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By B0ycey
#14948566
Seeker8 wrote:https://twitter.com/GPWebb/status/1044125363926962177

So Labour are just offering soft or hard brexit in their peoples vote it seems.

Is there actually ANY benefit to soft brexit over just staying as a member? Anyone know?


Labour won't rule out a vote on remaining in the EU actually. But unfortunately Corbyn, Watson and McDonnell still have the Cherry Picker mentality and think the option of soft Brexit with all the trimmings is possible. They are in for a massive shock if they were given and won an election and turned up to Brussels with their reworded Chequers deal. :lol:

#Renew Britain
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By Beren
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layman wrote:He will go against his instincts in this in return for unity within his party (which he needs) and winning over a growing number of concerned remainders in the public who would never vote for him other wise.

He goes against his instincts because that's what political rationality dictates him to do, but he's not really a Brexiter anyway, as a Socialist he's a lot more interested in social issues than state affairs like Brexit. If he's really a democrat either, he has to respect the will of his party, voters, and the people of Britain too, it's hard to see how he could honestly oppose that they should have the final say. He seems to be against it mostly because he wants a general election, with which I agree.

@B0ycey wrote:His supporters that got him into power are not the Decky's of Stalin Socialists but new age liberations.

Corbyn will turn out to be a traitor as well, I'm afraid. ;)
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By JohnRawls
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Seeker8 wrote:@JohnRawls You don't think Europe should take in refugees from warzones like Syria?


We should take but not all. If they insist on coming in mass like it is now then we should enforce a filtering process.
By Atlantis
#14948596
Hungarian PM thanks UK Tory MEPs who voted against sanctions

The Tories are revealing their true face. They are supporting anti-liberal forces to destroy democracy and human rights in Europe. Today they are trying to prevent the EU from holding Orban to democratic standards, tomorrow they will blame the EU for tolerating deviations from democratic standards in Hungary.

It's all so sickening. The only consolation is that they will end up paying for their treachery.

In a signed letter to MEPs who voted with his Fidesz party, Orbán expressed his appreciation of “the support you’ve shown towards national sovereignty and solidarity during the vote”.

The European parliament voted earlier this month to launch the EU’s sanction process against Hungary, after concluding there was “a clear risk of a serious breach” of the EU’s democratic values. Most British Conservative MEPs opposed the plan.

Based on the findings of international observers, a European parliament report on Hungary listed concerns about the erosion of judicial independence, decline of press freedom, growing corruption, increasing xenophobic attacks on migrants, including asylum seekers.


How low can you sink? They would ally with the devil if it allowed them to fuck the EU. Just why they think that the EU should pamper them with a sweat deal in recompense is beyond me.
By Atlantis
#14948603
The Brits have been ripping off the EU while they were still in the EU and under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. Now Theresa May wants the EU to hand over its customs authority to the UK when it is no longer under European law after Brexit.

That degree of impertinence is mind-blowing.

EU sends second warning to UK over customs duty shortfall

The European Commission said on Monday it had sent Britain a second warning to recover 2.7 billion euros (2.42 billion pounds) in customs duties it failed to collect on Chinese imports between 2011 and 2017.

The move is the second step in the EU’s legal procedure against EU states who do not respect the bloc’s rules and comes in a crucial phase of talks for Britain’s exit from the EU.

“The United Kingdom now has two months to act; otherwise the Commission may refer the case to the Court of Justice of the EU,” the Commission said in a statement. Financial sanctions could follow if the court upholds the Commission’s view.

The alleged scam was unveiled last year by the EU’s anti-fraud office OLAF. It said imports of Chinese textiles and other products into Britain were declared at an artificially low value to reduce the level of customs duties raised, with a resultant impact on the EU’s budget which is funded by such duties.
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By Beren
#14948605
There's nothing really new here, there was good chemistry between Cameron and Orbán too. I wonder whether when Fidesz would have joined the European Conservatives and Reformists if Remain had won and Cameron had remained in power.

