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skinster wrote:I've managed to recruit 3 family members and 1 friend to Labour membership so far. Every Corbyn supporter should be working on their in earl friends and family right now. 8)


No such luck, if I were to join a party it would be one of the dozen or so tiny socialist or Communist parties. :lol:
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 95176.html

According to the YouGov poll, only 20 per cent of people now think Mr Corbyn is doing well as party leader - down from 27 per cent last month - while 65 per cent say he is performing badly (up from 59 per cent).
In contrast, the proportion of people who think Ms May is doing well has increased from 24 to 27 per cent, while the number criticising her performance has dropped from 66 to 63 per cent.


Labour could have been wiping the floor with the tories if they had a non retard at the helm.
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Sorry but I don't trust any poll that states Theresa May has increased in ratings. :lol:

I generally don't care for polls anyway but that one I posted looks legit, obviously.

Labour could have been wiping the floor with the tories if they had a non retard at the helm.


Or if traitors from his own party weren't busy serving their opponents and Israel.




Have Jeremy Corbyn's Enemies Overplayed Their Hand?
The ‘Wake Up Walmington’ episode of the classic sitcom Dad’s Army, shown again last week on the BBC, contains one of my favorite lines in the entire series. Lance-Corporal Jones comes to the old barn where the platoon are to assemble, dressed as a nun. Captain Mainwaring looks up at him, and after a short pause, says: ‘You've gone too far'.

You’ve gone too far. You could say that about those engaged in a relentless campaign to destroy the reputation of UK Labour party leader Jeremy Corbyn.

The attacks on Corbyn have hardly stopped since he threw his rather fetching black Breton fisherman's cap into the ring for the Labour leadership in 2015. He’s been accused of being a Czechoslovakian spy in the old Cold War. An IRA supporter/sympathiser. An anti-semite. A Stalinist AND a Trotskyist. A supporter of terrorists. A friend of Hamas and Hezbollah. A Kremlin stooge. An ally of Assad. A Serb war crimes denier. Anti-American. Anti-British. Anti-Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (ok, I made the last one up, but you get the idea).

No other leader of a major political party has had to face as much flak as Corbyn. Yet despite the attacks, Jezza’s still standing. Not only did he win the 2015 election as a 100-1 shot, emulating Norton's Coin's heroics in the 1990 Cheltenham Gold Cup, he then won another leadership election over Blairite challenger Owen Smith one year later, by an even bigger margin- a follow-up which not even Norton's Coin could manage.

In April 2017, Theresa May felt confident enough to call an early election, with the Tories well ahead in the polls. Throughout the campaign Corbyn was constantly vilified. On one day the Daily Mail devoted 13 pages to attacking Jeremy and his closest comrades, under the headline ‘Apologists for Terror’. On election day itself, the Sun exhorted its readers not to chuck Britain in the ’Cor-Bin’. On the front page Corbyn was described as a ’Marxist extremist’ a ’destroyer of jobs’, the ’enemy of business’ and a ’terrorists friend’. Got the message?

On election night however, it was the opponents of Corbyn who got the fright of their lives. Rather than being thrashed out of sight as so-called experts’ in sensible ‘centrist‘ publications had predicted, the exit poll predicted a hung Parliament. At one stage, as the first results began to come in, it even seemed as if Labour might win. In the end they just came up short, but the party, under Corbyn received 40% of the vote. It was the biggest increase in Labour’s share of the vote since 1945.

For a man we were told was ‘unelectable’, Jeremy Corbyn has a pretty good record at elections.

The Tories learnt their lesson. Despite all their internal disagreements, and the fact they don’t have a Parliamentary majority without DUP support, Theresa May hasn’t gone to the country again. She fears Corbyn- election campaigner par excellence- too much to do that.

But Boris Johnson’s resignation from the Cabinet in early July has changed things once again. The odds of a leadership challenge to May and an early general election have shortened. So it was time to take the campaign against Corbyn into ‘Lance-Corporal Jones dressing up as a nun’ territory.

