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skinster wrote:If you don't think Steve Bannon is a white supremacist, that's your problem.


Accuracy is a wonderful problem to have.
By Sivad
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The Panthers and the Patriots
The story of how a group of poor whites in Chicago united with the Black Panthers to fight racism and capitalism.

In the fall of 1968, a Methodist church invited the Young Patriots to give a presentation about their work alongside Bob Lee of the Illinois Black Panther Party. The audience — mostly white, liberal, and middle-class — treated the Panthers with curiosity, but expressed open hostility toward the Patriots. Lee had never seen anything like it: white people attacking poor whites. He rose to the Patriots’ defense. Afterward, he suggested the two groups collaborate.

It was an ambitious undertaking. Then as now, Chicago was sharply segregated along racial and ethnic lines. Lee spent three weeks in Uptown getting to know the Patriots and their neighbors before mentioning the idea of an alliance to Fred Hampton, the chairman of the Illinois Panthers.

But Hampton was enthusiastic upon hearing Lee’s proposal, and dubbed the fledgling alliance the “Rainbow Coalition.” He even accepted the Patriots’ use of the Confederate flag. According to Thurman, Hampton said, “If we can use that to organize, if we can use it to turn people, then we need to do it.”

[...]

“The Rainbow Coalition was all about identity politics,” said scholar Jakobi Williams, author of From the Bullet to the Ballot: The Illinois Chapter of the Black Panther Party and Racial Coalition Politics in Chicago. “Folks were not asked to abandon their identities, but to use their identities as a way of building bridges to form alliances on poverty or whatever other issue that they believed to be important.”

Though short lived, the Young Patriots and the Rainbow Coalition showed that working-class movements can overcome significant divides (even Confederate flags) to unite around issues like poverty, corruption, and police brutality. The fierce resistance they faced from elites, both liberal and conservative, underscores the potency of their radical project.

A few years ago, Hy Thurman restarted two chapters of the Young Patriots in Alabama. Already he’s attracted a younger cohort of supporters. A multiracial group of teens and twenty-somethings, after learning of Thurman’s history, reached out to him and became his collaborators. Thurman has also linked up with Chuck Armsbury, a former Patriot Party member who lives in rural Washington State. Their goal: to revive the organization as an antidote to the pervasive despair in poor and working-class white communities.

It’s a tall order. But we can be sure of one thing: Fred Hampton and “Preacherman” Fesperman would be proud.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/blac ... ed-hampton


By skinster
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There are white poors of America who align with the left, some of them were out in Charlottesville (I can't remember the name of the one group but if someone mentioned their name again I would remember). I don't think those guys or the people in your article would give a shit about Steve Bannon, since he's a white supremacist and on the right.

Will check out that Hedges interview. :up:
I disagree with him on some issues, such as his position on antifa re: Charlottesville - he wrote about it in that new book - but I'll still be his frand. :D
By Sivad
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skinster wrote: I don't think those guys or the people in your article would give a shit about Steve Bannon, since he's a white supremacist and on the right.


You're missing the point. It's not about Steve Bannon, it's about the issues that are getting traction with working class deplorables. I pay attention to Bannon because he knows what plays with those people. He knows what their issues are and he knows what kind of messaging is effective. And just from watching a few Bannon interviews I can see all kinds of angles the left could use to hijack a good chunk of that right populist movement. Bannon is doing the same thing, he pays close attention to left populism and he's already talking about peeling off support from the Sanders movement.

antifa


is a joke. None of those stupid radical groups on the right or left are worth paying attention to. None of them will ever move the needle.
By skinster
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If I was missing the point, I'd be calling other working class people "deplorables", Hillary :D

Bannon is good at selling bullshit, yes. So is Rachel Maddow.

Hedges also knows the issues of interest to working class Americans. I'd rather listen to him over fascists like Bannon, but enjoy yourself. I'm sure that super rich guy who wishes for a holy war against Islam and having a massive massive military to fight wars for America cares about you and your interests.

is a joke. None of those stupid radical groups on the right or left are worth paying attention to. None of them will ever move the needle.


