[B0ycey]

However, Mogg is firing blanks as looks like only around 20 of the 80 members of the erg have handed in letters. This is a major embarrassment for him personally.

Not surprising really as even in the Tories, most are Remainers so will back May over Mogg. Also May doesn't need to worry about falling - hence why she fights on. This is just Mogg being a twat - because that is the behaviour of a twat.

So it’s stalemate which is why the people’s vote thing may simply have to happen. As @ingliz says, no deal crash out was only ever an empty threat of hers.

Nobody in parliament wants a no deal or will back one. But the decision on the UK remaining in the EU is not solely their decision. If the EU don't want to negotiate or extend Article 50, what the UK MPs want is completely relevant and out of their hands. But sure, if May wants a public vote she has the numbers in parliament to have one. But she seems more content with a hard Brexit than a referendum at the moment.

[B0ycey]

Forget the EU, it needs Britain more then Britain needs the Fourth Reich. They are probably bluffing, if not then they will come to the bargaining table sooner or later anyways. May just does not have any balls, literally, hence it is best to have a man in charge at these crucial times. Better a king, the royal family should disband the parliament.

They need each other Albert. But I do find it almost partronising and condescending from the British that we talk about respect in preserving the UK union during negotiations but then forget the EU is a union that the EU wants to maintain as well.

#selfishBrexiteers

[Nonsense]

I have given up hope nonsense. I don't know where May thinks her support is coming from so why is she flogging the dead horse? So we now have two choices, Hard Brexit or no Brexit. Time to let the public decide.

You are right there, she has been flogging the proverbial' s all along & she should have been called out on it sooner.

It should have been a straight case of leaving sooner, with a four or five year period in which to settle our verifiable debts to the E.U & agree a trade deal for the future as an independent friendly trading nation.


It would have allowed for the necessary changes to be implemented regarding customs arrangements & the Irish question of which a 'unification' referendum on Irish unity would have decided it's E.U status following he next U.K general election.


You cannot have the government or MP's deciding to have a new referendum on BREXIT, it would be intended to negate the first referendum, which is a people's referendum, usurped by the MP's, who, if supporting such a ploy, would be toast at the next election, no matter what party they are in.

NEVER forget, MP's are the servants of the people - NOT their 'masters'.

NEVER underestimate the future consequences for the TORIES & our democracy of the TORIES '5-year'- fixed parliament change.

If the TORY Party do not bring her down, the people will bring the TORY Party down & OUT-period.

There's ONLY one deal that would be good for the country, that is Theresa MAY resigning immediately.

[layman]

@B0ycey i actually think she prefers a public vote or to cancel over a no deal. A no deal was always an empty threat. A threat she made unconvincingly because she didn’t budget in proper contingency.

She has u turned so many times I dont see why you think she won’t again.

[B0ycey]

@B0ycey i actually think she prefers a public vote or to cancel over a no deal. A no deal was always an empty threat. A threat she made unconvincingly because she didn’t budget in proper contingency.

She has u turned so many times I dont see why you think she won’t again.

I can only go by what she says. Although she did give a flicker of hope in her speech the other day after the cabinet meeting with a reference. But why gamble if you don't have to? In the unlikely scenario of a vote of confidence and Ken Clarke throwing his hat in on a ticket of another referendum, I would rather he win. But of course my worry would be the more candidates there are, the more votes are taken away from May and that would be advantageous to Johnson (?). So whatever happens, I would be hoping she does turn when she has been defiant not to for as long as I can remember if she remains in power.

[Kaiserschmarrn]

I was wrong about this part, the backstop is basically a different arrangement, where the UK stays in the customs union and adopts some single market rules. Still, it seems to be more in the EU's interest, and weakens the UK's bargaining power for a final deal.

You weren't wrong. The UK cannot unilaterally withdraw from this backstop which, if it kicks in after the transition period, covers the whole of the UK. The EU basically has a veto. Hence, there's zero incentive for the EU to agree to anything at all, so this potentially locks in the UK permanently.

Ever since the NI backstop became the main sticking point (for no genuine reason whatsoever), it was clear that this was not a good faith negotiation on the EU's part. And May agreeing to this deal means it's either a stitch up or a blunder of epic proportions.

Edit:

Just wanted to add that exploiting separatism in a friendly country, with the potential of causing instability, as the EU has done, is usually a red line that countries who regard themselves as allies do not cross. This alone should have been more than enough for the UK govt and Brits in general to grow at least a modicum of a backbone. Instead we get smugness and finger wagging "we told you so" by remainers, as if disregard of the most basic standards between friendly nations is to be expected and (more importantly) accepted. I don't think I've ever seen so little self-respect by so many people in my lifetime. If this is a true reflection of the UK today, then as far as I'm concerned it's a lost cause anyway and deserves total humiliation.

