One Degree wrote:Saying a system can be cheated is an excuse for not implementing it makes no sense. We would not have a single government program based upon that reasoning. Should we apply it to our safety net programs?
State ID’s are the leaders in trying to prevent counterfeits. They are the likely experts to use. They also offering the easiest access to citizens.
What do you make of your video saying there are only 3 million without photo ID when there are 30 million illegals? Seems like election fraud would not be that difficult with those statistics.
Let’s analyze the last 2 pages worth of “debate” if we can even call it so.
- First you make a claim that there is rampant voter fraud going around in California with no evidence.
1. - When this is pointed out to you, you ignore the point and don’t show evidence and the closest you get to bring something that supports your point is merely extrapolation that you think it MIGHT be happning because they allow voting in some lesser, less impactful elections at the local level. Furthermore, at this point you don’t even make the attempt to quantify how severe this “fraud” is. After all, there is a huge difference between few dozen cases nationwide that have been confirmed to the millions claimed in just 1 state. Perspective matter. I am sure there are old people that vote twice because they forgot. Individuals that intentionally vote in two states and many other examples, but this is by enlarge, as far as the evidence that we have, a relatively tiny and inconsequential problem.
- Then, without really addressing proof of your point, you go into a tangent trying to point out what you think would be a solution to this problem. I want to point out at this point you have not even proved that the problem that you are trying to solve even exists to begin with. The problem is, the solution that you are proposing and criticizing your opposition for, IS NOT even addressing the problem that you think you are trying to solve. As it was pointed out prior, proving that I’m Juan Gonzalez does not proves that I am a legitimate, lawful voter. It could perhaps facilitate identification of those that perhaps prevent double voting if somehow you had a system in place for the government to communicate between states electronically. (Believe me when I tell you, communication between states/jurisdictions by the government and even by companies is a Joke. Working in the healthcare sector, I have grown more and more irritated, infuriated and disappointed at this flaw that we have. We waste BILLIONS if not trillions because of poor, shitty or most times non-existent communication - short rant over
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At this point, I urge you to take 10mins in a dark room and think this very carefully and deeply before just posting a 3-4 line reply without reading and digesting the information.
The solution that you are proposing does not address the problem that you think exists. And the problem that you think exists, there is no evidence that supports its existence. So really? What exactly is the point.
Well, if you look at the evidence that DOES exist, you do realize that in most (not all) cases there is something in common and that is trying to weed out people that you are anticipating will vote against you. That’s why in a deep red, pro-gun state you can vote with your cocealed license.... while a student ID, you can’t.