[Nonsense]

Britain is now in panic mode, held hostage by a foolish plan gone really really bad.

Theresa May has been cornered by her own party, which is plotting to get rid of her. She is mocked by the opposition and laughed at by the EU.

The only option left open to her is to try to win the hearts, or perhaps the underbellies, of voters, by finding an uncomplicated and easy-to-repeat narrative to justify her version of Brexit. The problem is that panic and politics aren’t a good mix.

If the worst comes to the worst, I can go back to Italy. British-born people, on the other hand, have no plan B.
Populist promises such as the one she made this morning to stop EU migrants “jumping the queue” spread resentment towards European citizens like me. Not only did we play no part in this mess, but we work here legally and contribute to the country in many different ways. We did not “jump the queue” but exercised the same general right of freedom of movement that allows British people to work in Berlin and Paris, or retire in Spain. Even so, our reward seems to be an increasingly hostile atmosphere, and infinite red tape when we attempt to apply for permanent residency to set our minds at rest.

I was born and grew up in Sicily and moved to London in 1996 shortly after I turned 20 years old.

I’ve put down roots here, made friends and created a wonderful family. Since I started working as a photographer I’ve paid my taxes and national insurance contributions and jumped no queues whatsoever. No, I’ve earned the benefits I enjoy – a happy and constructive existence in London – through sheer hard work.

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Since the referendum in 2016 I have noticed an alarming increase in both veiled and more explicit verbal abuse based on my nationality and my Mediterranean appearance. Living life in the face of this stigma is not always easy, but I have enough resources to stand my ground, and thanks to the broad support I receive from friends and colleagues I have the luxury of brushing nasty comments off with irony and a lot of sarcasm. However, this rise in anti-European feeling needs to be addressed and stopped, because it will end in people getting hurt.

The dog-whistling May did this morning achieves the exact opposite. It will give permission to any members of the general public who feel that we European citizens are not welcome here to bully, hassle us, or worse.

I believe that in the years ahead, as Brexit is exposed as a false solution and times become hard, there will need to be a scapegoat, someone to point at. May is laying the ground for that someone to be an innocent European national living in the UK.

I confess that I am shocked by the lack of a strong political counter-narrative to this xenophobia, with the exception of London’s mayor, Sadiq Khan, who has been active in stressing the importance of EU nationals living in his city, and explaining how strength and growth is founded on pluralism.

Finally I find it strange that we are viewed with condescension even by the most liberal minds in this country. I’m often told: “Ah, you’ll be alright, you’ve been here for many years.” Many British people assume that as an Italian living in the UK I am only concerned about my future here. That is a worry, I suppose. But I have a broader perspective – I am worried for Britain as a whole.

What I am witnessing is the country I have chosen to live in taking a wrong turn. I am left with a feeling of deep disappointment in British institutions and British political common sense. I remember how my British friends used to mock Italy for electing Silvio Berlusconi as prime minister, and I loved the fact that I lived in a country that recognised how surreal Italian politics was. Honest, correct sensible Britain on the one hand and crazy, foolish corrupted Italy on the other.

Unfortunately the landscape has changed. If the worst comes to the worst, I can still go back to the crazy corrupted Italy we all loved to take the mickey out of. British-born people without another nationality, on the other hand, have no plan B. They are the ones who will be forced to deal with an unrecognisable Britain, bitter and corrupted, the victims of an Etonian gamble gone very wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... mped-queue

Nonsense -

If I had my time again, I too would head to Italy or Scicily, because that's where my heart lay before I got married in 1971, I love the country, it's people & it's history.
Unfortunately, mass migration is undermining that country's economy, none of those cost is affordable or funded by the E.U, which hasn't had it's accounts 'signed-off' in 20 years & people have the nerve to mention 'Fiat' currency, which the £ 'Sterling' is fast becoming through zero , real level interest rates.

I am against the E.U, I am not against any individual country in Europe, or individual from anywhere there, who has come here to improve their lot, I welcome them.

In or OUT of the E.U, we 'English, Scottish, Welsh, or Irish, are 'European' by nature & outlook as well as nationalistic.

It's NOT just this country that is cooling rapidly on the E.U, other countries are too.

We do see, as well as care about how Greece or Italy are treated by the E.U & we resent that.

