Godstud wrote:So then @Victoribus Spolia, when you refer to the left, you are not talking about Democrats or Liberlas, then?
Obviously Not. I tried to make very clear in the OP that true leftists are communists and socialists. However, I stress "consistent" because there are many "so-called" and "self-proclaimed" "leftists" that vote Democrat and support gun-control, they in particular are the object of my critique in the OP.
Godstud wrote:If not, then I am incorrect in my assessment and I am wrong.
Yes you were wrong, but I am ALSO critiquing leftists who would associate with democrat and liberal parties and politics (especially on guns), and liberals/democrats who "think" they are true leftists (revolutionary communists). Communists who support Democrats are inconsistent and Democrats who think they are communists are deluded.
Godstud wrote:As I already mentioned, you can be pro-gun and pro-gun control. The two are not mutually exclusive.
They are if you are on the far-left, the true left. If you are a communist or a socialist of the real left, gun control is antithetical to your doctrine of proletarian revolution.
That is my point.
If you are a consistent Leftist, you would want military grade assault rifles to be easily accessible to the average working class person in America (or any other western country).
Full-Stop.This implies that real Leftists should oppose efforts by the Democrat party or other liberal parties in the west to impose gun control on things like semi-automatic rifles such as AR-15s, restricting magazine size, and restricting modifications like bump-stocks.
All such gun-control is counter-productive to creating an armed working class that is ready to take control of the means of production via revolution. So do you understand my point now? Let me know if you need explanation, but I think others ranging from @Pants-of-dog , @Red_Army, @Bulaba Jones, @annatar1914 , and @Potemkin have been pretty explicit as to what Marxist doctrine actually implies.
Why they aren't more bold on such points in threads where gun control is being debated is somewhat beyond me, but the fact is, like it or not, Right-Libertarianism and Communism share this same basic premise (without qualification);
that the common man should be able to retain military grade weapons to use against the current state if necessary. The reasons may be different, but that basic premise is in fact a shared one.
Let that sink in for a bit. Potemkin wrote:I voted yes. The working class should be armed and dangerous. Do you think the ruling class will abolish capitalism and liquidate themselves as a class just because enough workers vote for it? Lol! If I had my way, there would be people standing on every street corner handing out assault rifles to anyone who wanted one. And if the working class cannot be 'trusted' with weapons, then Communism is nonsense and we're all wasting our time anyway.
Good post, this does seem to be the position of the true left, I don't know why some like @Pants-of-dog want to pussy foot around about this, but what you have just argued seems to me to be in the spirit of actual revolutionary political theory.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Maybe later, when you are not swearing.
B0ycey wrote:And people, let us not confuse why VS has currently got this opinion now. He now understands that the US state is the main obstacle in his Ancap dystopian wet dream and he wants the communists to help him bring down the establishment. As if the opinions of the Communists on PoFo could ever counter the patriotism of redneck America and bring down the government. But whatever. We must maintain our dreams I guess.
Yeah......this is not true at all. I don't want commies around in Ancapistan if I can help it.....
At the same time, I think we need to clear the air about what Communists and Leftists
ACTUALLY believe if they are consistent.
If you are a far-left thinker following the ideas of revolution from the likes of Marx, Che, Stalin, or Lenin.....you should be very pro-gun and be against political efforts to regulate firearms in any manner that would prevent the working class from having access to military grade weapons. As a practical example:
If you are a communist in the U.S., you should oppose any efforts by the Democrat party to ban semi-automatic assault rifles, bump-stocks, etc. In fact, if you are hard-left in the U.S., and are consistent, you would want the full-automatic rifle ban passed back in the 1980s entirely reversed.
That is just a fact.