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By Nonsense
#14948678
B0ycey wrote:@Nonsense, all the benefits of the EU for ordinary citizens will be noticed under "Hard Brexit" conditions. You're in denile if you believe there are none. The size of your pension is one of them btw.

As for migrants, the can only "steal" a job if there is a vancany. The UK has low employment. The vast majority of migrants are not criminals. They are workers contributing to the economy.

As for housing, there is an issue and that is solely down to Thatcher and not the EU. You cannot sell off your nations housing stock and not build new housing to replace them and expect there not to be an issue in the future. Migrants don't take social housing. They take up private rent. The reason, because they are not entitled to social housing. The NHS needs migrants to run btw and terrorist are usually UK citizens of Asian heritage, not Eastern Europeans looking for work. To replace those workers under Hard Brexit conditions would likely mean more migrants from Pakistan btw. So all your fears are actually hightened outside the EU.


My pension has NOTHING to do with the E.U, like any other Englishman, I would be entitled to the same pension, whether in or out of the E.U & it's funny how many myths those on the 'Left' conjure out of thin air when it comes to justifying their prejudicial arguments.
As for housing, again, more myths, if a council house is sold, it makes no difference to the supply of housing for tenants, as neither the Tories, nor Labour built sufficient houses to meet the demand, in any case the 1980's were when the country was in an economic recession & house prices actually fell significantly.

What selling a council house, in FACT did, was to satisfy the demand for that house by those in need, so it was a positive thing, offset by ideological contempt for the poor by the Tories & New Labour anti-working class policies.
That's why virtually no new social housing was built in the time of Thatcher & Blair- Brown.

Migrants paying 'private' rent, claim housing benefit, or else they sub-let, because their wages do not cover the rents, it's another reason why the Tories don't build social housing, because the people they support, the BTL landlords, get the money from the taxpayer through those housing benefit payments, in addition to the capital appreciation of the asset's(houses)they are buying, paid for by the taxpayer through HB.

BOycey- "As for migrants, the can only "steal" a job if there is a vancany. The UK has low employment. The vast majority of migrants are not criminals. They are workers contributing to the economy".

Migrants do NOT 'steal' jobs, the jobs they take are jobs then not available by way of choice to the indigenous people of this country, it is called, 'displacement', a concept that those on the Left are in denial of.

Another myth of the Left is that, "migrants come here to work", back in 2008, ONS data gave a figure that said that, " within 6 months of arrival in this country" for just one benefit only (DLA) 6.8% of migrants were claiming that benefit, no doubt there was not one wheelchair or walking stick 'prop' amongst them.
The of course, there were all the other state benefits to claim, thanks to the £MILLIONS that New Labour spent on financing 'Advice' Centres for migrants, in order to help them claim such benefits.
Then again, New Labour created over 1 MILLION 'jobs' for migrants in the Civil Service, which the Tories reversed in 2010.

You may call the terrorist, "UK citizens of Asian heritage", I do NOT, I ONLY acknowledge 'English', 'Welsh', Scottish' or 'Irish' as being UK citizens, everyone else is of 'foreign' descent & should not be given 'citizenship' status.

The above does not mean that I dislike 'foreigners', on the contrary, I dislike the 'British', even though my ancestors arrived here in the Middle Ages from what is now Germany.
I have nothing against people from anywhere in the world coming here, what I am against, is, 'Social engineering' & 'uncontrolled immigration', factors that the two main political parties are guilty of.

Both are due to Maastricht(John Major's fault).


I could go on & on about the damage to this country's people by New Labour when they were in office.

I'm sure ,that people like you would never accept the FACTS, anymore than CORBYN accepts his racist tendencies, or his party's airbrushing disabled people out of the political narrative, or that Labour never ever mention, 'white English males', just women, gays, Muslims & unionist.

