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Beren wrote:And you can't answer it? :lol:

I am not privy to the mundane financials of TV interviews. My point is that it isn't relevant. It's like suggesting Noam Chomsky is wrong about everything because he made millions of dollars selling books to chumps, or Nietzsche was wrong about everything because he died broke. This isn't even a tangent it is a red herring. Fact is I am going to ignore you unless you live by your own standard; come back when you are a broke deadbeat with zero income and then maybe I'll listen to your point of view. Bye.
By Sivad
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"When it comes to political representation for the little guy, it's not if you're out of the room you're out of the deal, it's if you're out of the room you're on the menu" - Steve Bannon
By Sivad
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skinster wrote:Women-beaters fascists FTL.



Bannon's a pig but he's worth paying attention to. He's one of the most important and successful political strategists on the scene and the right populist movement he's at the head of is absolutely indispensable for overthrowing the liberal elites and their depraved world order. I pay close attention to anyone who has demonstrated that they can move the needle politically at the national level.
By skinster
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Sivad wrote:Bannon's a pig but he's worth paying attention to.


No, I disagree 110%

He's one of the most important and successful political strategists on the scene and the right populist movement he's at the head of is absolutely indispensable for overthrowing the liberal elites and their depraved world order.


Only because he's a part of the other side of the same coin. Are you aware of what his world would like like? He put some of it into practice right after Trump got elected. I mean, right after the Russians elected Trump. :D

So your enemies' enemy is your m8? Well okay. But, no thanks. Never.
By Sivad
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skinster wrote:
So your enemies' enemy is your m8?


My enemy's enemy is useful. Making common cause with wingnut populists and right libertarians isn't any worse than working with gulagists and radical left identitarians. I need those wingnut populists to keep some of the idiocy on the progressive left in check.

Well okay. But, no thanks. Never.


Well then have fun being politically irrelevant forever.
By skinster
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The guy says nothing I've found interesting and I generally am not interested in listening to anything fascists say, even if they do hate on liberals. You might as well tell me to take Trump seriously. No thanks, not into white supremacists, ever.
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skinster wrote:The guy says nothing I've found interesting and I generally am not interested in listening to anything fascists say, even if they do hate on liberals. You might as well tell me to take Trump seriously. No thanks, not into white supremacists, ever.


Trump and Bannon are white supremacists and fascists? :lol:

I resent this as a former fascist and former white nationalist.

I suppose you think the Democrat party are communists too?

That would be about just as accurate of thing to say.
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By Rancid
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Hong Wu wrote:But Rancid, didn't you hear that the AIs keep coming out racist and sexist?


I feel like a future where the robots dictate everything is inevitable.

That is an interesting question though, once the robots become sentient, will they be racist?
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By Rancid
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Victoribus Spolia wrote:I resent this as a former fascists and former white nationalist.


What made you change from being a fascist and white nationalist?
By skinster
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Victoribus Spolia wrote:Trump and Bannon are white supremacists and fascists? :lol:


Yes. Didn't you notice?

I resent this as a former fascist and former white nationalist.


I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

I suppose you think the Democrat party are communists too?


I wouldn't wish death upon them regularly if I thought they were.

That would be about just as accurate of thing to say.


If you're stupid, sure. :)
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Rancid wrote:What made you change from being a fascist and white nationalist?


Thats a long story but there are several elements.

I left being a sort of Christian theocrat (Christian Reconstructionist/Covenanter) and Immaterialist for White nationalism and fascism in 2015 at some point following my own negative reaction to being falsely accused of racism at seminary which ruined my career. Though I was acquitted, the damage was done and in my anger (and in tandem with the growing online presence of the alt. right and the Trump phenomena) I fell into a dark place of "well if they call me a racist, maybe I am and should embrace it." That led me down a road that I am glad I went through but am also glad I am not longer in.

But to answer your question specifically;

1. The poor PR of the alt. right over sieg-heil gate and charlotteville became intolerable to me and caused me to want to disassociate with the movement.

2. Certain aspects of my faith ran into conflict with some seriously militant anti-Christians in the movement. Some of that exists in Ancap circles, but not very much and its not a zero-sum game. In Ancap circles if you are an atheist and I am a Christian, we don't try to genocide each other as that violates the NAP. In far-right circles you had "allies" that would admittedly exterminate you if they got power and you didn't.

3. I found a serious lack of logical basis for many of the arguments used by the white nationalists, I found that they could not by syllogized, and appeals to sentimentalism and nostalgia aren't enough in my opinion.

4. I never really had a problem with interracial marriage so long as it was gender-asymmentrical and assimilative. This made me a bit of an outlier as it was as I never bought into the genetic purity stuff. My scientific skepticism was also part of this and also put me at odds with large numbers of the racialists in the movement.

5. I became convinced that statism is contrary to traditionalism as a natural human expression and that fascism was merely a reactionary movement to desperately reimpose natural roles through an unnatural means that was not-tenable in itself.

6. I found that private property absolutism (anarcho-capitalism) had all the strengths of nationalism with none of its weaknesses and brought me back to the sort of logical and philosophical foundations I had years ago when I was Christian Reconstructionist and an Immaterialist, and so becoming an Ancap and leaving the alt.right was like coming home with a fresh and even more consistent vision.

So basically I'm back to my roots of immaterialism and theonomy but now within a more consistent AnCap package with some good intellectual experiences under my belt from going through the internet flame wars on the side of the alt.right.

I learned a lot from that movement and there are some really smart dudes in it, but i'm glad I came home.
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skinster wrote:Yes. Didn't you notice?


I didn't notice because that claim is nothing but improvable hysterics and hyperbole. Please prove to me otherwise.

skinster wrote:I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.


Apology accepted.

skinster wrote:I wouldn't wish death upon them regularly if I thought they were.


:eh:

Thats kinda overboard isn't it?

skinster wrote:If you're stupid, sure.


Not really, Trump and Bannon would never be accepted by actual fascists and actual white supremacists anymore than Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren would be accepted by actual communists.

The white nationalists I know think Trump and Bannon are shills for the Jews.

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