The latest ‘Wreathgate’ Smears have been positively embarrassing. At first we were told that Corbyn laid wreaths at the graves of those who carried out the murderous attack on Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics. Then, when it emerged that the men weren’t buried there, but in fact in another cemetery in another country, the story changed to ‘Corbyn laid wreaths at the graves of those who masterminded the attack’. Then, when that was claim was challenged, the attack turned to Corbyn not declaring his trip to Tunisia under Parliamentary rules. Then, when it was suggested that he didn’t have to because his trip was below the cost declaration threshold, attention turned to the hotel he had stayed in. Did it really cost less than £660 for three days? Ever get the impression some people just want to get Corbs?

No doubt if/when it is proven that the hotel did cost less than the declaration threshold, attention will turn to whether or not Corbyn tipped the waiters, or whether he franked his ticket when he went on the public transport.

You don’t have to be a Corbynista to acknowledge that it’s all gone very silly.



What will the next smear be, I wonder? That Corbyn advised Pol Pot? Or perhaps 'documentary evidence' will emerge that proves Corbyn was a Luftwaffe pilot in the Battle of Britain, nine years before he was born.

Those behind the attacks on Corbyn would have been hoping that they would cost Labour support in the polls. In fact, the opposite seems to have happened. A BMG Research poll earlier in the week showed Labour two points ahead of the Tories-representing a four point swing.



Another NCP poll confirmed the lead. Meanwhile a You Gov poll showed that just 6% were following Wreathgate ‘very closely’.



Is that surprising given the many other things ordinary people have to worry about, such as rising rail fares and energy bills, falling or stagnating real wages, and the current crime wave?

It seems the more Corbyn is attacked, the more popular he and the Labour Party become. It’s not hard to work out why. The British public like an underdog. That’s why neutrals rooted for Yeovil against the mighty Sunderland in 1949 but Sunderland against the mighty Leeds in 1973. Even Tories are coming out now and saying that the treatment of the Labour leader has been disgraceful.



If the opponents of the Corbyn were wise they’d lay off a bit. They’re coming over as rather obsessive. People are asking, with very good reason: ‘why are you so keen for us to hate this man?’ What or who does he really threaten?



The ‘I’ word has to be mentioned. At the forefront of the campaign against Corbyn- a veteran campaigner for Palestinian rights and opponent of Middle Eastern wars of intervention, has been the pro-Israel lobby.

Jeremy Corbyn would be a big scalp for them, but in the short term, the lobby (we even had Benjamin Netanyahu himself joining in the attacks this week) want Corbyn and Labour’s NEC to agree to implementing the full IHRA definition of anti-Semitism which includes the clauses and examples in relation to criticism of Israel. The pressure on Corbyn to capitulate on IHRA ’in the interests of party unity’ is strong, but if he does, it would be a major strategic blunder. It is likely to lead to a mass purge of thousands of Corbyn supporters from the party because of past criticism of Israel and might even lead to Corbyn himself being suspended or expelled because of things he’s said. Adopting IHRA in toto would provide a means for the Labour Right to kill-off Corbyn’s democratic socialist project, which offers ordinary Britons the best hope of real positive change that they have had for decades.

It would be quite ironic if having seen off so many challenges, ‘The Corbynator’ then commits political hari-kari and does the one thing that could hand his opponents victory- when they themselves are so close to defeat.

Far better if Jezza watches that old episode of Dad’s Army again and tells his enemies, al a Captain Mainwaring,: You’ve gone too far.’
https://sputniknews.com/columnists/2018 ... palestine/
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Labour head Corbyn sat on panel alongside Hamas terror leaders in 2012

MP attended Doha conference with terror chief Khaled Mashaal and newly released Hamas members who oversaw deadly bombings during Second Intifada

UK Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn sat on a panel at a 2012 conference in Doha with several Palestinian terrorists sentenced for murder, according to a Sunday report, the latest in a series of exposés showing the embattled British politician alongside Palestinian terror groups.

At the conference, Corbyn shared the platform with then Hamas head Khaled Mashaal, who is on the UK sanctions list, the Daily Telegraph reported Sunday.

Another terrorist at the event was the former leader of Hamas’s military wing, Husam Badran.