The 'problem' with structures like the E.U is that it imposes 'Liberal' elitist policies or 'social-engineering' that are not financed by revenues in advance, such as mass migration & the inflationary squeeze that is imposed as 'austerity' on those least able to afford it as a direct result of that.

There are limits, they have been grossly breached, on what each country can afford, when resources have\are not being created to meet those demands.

I have stated before that , there has never been any verifiable sources demonstrating actual cost-benefits arising from mass migration, yet, we feel all too readily those effects in our personal wealth declining year on year.

That tells ordinary people that, either the government's are spending any gains, as benefits to many migrants, or that the rich-better-off are receiving the 'dividends' from that migration, along with massive tax cuts-breaks & everyone else is paying the price.

If the latter, which means most of us, the situation is untenable, it's NOT the fault of migrants, but indigenous people are feeling more, each year, they are crying out, enough is enough.
They blame the E.U, pro-E.U politicians & their parties.

The 'solution' that CORBYN envisages, high wages for migrant workers, does NOT help, it PUSHES INFLATION UPWARDS & SCARCE RESOURCES FROM ANY 'GAINS' ARE SENT BACK HOME TO THE MIGRANT FAMILIES, WHILE OUR OVERSEAS AID IS £12 BILLION PER ANNUM.

EVERYONE that comes into this overcrowded country, needs resources or money from the state, money that is never available to others, which has to be taken as taxes or higher prices, to pay for such help in housing, health & benefits.

We are constantly lied to by politicians who are pro-migrant when it comes to 'benefits-cost' of such migration.

The fundamental problem or 'flaw' with the E.U is that is a monolithic, bureaucratic, structure, that has changed from it's inception through various treaties WITHOUT seeking the consent of the European people's for those changes.

Whereas hitherto, it was a structure of national communities, each with their sovereign power, mitigated only by the consent of those treaties, the structure is fast becoming that of a singular supranational state, where challenges to it's powers or policies will be thwarted by loss of vetoes, replaced by majority of voting.
Individual state power will be subordinated to the super-state-E.U, it will be acting like a sovereign state without challenge to it's authority, 'democracy' & freedom within will be relegated to the status of which 'Leavers' are now frequently subjected to, that of abuse.

[noemon]

We do see, as well as care about how Greece or Italy are treated by the E.U & we resent that.

First of all, Greece and Italy are being treated by the eurozone, not by the EU, second of all, the UK is the only country that has not participated in the loans. It's easy to be in imaginary "solidarity", in all honesty the only reason Brits seem to care about Greece and Italy is simply as yet another stick to beat Europe with while they remain safely aloof. If the British participated in the loans given to the Italians and Greeks, they would behave a lot worse than the Europeans which they consider naughty. Cameron was sending anti-Greek dog-whistles for no reason whatsoever and May is sending anti-European dog-whistles today. Britain is just in a very sad(well pitiful actually) state of affairs, has been for a while with the Tories in power.

The prime minister said Britain is prepared to take measures to avoid a major influx of Greek citizens. "I would be prepared to do whatever it takes to keep our country safe, to keep our banking system strong, to keep our economy robust. At the end of the day, as prime minister, that is your first and foremost duty."

Keeping the country "safe from Greek people", all 57,000 of us.

And people talk about Trump and others, when in fact a lot worse exist far closer to home for a lot longer, this took place in 2012, long before the era of the deplorables and noone bat an eyelid.

The 'problem' with structures like the E.U is that it imposes 'Liberal' elitist policies or 'social-engineering' that are not financed by revenues in advance, such as mass migration & the inflationary squeeze that is imposed as 'austerity' on those least able to afford it as a direct result of that.

I think you are confusing the UK with the EU, the UK is the one that has created and sustains this global liberal, free trade, open movement world that you keep referring to. The EU quite the contrary enables only European people to move freely, it provides EU benefits only to European farmers, it provides social benefits like free-university, healthcare, pension benefits and so on only to European citizens. The UK has been doing that with India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, the Caribbean several decades before the EU started doing it to Europeans alone.

[layman]

@Nonsense Then what? How is that a Victory for you when her bill has more support than the no deal you want? A new leader won’t change that arithmetic and neither will a general election most likely.

You may be hoping that the eu will force us to crash out, without a vote, if this fails to pass? I doubt it.