Unlike some people, the mist cleared from my eyes in the late 1950's with political parties, when age or experience runs it's course, deep cynicism is the result, as a result, my vote, as well as my freedom , is too precious to sign away by placing an'X' on a ballot paper.
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By Nonsense
#14948688
Nonsense wrote:My pension has NOTHING to do with the E.U, like any other Englishman, I would be entitled to the same pension, whether in or out of the E.U & it's funny how many myths those on the 'Left' conjure out of thin air when it comes to justifying their prejudicial arguments.
As for housing, again, more myths, if a council house is sold, it makes no difference to the supply of housing for tenants, as neither the Tories, nor Labour built sufficient houses to meet the demand, in any case the 1980's were when the country was in an economic recession & house prices actually fell significantly.

What selling a council house, in FACT did, was to satisfy the demand for that house by those in need, so it was a positive thing, offset by ideological contempt for the poor by the Tories & New Labour anti-working class policies.
That's why virtually no new social housing was built in the time of Thatcher & Blair- Brown.

Migrants paying 'private' rent, claim housing benefit, or else they sub-let, because their wages do not cover the rents, it's another reason why the Tories don't build social housing, because the people they support, the BTL landlords, get the money from the taxpayer through those housing benefit payments, in addition to the capital appreciation of the asset's(houses)they are buying, paid for by the taxpayer through HB.

BOycey- "As for migrants, the can only "steal" a job if there is a vancany. The UK has low employment. The vast majority of migrants are not criminals. They are workers contributing to the economy".

Migrants do NOT 'steal' jobs, the jobs they take are jobs, which are then not available by way of choice to the indigenous people of this country, it is called, 'displacement', a concept that those on the Left are in denial of.

Another myth of the Left is that, "migrants come here to work", back in 2008, ONS data gave a figure that said that, " within 6 months of arrival in this country" for just one benefit only (DLA) 6.8% of migrants were claiming that benefit, no doubt there was not one wheelchair or walking stick 'prop' amongst them.
Then of course, there were all the other state benefits to claim, thanks to the £MILLIONS that New Labour spent on financing 'Advice' Centres for migrants, in order to help them claim such benefits.
Then again, New Labour created over 1 MILLION 'jobs' for migrants in the Civil Service, which the Tories reversed in 2010.

You may call the terrorist, "UK citizens of Asian heritage", I do NOT, I ONLY acknowledge 'English', 'Welsh', Scottish' or 'Irish' as being UK citizens, everyone else is of 'foreign' descent & should not be given 'citizenship' status.

The above does not mean that I dislike 'foreigners', on the contrary, I dislike the 'British', even though my ancestors arrived here in the Middle Ages from what is now Germany.
I have nothing against people from anywhere in the world coming here, what I am against, is, 'Social engineering' & 'uncontrolled immigration', factors that the two main political parties are guilty of.

Both are due to Maastricht(John Major's fault).


I could go on & on about the damage to this country's people by New Labour when they were in office.

I'm sure ,that people like you would never accept the FACTS, anymore than CORBYN accepts his racist tendencies, or his party's airbrushing disabled people out of the political narrative, or that Labour never ever mention, 'white English males', just women, gays, Muslims & unionist.

Unlike some people, the mist cleared from my eyes in the late 1950's with political parties, when age or experience runs it's course, deep cynicism is the result, as a result, my vote, as well as my freedom , is too precious to sign away by placing an'X' on a ballot paper.
By B0ycey
#14948782
Nonsense wrote:My pension has NOTHING to do with the E.U, like any other Englishman, I would be entitled to the same pension, whether in or out of the E.U & it's funny how many myths those on the 'Left' conjure out of thin air when it comes to justifying their prejudicial arguments.


You are entitled to a state pension sure, but the value of that pension is determined by the government. What makes you think the government is going to allow this to remain untouched whilst other services suffer?