As head of the armed wing, Badram oversaw a number of bombings by the terror group during the Second Intifada, including the 2001 bombings of Sbarro Pizza in Jerusalem which killed 15 people, and the Dolphinariam Discotheque in Tel Aviv, which killed 21.

Another participant was Abdul Aziz Umar, who received seven life sentences for his involvement in the 2003 bombing of Jerusalem’s Cafe Hillel, in which seven people were killed.

Badran and Umar were freed from Israeli jails in 2011, less than a year before the conference, as part of the prisoner exchange for the return of captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit.

Corbyn himself wrote afterwards in the Morning Star newspaper that the panel contained speakers who had been freed, “in return for the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit.”

He said that, “their contribution was fascinating and electrifying,” the Telegraph reported.

In video of the 2012 event, Badran says, “The nakba [the Palestinian term for the “catastrophe” of the community’s displacement during the 1948 Israel-Arab war] which made us refugees took place via force, and the return will be only viable through military and armed resistance and nothing else,” according to a Telegraph translation.

The Labour leader has in the past been criticized for calling terror groups Hamas and Hezbollah “friends” when inviting members for a parliamentary meeting in 2009. He later downplayed the comment and said he regretted using the term.

A spokesperson for Corbyn told the Telegraph that the Labour leader supports Palestinians in his quest for peace in the region.

“Jeremy has a long and principled record of solidarity with the Palestinian people and engaging with actors in the conflict to support peace and justice in the Middle East. That is the right thing to do,” he said.

During the conference, Corbyn also offered his support for Sheikh Raed Salah, the leader of the hard-line Islamist Northern Branch of the Islamic Movement in Israel, who at the time was facing deportation from the UK for hate speech.

The latest revelation came three days after The Times of London published a picture of Corbyn standing next to Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine chief Maher al-Taher, at a commemoration ceremony for the Black September terrorists who took part in the 1972 massacre of 11 Israelis at the Munich Olympics.

Corbyn’s participation in the October 2014 event, in which he was photographed laying a wreath near the terrorists’ grave, had already caused an uproar, provoking fierce reactions from British Jews and Israeli politicians alike.

Corbyn has attempted to downplay his involvement in the wreath-laying ceremony, telling Sky News that “I was present when [the wreath] was laid. I don’t think I was actually involved in it.”

He has also gone on the offensive against critics, issuing a scathing critique of Israel after being publicly reprimanded by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu earlier this week.

Corbyn said Netanyahu’s “claims about my actions and words are false” and that “what deserves unequivocal condemnation is the killing of over 160 Palestinian protesters in Gaza by Israeli forces since March, including dozens of children.”

These revelations follow intense scrutiny of Corbyn’s past and present statements about Israel and anti-Semitism, and his alleged failure to curb resurgent anti-Semitism within his party.

Last month, Labour pointedly decided not to adopt parts of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s working definition of anti-Semitism that related to Israel.

Jim Sheridan, a former MP and Corbyn ally, was suspended from Labour over the weekend after writing a Facebook post accusing Jews of plotting against Corbyn.

Sheridan wrote that he had lost “respect and empathy” for Britain’s Jews over their opposition to Corbyn. He lamented what the Jewish community “and their Blairite plotters are doing to my party and the long suffering people of Britain who need a radical Labour government.”

Footage from 2015 that resurfaced recently showed Corbyn endorsing the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement against Israel as “part and parcel of a legal process that has to be adopted.”

Corbyn had maintained that he opposes a blanket boycott of Israel, supporting instead only boycotting produce from Israeli settlements.

“Jeremy is not in favor of a comprehensive or blanket boycott,” a spokesperson for Corbyn told The Guardian in December. “He doesn’t support BDS. He does support targeted action aimed at illegal settlements and occupied territories.”

In the footage filmed in Belfast, he is asked: “Can the panel give hope to the people of Palestine by supporting the movement for Boycott Divestment and Sanctions against Israel?”

He replies: “I think the boycott campaign, divestment campaign, is part and parcel of a legal process that has to be adopted.” He later adds: “I believe that sanctions against Israel, because of its breach of the trade agreement, are the appropriate way of promoting [the] peace process.”

