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By Godstud
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This is brilliant. ENJOY!!
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By ingliz
#14988884
The Blair Rich Project:

If you want an example of UK electoral law loopholes: The Independent Group, which looks/swims/quacks a lot like a political party and is asking for donations, is actually a private company. So it isn't subject to electoral law rules requiring them to declare financial backers.

BBC News wrote:Between this and Brexit we are actually fucked


:lol:
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Honda are closing their SWINDON factory in 2022, with the loss of three thousand jobs.

The 'spin' excuse given by the company, to be announced tomorrow, is that, it's nothing to do with BREXIT(tell me another), but, is related to 'global' conditions, which is a lie , because, they intend to switch production, back to Japan, implying that production is continuing unabated & unrelated to market conditions.

Rather, it's a political decision, based on the just announced EU -Japan trade deal, to rub salt in the wound, Theresa MAY wants to pay the 'job snatchers' of the E.U £40 BILLION of British taxpayers hard earned money.

The 'good' news though, is that, we 'British' companies & consumers can stop buying goods or services from these companies that are acting against our economic interest post BREXIT.
By layman
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noemon wrote:How is Corbyn not allowing this? :?: He(and Labour as a whole) have made their position crystal-clear. He has extended his helping hand to Theresa May and told her plainly: "Do a Customs Union and we will whip our MP's to support a soft-Brexit". What else is he supposed to do layman? Labour have voted in their conference their entire strategy:

a) Call for elections and failing that..
b) Support the Tories to do a soft-Brexit and failing that...
c) Support a second referendum

What kind of position would satisfy you personally?



The Crown has gone into his head the very minute the election results came out in 2017. He got Labour a 10% increase and he came short only a few hundred thousand votes from becoming PM. The Tories have created a knot of their own doing, have undone 10 years of austerity, have damaged Britain's reputation irreparably, have damaged the economy and are being openly ridiculous & racist(windrush scandal). Jeremy is all that is left of British mild realism. Quite ironic but true nevertheless. They have paved the way for Corbyn to become PM and all he had to do was just sit there and let them fuck it all up on their own. The only thing left for the anti-Corbyn brigade is mud, a mud that is also mathematically turning into a sucker punch.

Brexit is entirely a Tory thing and whatever happens, no Brexit, soft Brexit or no deal Brexit they are fucked under all scenarios. Their best bet is to call for elections and let Jeremy handle Brexit so that he gets the blame. This is their only chance of saving their party for the following elections, anything else will simply destroy them forever and keep Corbyn in power for 3 or 4 election cycles at least.



Once again I do not really see how Corbyn is damaging the economy with his stance. :?:
Why do you hate him so much layman? The guy is a social democrat, his stance on Free University Education and the NHS is superb. Would you not want your children/nephews/godchildren to attend university without paying 10k per year per child? Like it was a mere 20 years ago? Did Britain have socialism 20 years ago?


Simple. I don’t believe him.

I dont believe he is a social democrat. He is a Marxist and will push as far left as he can get away with. His brexit stance is a ruse and a lie. Those 5 tests or whatever are built to fail. I’m hardly the only one who is angry about this. Even the faithful are questioning it.

As leader of the opposition, he doesn’t get to disown this process of brexit entirely. He has responsibility too and can influence things. Eh working with Tory moderates or punishing the labour brexiteers who defied the whip.

How awful the tories are is another matter. University fees were reasonable at 2k per year but have become obscene. Despite this, they are going bankrupt, partly due to the Tory attacks on foreign students. My wife works the the sector and the sorry state of it could easily fill another thread.
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By Beren
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layman wrote:He is a Marxist and will push as far left as he can get away with. His brexit stance is a ruse and a lie. Those 5 tests or whatever are built to fail. I’m hardly the only one who is angry about this. Even the faithful are questioning it.

And how much do you think he could get away with in Britain? His Brexit stance is absolutely political, and practical in that sense, about which you should rather be happy.
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By Nonsense
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I think that people would be happier if CORBYN had expressed himself in accordance with Labour's manifesto pledge on implementing the referendum result.

That might have been unpopular, but, it would have been 'honest' & for a 'conviction' politician the right thing to do.

This is what people do not think about when these 'remainer' MP's project their personal preferences over- above the policies & party on which they were elected.