I am not one here who thinks that Brexit will be catastrophic or that the government will be forced to beg the EU for a deal under "Hard Brexit". They will have income from tarriffs after all. But key industry and 44% of exports rely on the EU. This will have an impact on the budget as under WTO rules all businesses will need to have tax subsidies to offset and attract business to these Isles not just ones that export to the EU. Then there are the job losses and JSA payments and inflation. The pound is likely to dip 10% too. The first thing any government will do is end the triple lock. The pension is already unaffordable actually. So yes, the EU is important to your pension.

As for housing, again, more myths, if a council house is sold, it makes no difference to the supply of housing for tenants, as neither the Tories, nor Labour built sufficient houses to meet the demand, in any case the 1980's were when the country was in an economic recession & house prices actually fell significantly.


Of course it makes a difference. Once the ownership of that property is private, the council cannot offer it as a residency if you don't live there.

What selling a council house, in FACT did, was to satisfy the demand for that house by those in need, so it was a positive thing, offset by ideological contempt for the poor by the Tories & New Labour anti-working class policies.
That's why virtually no new social housing was built in the time of Thatcher & Blair- Brown.


No, it was a quick buck with no concern to the future. It is another way the youth is being fucked over the the government. The older generation had affordable housing and the youth can't even get a mortgage. Thatcher ended social housing projects and only now are the government waking up to the seriousness of the problem.

Migrants paying 'private' rent, claim housing benefit, or else they sub-let, because their wages do not cover the rents, it's another reason why the Tories don't build social housing, because the people they support, the BTL landlords, get the money from the taxpayer through those housing benefit payments, in addition to the capital appreciation of the asset's(houses)they are buying, paid for by the taxpayer through HB.


They can only claim support if they are entitled to support. Your claim doesn't have much foundation to it actually as it goes by household income.
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By ingliz
#14948791
Nonsense wrote:My pension has NOTHING to do with the E.U.

A no deal Brexit will fuck me up good and proper. Under EU rules, having worked and paid stamp in the UK, I am entitled to a pro rata British state pension as well as my Maltese pension. I will lose a third of my income, if the UK crashes out.

According to 'Project Fear', I could lose my BL pension too

As it is, I have lost around 20% of my UK pension due to the fall in the pound.

:lol:


p.s. If you didn't laugh, you would cry.
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By layman
#14948792
@Seeker8 it is not a straight up lie but a political lie. I mean even the dodgy dossier on Iraq was just a “prediction” on an extreme scenario none thought was true.

If you point to the extreme positive prediction on oil prices which people tell you won’t happen and you know it’s highly unlikely you are basically lying. In the same way the growth forecasts they are now making of 5-6 percent are not impossible but massive Spin to the point of lying.

I am not comparing to Tory lies and only making this specific point. Nationalists seem to be virtually unique in the western work in thinking that snp politicians only tell the truth.
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By Seeker8
#14948806
layman wrote:@Seeker8 it is not a straight up lie but a political lie. I mean even the dodgy dossier on Iraq was just a “prediction” on an extreme scenario none thought was true.

If you point to the extreme positive prediction on oil prices which people tell you won’t happen and you know it’s highly unlikely you are basically lying. In the same way the growth forecasts they are now making of 5-6 percent are not impossible but massive Spin to the point of lying.

That's what all the tabloids say isn't it? Do you have anything more reliable to prove that?
Are the OBR liars too?

Here's something from someone who actually does proper research and uses facts:
https://wingsoverscotland.com/pick-a-card-any-card/

Not gonna post it all here but you can read through it and point out where it's factually incorrect for me.

A small snippet:
wings over scotland wrote:The imaginary figures for future UK oil revenues released yesterday by the Office for Budget Responsibility (which is amusingly pretending it has some sort of idea what the proceeds from the world’s most infamously volatile industry will be 25 years from now when it can’t get anywhere close to accurate three-MONTH predictions) saw the OBR downgrade its OWN previous figure of £37bn – not the SNP’s – to just £2bn.

Let’s just say that again – despite the lie in the Record’s headline that the SNP had been predicting a figure of £37bn, that number was actually a projection by the OBR.