[Nonsense]

First of all, Greece and Italy are being treated by the eurozone, not by the EU, second of all, the UK is the only country that has not participated in the loans. It's easy to be in imaginary "solidarity", in all honesty the only reason Brits seem to care about Greece and Italy is simply as yet another stick to beat Europe with while they remain safely aloof. If the British participated in the loans given to the Italians and Greeks, they would behave a lot worse than the Europeans which they consider naughty. Cameron was sending anti-Greek dog-whistles for no reason whatsoever and May is sending anti-European dog-whistles today. Britain is just in a very sad(well pitiful actually) state of affairs, has been for a while with the Tories in power.

Nonsense -

The E.U is 'eurozone'.

DO NOT confuse people's empathy with the indifference of the body politic, because otherwise you are saying that the people in this country as a whole are insecure, I can assure you that our empathy is NOT 'imaginary'.

The 'loans' were conditional, for which the Bundesbank, was the determining factor.the U.K is in no better economic condition than Italy was\is, any money that we would have loaned, would have been borrowed money, debt that the U.K would have to repay, on capital that we would not be using, how would any individual cope with that?

It's why we have the IMF, which was itself negative on Greece(which needed badly to stabilise it's financial situation)\Italy.
The World Bank(which should have provided long term low interest loans, to rebuild the Greek economy), would have been even worse, because the terms would have been onerous to say the least.

And people talk about Trump and others, when in fact a lot worse exist far closer to home for a lot longer, this took place in 2012, long before the era of the deplorables and noone bat an eyelid.

Nonsense - ^ I agree.

I think you are confusing the UK with the EU, the UK is the one that has created and sustains this global liberal, free trade, open movement world that you keep referring to. The EU quite the contrary enables only European people to move freely, it provides EU benefits only to European farmers, it provides social benefits like free-university, healthcare, pension benefits and so on only to European citizens. The UK has been doing that with India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, the Caribbean several decades before the EU started doing it to Europeans alone.

Nonsense -

Within the E.U, it isn't about 'Liberal' free trade, it is about 'free movement', for which the Maastricht Treaty, signed by John MAJOR, allowed the E.U to be formed, along with the TEU, thus creating the formation of a single entity with power over all the countries & allowing migration from 'Third Countries', which is the killer.

The single market is about tariff free trade between E.U countries, that's fine, as is free movement of European people, but NOT for people from 'Third Countries'.

Providing social benefits for European people is perfectly normal, but again, NOT for people from elsewhere in the world, what is known as, 'Third Countries'.

The CAP is\was always known as benefiting mainly French farmers, for which the U.K has long objected, why should farmers from any European countries receive taxpayers money, when there are more pressing cases for our money , including Greece & Italy?

I disagree with the U.K spending money on benefits to current or former Commonwealth countries.

[Nonsense]

@Nonsense Then what? How is that a Victory for you when her bill has more support than the no deal you want? A new leader won’t change that arithmetic and neither will a general election most likely.

You may be hoping that the eu will force us to crash out, without a vote, if this fails to pass? I doubt it.

Nonsense -
It's NOT about a 'victory' for me, it's about defeat for the freedom to decide our own futures, free from the diktat of bureaucratic bodies like the E.U, which is akin to Wales, Ireland or Scotland is to their relationship to Westminster.

I would hardly call their situation, one of freedom,prosperity or democratic, when they are beholden to a beggars hand out from Westminster.

The above is why Labour brought in 'Devolution', Europe is centrist, just like Westminster is to the U.K, it's probably why CORBYN accepts the 2016 vote & makes the Left's 'remainers' look to be at odds with their leader.

The 'Deal' I want, is for the government to deliver the result of the referendum, as promised in their manifesto, NOT half IN-half OUT.
If we 'crash' out, it will be due to MAY's intransigence & stupidity for not seeing or knowing what a dogs breakfast she has made of it all.

[Albert]

Remember this, I did not remember. Wtf, I did not know they did this. Now I'm scared!

[Nonsense]

https://twitter.com/JackBMontgomery/status/1064863088321720320

Remember this, I did not remember. Wtf, I did not know they did this. Now I'm scared!

I shouldn't focus too much on the leisurely pursuits of the police in the E.U, our own police are pretty adept at summary executions, even if the context is different.

It's not only the U.S.A where cops shoot first & ask questions later(but get no answers because the person they want to question has just been shot by THEM).

I'm thinking back to 2005 with Jean Charles De Menezes.