They are supposed to back the party policy line on which they, as well as the party were elected, that is to complete the referendum result, by enabling us to leave on 29 March instant & not to engage in mixing up future arrangements in order to frustrate the democratic will of the people as expressed in the referendum.
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By redcarpet
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ingliz wrote:The Blair Rich Project:

If you want an example of UK electoral law loopholes: The Independent Group, which looks/swims/quacks a lot like a political party and is asking for donations, is actually a private company. So it isn't subject to electoral law rules requiring them to declare financial backers.



:lol:


And uses the tax haven of PANAMA too! Mt hero is the correspondent in the pc that mumbled "He's mad!"
By Atlantis
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The UK's political system starts to disintegrate.

If a new center party emerges, at least Brexit will have achieved some good:

7 UK Labour MPs leave party to form breakaway group

Tory minister and four Conservative backbench MPs poised to join new Labour splinter group

As the Brexit crisis intensifies, Tory and Labor defections are likely to increase.

T. May must have strong nerves to watch and calmly stand by as one company after the other decides to leave the UK - almost on a daily basis now.
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By Beren
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The whole country may start to disintegrate, but if they find a way back to normal, then all this fuss will be history while Umunna returns to the City and Luciana Berger fully enjoys being Jewish in Israel.
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By Beren
#14989323
Before I explain what I mean I should just say that this is a pretty simplified analysis

Of course it is. What makes no deal really possible is that the current trajectory of Brexit is leading to it, so if nothing makes it change, it's no deal. However, I'd bet my chips on that May's deal will be amended with the Kyle-Wilson amendment and approved, so there will be a referendum.
By layman
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A lot of people on this forum sound like my wife. People are more comfortable pushing blame to the leader and elites. This is actually part of the problem in my opinion.

Fact is that it’s the public who shifted only slightly and recent polls show 37 percent for a no deal, the most popular single outcome...

This is in fact a form of democracy as mps scramble to do what constituents and party members want - or think they want, rather than lead.

Our system isn’t built for referendums + a slim majority. In fact I doubt many could cope with it.
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By Beren
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layman wrote:A lot of people on this forum sound like my wife. People are more comfortable pushing blame to the leader and elites. This is actually part of the problem in my opinion.

Fact is that it’s the public who shifted only slightly and recent polls show 37 percent for a no deal, the most popular single outcome...

This is in fact a form of democracy as mps scramble to do what constituents and party members want - or think they want, rather than lead.

Our system isn’t built for referendums + a slim majority. In fact I doubt many could cope with it.

Did the people ask for a referendum? Did they demand one? It's up to the elites this time too if no-deal will be on the ballot.
By layman
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If you give the people power then they get accountability too.

Obviously there is plenty of blame to go round. My point is if people shifted their stance then the politicians would follow. People refuse too despite the obvious folly.
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By Beren
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layman wrote:If you give the people power then they get accountability too.

Obviously there is plenty of blame to go round. My point is if people shifted their stance then the politicians would follow. People refuse too despite the obvious folly.

The people have the power anyway, but they're not really keen on executing it directly because they have their own personal problems to care about and better things to do. Their opinions can also be influenced, if someone is honest with them, but if they get fooled all the time, it backfires sooner or later. Cameron called a referendum not because he meant to be a good democratic leader, he did it to solve a mere political problem. His own political problem, precisely, and made it the country's big essential problem. He simply failed as a leader, I hope the right consequences have been drawn.
By B0ycey
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Atlantis wrote:If a new center party emerges, at least Brexit will have achieved some good:


Eleven and counting...

If more New Labour and moderate Tory MPs revolt and this movement makes say 80+ MPs, I think the UK political climate will have an earthquate. There would actually be a credible alternative to the two main parties. Although it needs a charismatic leader and a manifesto before the public will join the tide. But I am liking what I am seeing - even if I don't know for sure what it is that I am seeing.

As for the Kyle ammendment, I can't see it getting past the house without either May or Corbyn backing it. If Coopers amendment failed, this one will too.
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By Beren
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B0ycey wrote:Eleven and counting...

If more New Labour and moderate Tory MPs revolt and this movement makes say 80+ MPs...

As for the Kyle ammendment, I can't see it getting past the house without either May or Corbyn backing it. If Coopers amendment failed, this one will too.

In my opinion the whole fuss could be about the Kyle amendment, and a snap election on the horizon. Do you think they can become an 80+ group?
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