Nationalists seem to be virtually unique in the western work in thinking that snp politicians only tell the truth.

:lol:
"Nationalists" or normal people who want their country to be run by their own government?

Yanis Varoufakis, 24th September 2018
Yanis Varoufakis has weighed into the debate on a potential second independence referendum, with the former Greek finance minister urging Nicola Sturgeon to base economic plans for an independent Scotland around the creation of a separate currency.

Speaking exclusively to Holyrood, Varoufakis said he would back independence if he lived in Scotland, but warned the SNP against repeating its 2014 blueprint, based around a shared pound.

Varoufakis also differentiated between the Scottish independence movement and nationalism in other states, characterising Scotland as “welcoming to refugees, to migrants, to foreigners like me” and describing the Yes campaign as “cuddly”.

The SNP’s independence White Paper contained proposals for Scotland to share the pound in the event of a Yes vote.

But in an interview with Holyrood, economist and academic Varoufakis described the idea of sharing the pound after independence as “ludicrous”.

He said: “If I were living here, I would vote for Scottish independence, on one condition. A separate currency. Alex Salmond’s great error, which I very much fear Nicola Sturgeon is going to repeat, was to propose independence while keeping the pound. That is nonsense. It is ludicrous. Don’t do it again.”

“I remember talking to my friends in Scotland, those in the SNP, back then and said to them: ‘If you say you are going to keep the pound, you are giving London a fantastic opportunity to rubbish you by saying no, you can’t have it. Bugger off.’ Which is what they did.”

He added: “Scottish nationalism has nothing to do with English nationalism, German nationalism or Greek nationalism. It’s very cuddly. It’s cuddly.

“I would call it patriotism, I wouldn’t even call it nationalism. I make this distinction, and my definition might be wrong but I stick to it. A patriot loves his country, a nationalist thinks his country is superior to the others. I don’t think the Scots think that. That’s why this place is so open, welcoming to refugees, to migrants, to foreigners like me. Whereas English nationalism is not. You can see that with the Scots voting in favour of staying in the EU.”


Of course they don't always tell the truth, but like i said before they have almost the whole media as their enemies so the slightest whiff of a lie and it's all over the airwaves. They don't have much choice.
@layman BTW, you didn't answer who you support/vote for?
By Rich
#14948916
Decky wrote:Edit: Also

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Brexit will be a glorious success, there are plenty of other countries out there.

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Winston Churchill wrote:Even if Czech and Polish immigration to Britain last for a thousand years, men will say "This was their finest hour."

Polish and Czech fighter pilots did three times the work, had three times the kills of the lazy British fighter pilots. Plus ca change -
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By Beren
#14949155
Seeker8 wrote:@layman BTW, you didn't answer who you support/vote for?

He could support/vote for Theresa May for life perhaps, because anyone else could only be worse and the Brexit process could last forever and the UK would never virtually leave the EU with her as PM. :lol:

Anyway, here's an interview with Corbyn. Quite pathetic and reaches its low at 4:40, but very telling.

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By Nonsense
#14949167
B0ycey wrote:You are entitled to a state pension sure, but the value of that pension is determined by the government. What makes you think the government is going to allow this to remain untouched whilst other services suffer?

NONSENSE - It would be a pretty stupid government that even thought about doing such a thing, individuals-yes :knife: but not governments.

Put it another way, there are thousands of different ways to make more cuts, without punishing the elderly for the economic-political mistakes of those that profess to run the country.
It's about PRIORITIES as well, starving the elderly is simply not realistic, we are the idiots that built the country post-war & have been denied(those pensioners in the two bottom quintile income groups), whilst the rich-better off in work get £40 BILLION a year in tax reliefs, to pump into their nice little personal pension scheme funds.

Then there are the young people, whose parents have been feather-bedded with generous state benefits for their children, education that has taught them to have the same sense of entitlement as the royal family, to be 'non-conventional' ,to stick two fingers up at the elderly that created & financed their unhealthy lifestyles.