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[layman]

@Nonsense ok then. No plan or explanation of what deal you want. Just ideologically.

[B0ycey]

Remember this, I did not remember. Wtf, I did not know they did this. Now I'm scared!

Don't worry Albert. You'll be safe in Canada In your mother's basement!

[Albert]

Don't worry Albert. You'll be safe in Canada In your mother's basement!

So much for the democracy shmacrocy bullshit. As long as it is the right result for the establishment then it is democracy otherwise it is nazim and populism.

[ingliz]

Police shoot 11 ...

11 rioters were treated for gunshot wounds.

90 police officers were injured.

[Rich]

The single market is about tariff free trade between E.U countries, that's fine, as is free movement of European people, but NOT for people from 'Third Countries'.

We're are on the same page here Nonsense, but opposite sides of Brexit. The problem is not the EU, but the leadership of the EU. We need to take back the EU as we need to take back our continent. May has already announced how Brexit will be used to ramp up Musim immigration. "No queue jumping for White Infidels." Its interesting Teresa May could almost have lifted her immigration policies from @Decky's favourite party, Arthur Scargill's Socialist Labour Party.

The Brexiteers fed us the lie that we had to leave the EU to control immigration. Hungry showed what utter bollocks that is. Europe is overcrowded, undesirable elements must be encouraged to emigrate. But Britain is particularly overcrowded so there needs to be some extra control over even European migration, but that was doable within the EU if our leaders had actually wanted to control immigration.

Blair, Cameron, May, Boris. they are all on the same page. They all love mass immigration. they're all rabid Islamophiles and they all support Turkish membership of the EU. Leaving the EU is stupid, when our governing class is full of our own treacherous Angela Merkel's. Angela Merkel was only trying to copy what Blair did with the Somalis.

[layman]

The eu institutions themselves do nothing but put up barriers to external migration.

As usual, people mix up entities within Europe to the eu itself.

[Rugoz]

Whereas hitherto, it was a structure of national communities, each with their sovereign power, mitigated only by the consent of those treaties, the structure is fast becoming that of a singular supranational state, where challenges to it's powers or policies will be thwarted by loss of vetoes, replaced by majority of voting.

For the EU to become functional, it must move towards majority voting. But there's no European nationalism to support it. The EU is a project by the elites. Whenever there's been popular resistance, it was either ignored or resolved by pandering to the electorate of the country that dared to hold a referendum.

[Beren]

Did you notice how aristocratically the leader of the ultimate populist revolution can drink his tea?

[Rich]

Did you notice how aristocratically the leader of the ultimate populist revolution can drink his tea?

Caesar was descended from a Goddess. Aristocrats have often led populist revolts against the plutocratic elite.

[Nonsense]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au1QR_vzDPA

Did you notice how aristocratically the leader of the ultimate populist revolution can drink his tea?

We all like cringe-worthy moments when politicians do something or other, for which cameras pick up a millisecond shot of action that makes a potent image that is used to make a negative point against them later.

Times such as Michael FOOT, walking along like some kind of Charlie CHAPLIN in a slapstick film, Neil KINNOCK on Brighton beach with his wife, Ed Milliband taking a bite out a roll in a café, Boris Johnson dangling from a rope, Theresa MAY looking particularly cringe worthy, attempting to 'dance' at the Tory conference this year, so yes, it's a kind of media sport to portray politicians as the kind of fools that they undoubtedly are.

I would, in the case of Rees-Mogg, differ in my judgement to yours, I think that he is doing it quite naturally, in a way that doesn't make one want to turn one's head away.

Again, were it done in a true 'aristocratic' manner, his 'dinky'(small) finger holding the cup would be raised upwards, away from the cup with a slight recognisable bend to it, with no hint of a 'slurp' either.

[Beren]

Caesar was descended from a Goddess. Aristocrats have often led populist revolts against the plutocratic elite.

He should run for PM then.

[Heisenberg]

I quite like the idea of Julius Caesar as PM, to be honest.

Oh, you meant Jacob Rees-Mogg? Never mind.

[Beren]

I quite like the comparison between Julius Caesar and Jacob Rees-Mogg because it must be adequate, however, being aristocratic and being an aristocrat are not the same. I wouldn't mind him being an aristocrat if I were a populist, but I'd never trust anyone with such mannerisms.