I don't care for antifa much but they were welcome at Charlottesville and are welcome at protests against violent fascists - that Bannon supports - because those are scary places to be if your numbers are few and some are willing to fight back.
By Sivad
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skinster wrote:If I was missing the point, I'd be calling other working class people "deplorables", Hillary :D


It's remarkable how little socialists know about the working class. The working class are deplorables, they're so ignorant and bigoted they vote in people like Trump. They're so dedicated to their ignorance that they even put it ahead of their own self-interest.

Bannon is good at selling bullshit, yes.


He's a world class bullshit artist, which means 75% of what he says is true. It's that 75% that the left can work with. In a lot of ways the populist right is even ahead of the left in its understanding of the establishment.

Hedges also knows the issues of interest to working class Americans
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Then you should listen to him, he's saying the same thing I am. Nader's also been working on putting together a populist left-right coalition. Anybody who's serious about overthrowing the corporate establishment is going to be working towards a left-right coalition.

[center-img]https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Ib5pOFqkL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg[/center-img]

I'd rather listen to him over fascists like Bannon, but enjoy yourself.


I don't get my opinions from anybody, I do my own thinking.
By skinster
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Sivad wrote:It's remarkable how little socialists know about the working class.


:D

The working class are deplorables, they're so ignorant and bigoted they vote in people like Trump. They're so dedicated to their ignorance that they even put it ahead of their own self-interest.


Not sure what this has to do with anything I posted.

He's a world class bullshit artist, which means 75% of what he says is true. It's that 75% that the left can work with.


You sound a bit like the UK liberal I chatted with earlier, who was telling me the BBC must be balanced if both the left and the right hate it. :D :?: :eh:

Then you should listen to him, he's saying the same thing I am. Nader's also been working on putting together a populist left-right coalition. Anybody who's serious about overthrowing the corporate establishment is going to be working towards a left-right coalition.


He's not saying the same thing you're saying. He thinks Steve Bannon is a white supremacist, kind of like #metoo. :D
By Sivad
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skinster wrote:Not sure what this has to do with anything I posted.


You were giving me shit about referring to the working class as deplorables and I'm explaining that they really are deplorables.

You sound a bit like the UK liberal I chatted with earlier, who was telling me the BBC must be balanced if both the left and the right hate it. :D :?: :eh:


I don't sound anything like that because I'm not stupid like that person.

He's not saying the same thing you're saying. He thinks Steve Bannon is a white supremacist, kind of like #metoo. :D


Yeah, he's not hung up on Bannon like you. He's past that stupid shit and trying to find common ground between right and left populists.
By skinster
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Sivad wrote:You were giving me shit about referring to the working class as deplorables and I'm explaining that they really are deplorables.


Okay, Hillary.

I don't sound anything like that because I'm not stupid like that person.


Opinions are a matter of perspective, Hillary. :D

Yeah, he's not hung up on Bannon like you. He's past that stupid shit and trying to find common ground between right and left populists.


If I was hung up on Bannon, I would post about him more, I was merely responding to this thread where someone apparently on the left is promoting rightwing scum like Bannon. Not sure how many different ways to say it, but I can't work with white supremacists, since they want to kill me. Hedges and Dore can conflate white supremacists with poor rightwingers in the US but they're not the same, give me Redneck Revolt - who were allied with the left and antifa at Charlottesville - over the Proud Boys, thanks.
By Sivad
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skinster wrote: promoting rightwing scum like Bannon.


:knife: I'm not promoting Bannon, Bannon is glomming on to right populist issues that should also be left populist issues. What Bannon is saying is absolutely correct and the fact that he's saying it means it has a lot of traction with the right populists. Just stop being dense about it and try to grasp what's happening here.

Not sure how many different ways to say it, but I can't work with white supremacists, since they want to kill me.


Bannon is not addressing white supremacists, he's addressing right populists, that's who you need to be working with.

Hedges and Dore can conflate white supremacists with poor rightwingers in the US but they're not the same


You're conflating the two, Hedges and Dore fully get it, you're the one that's confused.
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By skinster
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Sivad wrote::knife: I'm not promoting Bannon, Bannon is glomming onto right populist issues that should also be left populist issues. What Bannon is saying is absolutely correct and the fact that he's saying it means it has a lot of traction with the right populists. Just stop being dense about it and try to grasp what's happening here.