The footage was published in 2015 by Sinn Féin, the extremist nationalist Northern Irish political party that hosted Corbyn in Belfast.

JTA contributed to this report.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/labour-he ... s-in-2012/
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[size=50]UK Labour party leader Jeremy Corbyn (second right) attends a 2012 conference in Doha along with several Palestinian terrorists convicted of murdering Israelis. (Screen capture: Twitter)[/size]
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The aftermath of a suicide bombing at a Sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem in August 9, 2001, that killed 15 and wounded over 100 more. (Flash90)

So let's imagine that Corbyn becomes British PM.
How will he interact with the Egyptian Prsident ? He expressed solidarity with the Muslim Brotherhood and that organisation has been outlawed in Egypt, its leaders are all in jail or facing the death penalty.
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@Decky
The omelette looks OK if you are vegetarian.
Consorting and expressing friendship with known murderer terrorists is not.

Edit 1 : upon further thought, the omelette is a bit overcooked, the eggs will be too dry, they will miss that unique juicy wellness taste.

Edit 2 : As Mr Corbyn is applying for the job of British PM, he should concentrate on British matters and leave his fondness for Arabs and Arab terrorists as a hobby, not the essence of his being. This might not matter to you and some other misguided pofo posters but it might matter to a proportion of British voters and might lead to Labour having to spend another decade or two in the opposition.
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skinster wrote:Sorry but I don't trust any poll that states Theresa May has increased in ratings. :lol:

I generally don't care for polls anyway but that one I posted looks legit, obviously.



Or if traitors from his own party weren't busy serving their opponents and Israel.



Indeed, that doesn’t surprise me because you are a classic case of tribal epistemology.

You only accept articles and “facts” that match your narrative. We all do a bit of course but you take it to an embarrassing level. A lot of Corbyn and trump cultists do.

A good example of this is your constant quoting of rt via Twitter even though you claim to not like or trust the putin Regime. They purposely put out disinformation to manipulate useful pawns like you and you lap up.
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layman wrote:Labour could have been wiping the floor with the tories if they had a non retard at the helm.



I'm truly amazed that people have the chutzpah to make this ridiculous claim given the 3 year character assassination of a man. They know a lot of what the media and anti-Corbyn MPs state publicly is for no reason other than to reduce Corbyns chances of becoming PM, yet they childishly blame him when they're not doing well in the polls.

I know that you know it's a load of bollocks, why not man up and just admit that the reason why you're perpetuating this nonsense is because you're afraid of a socialist government? At least people can move on and have a genuine debate about the merits of policies etc. It's not like you're changing anyones opinion on these forums. Everyone knows your a Tory (albeit a 'soft Tory), and for example, skinster or decky is on the left, so why not get rid of the pretence.
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Ter wrote:Edit 2 : As Mr Corbyn is applying for the job of British PM, he should concentrate on British matters and leave his fondness for Arabs and Arab terrorists as a hobby, not the essence of his being. This might not matter to you and some other misguided pofo posters but it might matter to a proportion of British voters and might lead to Labour having to spend another decade or two in the opposition.


Yeah, all I can see is brown nosing and soft racism towards the 'oppressed classes'.

What is his platform exactly?

What is this magic he has that appeals to others? I'm personally politicianlergic so I think everyone is a twat.

layman wrote:Indeed, that doesn’t surprise me because you are a classic case of tribal epistemology.

You only accept articles and “facts” that match your narrative. We all do a bit of course but you take it to an embarrassing level. A lot of Corbyn and trump cultists do.

A good example of this is your constant quoting of rt via Twitter even though you claim to not like or trust the putin Regime. They purposely put out disinformation to manipulate useful pawns like you and you lap up.


There is no doubt that politics has replaced religion in the West. It has similar dogma and messianic ideas; the evil is the other side while "we" are the side of righteousness.

The West will eat itself up, thanks "right/left" divide.
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@demima

Yes I’m right wing and yes I’m afraid of a socialist government.

No the media is not the reason people don’t rate him. No one listens to the media anymore this isn’t the 1980s.