I am not one here who thinks that Brexit will be catastrophic or that the government will be forced to beg the EU for a deal under "Hard Brexit". They will have income from tarriffs after all. But key industry and 44% of exports rely on the EU. This will have an impact on the budget as under WTO rules all businesses will need to have tax subsidies to offset and attract business to these Isles not just ones that export to the EU. Then there are the job losses and JSA payments and inflation. The pound is likely to dip 10% too. The first thing any government will do is end the triple lock. The pension is already unaffordable actually. So yes, the EU is important to your pension.


BOycey "Then there are the job losses and JSA payments and inflation. The pound is likely to dip 10% too. The first thing any government will do is end the triple lock. The pension is already unaffordable actually. So yes, the EU is important to your pension".

NONSENSE -
You presume that job losses will occur , but the rate of jobs created offsets the losses all the time the economy is growing, were unemployment, with consequent increases in public spending funding it, people would want to acquire new jobs, or tell migrants that lose their jobs, to go home if they here on work visas, or fend for themselves if not entitled to benefits.

The young people want a multicultural society, let them pay for it when it goes pear-shaped, because they may not know it, but they are already having their retirements 'reshaped' by this government & they don't even know it.

You don't appear to know how the 'pay-as-you-go' state pension system works, otherwise you would know that your
'opinion' on it was erm! NONSENSE', so, NO the EU is NOT 'important' to the affordability of the state pension.
I have made the point above about where fiscal savings can be made, £40 BILLION a year of tax reliefs are enjoyed each year by the rich, better-off, including the pension fund companies.

Make the above groups earn their pensions in the market-NOT from the nation's Treasury or from poorer existing pensioners.
From your repeated attacks on pensioners in general, you seem to be deeply prejudiced about them, maybe with time you will 'moderate' your attitude to the subject?


BOyceye-
Of course it makes a difference. Once the ownership of that property is private, the council cannot offer it as a residency if you don't live there.

NONSENSE- The above doesn't compute, "Is everything alright Dave"? to quote HAL.

NO, it DOES NOT make a 'difference', 'ownership' is irrelevant, it's 'occupancy' that matters & you assume 'wrongly' that it does matter.
Whether someone ^ lives there or not, is nothing to do with a 'council'.
In terms of availability of property for someone in need of housing, suitable properties are there, it's the law of the market,in addition to the price.
You assume again that 'councils' are the only agent that satisfies demand for housing with it's supply, which is NONSENSE.
If there were a 'problem', like so many of them in this country, it harks back to the population level & the part that migration plays in it.

It's the young people's prerogative to 'want' more migration, but it's not their choice to be in denial when it causes 'problems' with housing, jobs, poverty, then blame it on the elderly, it merely illustrates that the education system in this country teaches the young little about the realities of real life & to say(as CORBYN does)that , 'it's a lack of money being spent by the government, that's the cause of it all'.

Just how do you think the majority of the elderly acquired the homes they live in, the pensions that some enjoy?

In the majority of cases, it was blood-sweat-tears that worked, perhaps the young ought to try it, because productivity is virtually non-existent in this country.







No, it was a quick buck with no concern to the future. It is another way the youth is being fucked over the the government. The older generation had affordable housing and the youth can't even get a mortgage. Thatcher ended social housing projects and only now are the government waking up to the seriousness of the problem.

NONSENSE - You blame 'government' for the feckless way that the youth of today squanders it's wealth, then have the audacity to demand that the youth have more of the nations 'wealth', get real, you are off the chart, the youth haven't done anything with their lives, either to make it, or to complain that they have been 'screwed' over by government.

You are unbelievable, maybe you are simply 'trolling' & need to get a life.

