poor immigrants who come to the US for a better life away from the restrictions and hardships in their native countries.

What's nice about that assertion is that his detractors have no idea how to beat him. Trump is married to an immigrant. He knows very well the plight of poor immigrants. He's employed many of them. That was the funny thing about his exchange with Marco Rubio in the primaries in 2016. Rubio tried to make a joke about Trump hiring illegal Polish workers. Trump turned that right around saying words to the effect, "Yeah, the difference between me and the rest of the Republican presidential candidates is that I'm the only one who has actually hired anybody." Since he has been involved in many building projects and is notoriously hands on, he knows what concrete, framer, drywaller, plubmer, electrical, painter, flooring, glass and so many other workers do, how much they are paid, whether they are unionized or not, and so forth. That is why the media's attempt to destroy him goes nowhere, because Trump can speak their language and the media cannot.

None of us know who will win the 2024 election and to assume that he will win is hopeful arrogance.

Trump can't win in 2024, unless he loses in 2020. There is constitutional limit of two terms to prevent FDR-style dictatorships.

Many Sikhs and Hindus in Britain are very angry about this.

And East Asians as well. Rei Murasame was routinely pissed off about that.

[Beren]

Nobody will care if he pardons his own son