What amazes me is that they think the uk electorate is suddenly going to go socialist after rejecting it for decades based on this charmless goon. You could have 3 million party members spitting and shouting at people on social media but that doesn’t mean shit if the other 60 million don’t buy it.

The whole movement is a sad lesson in preaching to the converted. There is no attemp at persuading or compromise.

Even if this gimp wins it will be a hung parliament that will achieve nothing more than spooking the markets. You cannot have a radical programme without serious public backing and a strong leadership.

Labour have neither.
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Because the tories are doing very badly and brexit is likely to lead to a sharp downturn in the economy.

The manifesto for labour is going to be soft and Corbyn is purposely selling his myself as more moderate than he is to trick people.

If he does win it will only be a small win though. With only a slim majority he won’t get through any legislation like the nationalisation he wants so bad. Businesses will freak out though which will mean a similar outcome to Hollande in France.
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Well opinion is very partisan right now which is kind of my point. There is a very vocal hard left and hard Thatcherite wing in the uk that manifest or the Corbyn movement and the brexit movement.

While the wider public are getting a bit more radical, my opinion is that the silent majority is still pretty moderate. Social surveys don’t show a drastically different Britain from that under Blair.

Mainstream polls show labour and the tories roughly neck and neck. The most recent ones shows labour about a point ahead. It leadship polls are dire for Corbyn, this suggesting he is a blocker to power.

It’s important to remember here that being ahead by one or two points is not a good thing in the uk, especially with such a chaotic administration.

Kinnock was 10 points ahead at least in the polls but still lost. Another opinion of mine is that Corbyn did better than expected last time based on the underdog principle. No one thought he had a chance and the negative media coverage created a backlash. Similar to trump actually.

In fact labour strategists often use trump as a baseline. They want a left wing version.
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https://jamiesternweiner.wordpress.com/2017/10/12/labour-conference-or-nuremberg-rally-assessing-the-evidence/

There is no anti-Semitism scandal in Labour. It's totally made up. Individual incidents are whipped up, or never happened all. One that never happened at all is the claim a motion of Holocaust denial was issued on the floor of the Labour Party Conference. It wasn't, you can check the list yourself.


‘Labour antisemitism’: the evidence

Those alleging antisemitism at Labour’s conference all cite the same handful of incidents in support.[4] Strikingly, virtually every allegation concerns statements made by… Jews. Mike Katz of the JLM, in his address to conference, delivered a mangled version of the old cliché: two Jews, three opinions. But if the Jewish Chronicle, The Times, International Development Minister Priti Patel, the Board of Deputies, the Holocaust Educational Trust, the Equality and Human Rights Commission, et al. are to be believed, a modification is in order: two Jews, three antisemites.

If the claim that the Labour Party conference was terrorised by a thuggish vanguard of antisemitic Jews does not prima facie convince, investigation raises further doubts. In fact, not one of the specific allegations of antisemitism at the Labour Party conference withstands scrutiny. All either misrepresent events or impute antisemitism where none existed.
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I see this scandal is ongoing to beyond desperation levels. :D

layman wrote:Indeed, that doesn’t surprise me because you are a classic case of tribal epistemology.


:lol:
U wot m8?

You only accept articles and “facts” that match your narrative. We all do a bit of course but you take it to an embarrassing level. A lot of Corbyn and trump cultists do.


Says dude who believed the Salisbury assassination/poisoning story. You should be embarrassed for proving nothing here, ever, and sharing nowt besides your usual cucking for the establishment.

A good example of this is your constant quoting of rt via Twitter even though you claim to not like or trust the putin Regime. They purposely put out disinformation to manipulate useful pawns like you and you lap up.


The problem with people like you and your shit opinions, is that you don't prove anything, just talk nonsense. I post news from various sources, including the mainstream corporate media of which's schlong is firmly in your throat. RT is basically the BBC for Russia and if there's anything from its reporting that I posted that you want to dispute, go ahead. Crying about something weeks later means nothing to me or anyone else who's reading your weeping, even if you think your opinion is worth more than the couple of dog turds I passed on the way to the bus-stop this morning. :)
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