[Nonsense]

Theresa MAY is weak, supine & politically toxic.

The British should learn again what they have always done before, live on your feet(outside the E.U), or die on your knees(Inside the E.U, as a subordinate vassal state.)

The message that the 'Leave' MP's in the Tory Party should tell Theresa MAY in parliament, is that which Lord BOOTHBY gave to Neville CHAMBERLAIN in WW2:

"For all the good that you have done, in the name of 'god', GO", or words to that effect, that I have long forgotten.

[Rich]

The message that the 'Leave' MP's in the Tory Party should tell Theresa MAY in parliament, is that which Lord BOOTHBY gave to Neville CHAMBERLAIN in WW2:

"For all the good that you have done, in the name of 'god', GO", or words to that effect, that I have long forgotten.

He was replaced by Churchill. Within 40 days the British War Cabinet declared:

France and Great Britain shall no longer be two nations, but one Franco-British Union. The constitution of the Union will provide for joint organs of defence, foreign, financial and economic policies. Every citizen of France will enjoy immediately citizenship of Great Britain, every British subject will become a citizen of France.

[Albert]

[Igor Antunov]

If Labour gets in with Corbyn it is allover. You can say to Britain goodbye and see it suffer like Shweden. Venezuela

Corbyn is a big fan of Venezuelan Experiment.

Britain since 2010 has been failing hard without the help of the EU. It's becoming a dystopia all by itself. Here was a chance to go in a different direction, but of course no loicense fo dat

[ingliz]

The EU basically has a veto.

Don't be silly.

In the event of a dispute an independent arbitration committee will decide when a UK-wide customs backstop could be terminated.

Article 170

Initiation of the arbitration procedure

1. Without prejudice to Article 160, if no mutually agreed solution has been reached within 3
months after a written notice has been provided to the Joint Committee in accordance with
Article 169(1), the Union or the United Kingdom may request the establishment of an arbitration
panel. Such request shall be ...

Draft Withdrawal Agreement

[Beren]

Another MP, Mark Francois, who had said on Thursday he would be writing to the 1922 Committee, published his letter on Friday morning. He said he and other fellow ERG members had sought to persuade May to stop her Chequers plan for the “super Canada” model. He wrote: “However, in short, no one really listened to a word we said.”

Here's the super Canada model that should follow after the Brits have realised what a bad idea going on strike was:

[B0ycey]

No surprise really Farage as the Brexiteers keep on resigning and turning down positions.

[ingliz]

May has stuffed the cabinet full of Remainers.

She could stuff the cabinet with Martians now and it wouldn't make a ha'porth of difference. The EU member states have collectively ruled out any redrafting of the withdrawal agreement.

[Beren]

The Austrian chancellor, Sebastian Kurz, told reporters in Brussels: “It is a good deal for both sides. Nobody has been cheated. This deal prevents a hard Brexit. Therefore it helps us in Europe, but even more so it helps Great Britain because a hard Brexit would hit Great Britain significantly more severely.”

He added: “I very much hope that there will be the necessary agreement in the British parliament for this deal. And this would then provide the basis on which an orderly exit of Great Britain can happen and that at the same time a good relationship in the future will be possible … Of course, we support the deal made here 100%.”

Austria’s chancellor, Sebastian Kurz (left), with the EU commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, be-
fore a meeting in Brussels. Photograph: François Lenoir/Reuters

I just can't stop loving this guy. Kurz for president!

[B0ycey]

I just can't stop loving this guy. Kurz for president!

I don't know why Beren, but I wouldn't have thought of you as a Kutz superfan.

[Beren]

I don't know why Beren, but I wouldn't have thought of you as Kutz superfan.

It's as surprising to me as it is to you.

However, I didn't understand the overjoy when he got elected. He just looked like another middle-class Austrian that likes skiing and cake with coffee.

[B0ycey]

Perhaps it is right to address the migrant issue as it is something that divides Europe. But he is also a Conservative Nationalist. Can this be compatable to the views of a Liberal Socialist? Apparently so.

[Beren]

It's easy if you know your place like both Kurz and Austria do, the British should try it too perhaps.

[B0ycey]

When you have been born with a silver spoon in your mouth and grown up with stories of how the Empire controlled a third of the world, knowing your place seems hard to accept for many. But ultimately we will all learn soon enough. The Brexiteers can rebel and ask for a more favourable Brexit if they like, but I don't think the EU is even remotely bluffing when they say they will not negotiate any further. So we are stuck with only three outcomes now. Hard Brexit, May's Brexit or No Brexit. And I cannot see how May's Brexit can get through parliament. So I wonder if no one in parliament wants a Hard Brexit (including May), will she take the correct approach and let the public decide their fate or will she also not know her place and just destroy the economy on incompetence of stubbornness?