How about you stop being a condescending prick to anyone that disagrees with you? I don't give a flying fuck about Bannon and never will. I hope that's clear.

Bannon is not addressing white supremacists, he's addressing right populists, that's who you need to be working with.


Yes he is. He doesn't give a fuck about poor whites in America, besides using them as pawns for the US military wars he wants, particularly with one religion. :lol:

You're conflating the two, Hedges and Dore fully get it, you're the one that's confused.


No I'm not. I'm quite clear. Hedges on the other hand is not, because he should be clear when talking about rightwing poors and white supremacists, the latter of whom the left cannot work with simply because they want us dead.
By Sivad
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skinster wrote:Yes he is. He doesn't give a fuck about poor whites in America, besides using them as pawns for the US military wars he wants, particularly with one religion. :lol:


You keep restating the bleeding obvious like you think I'm missing it. I know exactly who Bannon is and what he's about. The point here is that regardless of his goals or motivations he's crafted a anti-establishment message that has broad popular appeal on the right and very little in that message is directly antithetical to the left agenda. If the left can get past its partisan rancor it has a real opportunity to form a powerful coalition that could overthrow the neoliberal establishment. This is it, populist sentiment from the right and left is converging, a historical moment is developing and we need to knock off the bullshit and capitalize on it.


No I'm not. I'm quite clear.


You're clearly not getting it.

Hedges on the other hand is not, because he should be clear when talking about rightwing poors and white supremacists, the latter of whom the left cannot work with simply because they want us dead.


White supremacists are politically irrelevant, they're like .001% of the population. You are gonna have to work with pig ignorant deplorables but those people don't want you dead, they don't even hate you, they just want to shutdown immigration, keep their guns, and get rid of identity politics. They may not be socially enlightened but they're not white supremacists.
By Sivad
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If we are to succeed we will have to make alliances with people and groups whose professed political stances are different from ours and at times unpalatable to us. We will have to shed our ideological purity. Saul Alinsky, whose successor, Ed Chambers, was Gecan’s mentor, argued that the ideological rigidity of the left—something epitomized in identity politics and political correctness—effectively severed it from the lives of working men and women. This was especially true during the Vietnam War when college students led the anti-war protests and the sons of the working class did the fighting and dying in Vietnam. But it is true today as liberals and the left dismiss Trump supporters as irredeemable racists and bigots and ignore their feelings of betrayal and very real suffering. Condemning those who support Trump is political suicide. Alinsky detested such moral litmus tests. He insisted that there were “no permanent enemies, no permanent allies, only permanent interests.”

“We have to listen to people unlike ourselves,” Gecan said, observing that this will be achieved not through the internet but through face-to-face relationships. “And once we’ve built a relationship we can agitate them and be willing to be agitated by them.”
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/build ... or-revolt/
By skinster
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Sivad wrote:You keep restating the bleeding obvious like you think I'm missing it.


Actually, you did miss it, in the sense that you ignored me pointing out Bannon's dreams of holy war with Muslim states. You are welcome to be dismissive of that, I can't ignore that. I've no interest in the people he sings for, who go to small towns to beat up Black people and sing songs about not being replaced by Jews and such. Who believe Mexicans are rapists. Who love corporations.

The point here is that regardless of his goals or motivations he's crafted a anti-establishment message that has broad popular appeal on the right and very little in that message is directly antithetical to the left agenda.


So why not go to his fanboys and tell them to align themselves with leftists instead? :lol:

Besides, left orgs already work with some right groups, like Redneck Revolt, as they did at Chartlottesville. It's not like the left are completely intolerant of the right, just white supremacists, since again, they want everyone who isn't them to get dead quick.

You're clearly not getting it.


No, you.

White supremacists are politically irrelevant, they're like .001% of the population.


.001% of America is white supremacist. :D
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.00001 would be closer and probably still a little high.
By Baff
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Beren wrote:So which one do you believe to have happened, @SolarCross? Euronews paid Bannon or the other way around? ;)

Either Euronews paid him, or he did it for free.

Probably free.

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