@Drlee
I didn’t bother reading past ‘the states with highest immigration has the highest minimum wage.’
You think this defeats my argument? How is that?
General statement you can either embrace and own or reject.
Illegal immigrants are here to stay. There are some 30 million of them in the country and if they were all magically deported tomorrow the economy would collapse. I would defy you to find a credible economist to dispute this.
The Trumpets are being sold a bill of goods here. The part of the equation, which deliberately stops enforcement at the border, that they do not understand is that Trump's policies leave these 30 million alone. So lets go with the right wing argument for a moment. IF what they say about immigrants driving down wages is true, then it is because they are willing to work for very little; certainly less than citizens are. OK. Look at two farm workers. One is illegal and one is not. You say the illegal is driving down the wages of the legal worker. Fine. So why is that? These two workers do the same job every day for the same pay but you blame the illegal worker for the low wages. OK. What happens to the wages of the illegal worker if you take away the legal worker? They go up. The illegal makes more money. Simple supply and demand. He can demand more. But wait. He does not have the option to move to some other place in the economy where his illegal status is likely to get him busted. What happens to the wages of both workers if you grant the illegal amnesty and allow him to freely move throughout the job market? He challenges other jobs held by citizens. The price of back-breaking farm work goes up and other sectors may go down.
At the end of the day, it is the illegal status of the worker that is the key. They have become a virtual slave category. Though they are free to leave (if you call likely starvation of their family freedom) they are stuck in jobs that offer no advancement and in many cases pay no significant income taxes. When they do pay payroll taxes, their social security contributions do not accrue to themselves because they are intelligible to receive the benefits.
OneDegree "stops reading" as soon as his beliefs are challenged. That is typical of the right these days. They can't be bothered to think past the Fox News talking points. So they allow themselves to be moved by mere rhetoric with no substance.
Let's see if they have stopped reading when I post this:
There is already no automatic birthright citizenship for the children of illegal aliens. The 14th amendment does not extend that to them. It was designed specifically for slaves born in the US. How do I know? The SCOTUS denied citizenship to a Native American based on birthright holding that the NA owed his loyalty to his tribe and not the US. Indeed, it was not until 1924 that Native Americans were granted citizenship at all. Clearly those here illegally cannot prove that they "owe allegiance to the United States of America and are subject to its jurisdiction". They can assert it, as did Elk, but they cannot prove it. In fact, illegal aliens retain their citizenship of whatever country from which they came so it is an open question as to whether they are "subject to its jurisdiction". Certainly they are in some (if not most) cases because of treaty with the US.
The only supreme court ruling touching on this was United States v. Wong Kim Ark. This person was denied reentry to the US even though born here. This decision did not hinge on his being born here but rather on the fact that his parents were here legally and therefor "subject to.....".
We have a very conservative court right now. Should Trump challenge the notion of birthright citizenship it is just possible that he may prevail. I don't think he would but a very good argument could be made. It would go something like this. .....The child was not born to parents who were "subject to its complete jurisdiction" of the US and that the evidence of this is that they came here despite our laws prohibiting it and they remain in hiding from the complete jurisdiction of the government.
Wonder if the far right wingers stopped reading that.....