Do you spend most of your time online gaming, or are you a 'night owl', you know, a 'nocturnal' creature of the night? :lol: :lol:

They can only claim support if they are entitled to support. Your claim doesn't have much foundation to it actually as it goes by household income.
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By Nonsense
#14949172
Beren wrote:He goes against his instincts because that's what political rationality dictates him to do, but he's not really a Brexiter anyway, as a Socialist he's a lot more interested in social issues than state affairs like Brexit. If he's really a democrat either, he has to respect the will of his party, voters, and the people of Britain too, it's hard to see how he could honestly oppose that they should have the final say. He seems to be against it mostly because he wants a general election, with which I agree.


Corbyn will turn out to be a traitor as well, I'm afraid. ;)



NONSENSE - I don't know about 'traitor', I think he's just delusional, because he will(Like MAY)be faced with the facts of life about being a client of the EU from the outside.

We, the people have made our choice, the rest of them just need to open wide & take their 'medicine'.

Most of the working class had had enough of the Liberal 'elite' giving our wealth away to migrants milking our welfare system & all CORBYN wants to do is borrow more money in order to give more of it away to foreigners.
By Decky
#14949196
Rich wrote:Polish and Czech fighter pilots did three times the work, had three times the kills of the lazy British fighter pilots. Plus ca change -


The Czechoslovakians rolled over without a fight and the Poles lasted a month. Pull the other one it had bells on. :lol: The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
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By Beren
#14949350
The Guardian wrote:Tories rule out striking Brexit deal in line with Corbyn's demands

In his speech to the Labour conference yesterday Jeremy Corbyn made a direct offer to Theresa May: negotiate a Brexit deal on Labour’s terms, and Labour will back it, he said.

Today we’ve had an official response from the Conservatives. And it’s a no.

Brandon Lewis, the Tory chairman, turned down Corbyn’s offer in an interview with the Evening Standard. He said:

"Look, I would hope the Labour party and all parliamentarians would back the prime minister’s deal.

The problem with what Labour outlined is that would not allow us to do global trade deals and therefore doesn’t respect the referendum."


This won’t come as much of a surprise to Corbyn, who was probably motivated in what he said more by the desire to show that Labour is not blocking Brexit than by any expectation that May was going to agree. (Corbyn said Labour would back a deal including a customs union with the EU, something May has directly ruled out and something that would be anathema to many of her MPs.)

In his Standard interview, Lewis also claimed that the Conservative party membership was “actually ... quite supportive” of May’s Chequers plan - despite a ConservativeHome survey suggesting that only 7% of members want her to persist with the proposal.

He also revealed that, at the conference starting this weekend, the party will unveil an interactive conference app which will allow people to provide feedback during cabinet minister’s speeches.

In the circumstances, that could turn out to be a brave move.



I really wonder what the media expected or thought when they stormed Keir Starmer (at 4:18). They pick up on everything like it's gold.

ImageJeremy Corbyn in Brussels taking part in the inauguration of a square named after Jo Cox, the Labour MP
murdered in 2016. This afternoon he is meeting Michel Barnier. Photograph: Yves Herman/Reuters
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By Beren
#14949421
The Guardian wrote:Jeremy Hunt, the foreign secretary, has warned the EU that the UK will “not keep coming back” to the negotiating table with more Brexit proposals. Speaking to Sky News, he said that Theresa May had already put forward “sensible proposals” and said the time was now for engagement from the EU.

I wonder whether May and the EU just gave up on each other, the EU has a new favourite perhaps.

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Corbyn says he was not negotiating Brexit during 'useful' meeting with Barnier
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By Seeker8
#14949471
Beren wrote:He could support/vote for Theresa May for life perhaps, because anyone else could only be worse and the Brexit process could last forever and the UK would never virtually leave the EU with her as PM. :lol:

Anyway, here's an interview with Corbyn. Quite pathetic and reaches its low at 4:40, but very telling.



A lot of people seem embarrassed to admit they vote tory. Maybe because they know it's a selfish vote for themselves rather than their country.

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Corbyn is a good, principled man but unfortunately not great in arguments and debates, he's quite poor in holding the tories to account in parliament. i think mcdonnell would have made a better leader.
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