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BBC News wrote:Between this and Brexit we are actually fucked
noemon wrote:How is Corbyn not allowing this? :?: He(and Labour as a whole) have made their position crystal-clear. He has extended his helping hand to Theresa May and told her plainly: "Do a Customs Union and we will whip our MP's to support a soft-Brexit". What else is he supposed to do layman? Labour have voted in their conference their entire strategy:
a) Call for elections and failing that..
b) Support the Tories to do a soft-Brexit and failing that...
c) Support a second referendum
What kind of position would satisfy you personally?
The Crown has gone into his head the very minute the election results came out in 2017. He got Labour a 10% increase and he came short only a few hundred thousand votes from becoming PM. The Tories have created a knot of their own doing, have undone 10 years of austerity, have damaged Britain's reputation irreparably, have damaged the economy and are being openly ridiculous & racist(windrush scandal). Jeremy is all that is left of British mild realism. Quite ironic but true nevertheless. They have paved the way for Corbyn to become PM and all he had to do was just sit there and let them fuck it all up on their own. The only thing left for the anti-Corbyn brigade is mud, a mud that is also mathematically turning into a sucker punch.
Brexit is entirely a Tory thing and whatever happens, no Brexit, soft Brexit or no deal Brexit they are fucked under all scenarios. Their best bet is to call for elections and let Jeremy handle Brexit so that he gets the blame. This is their only chance of saving their party for the following elections, anything else will simply destroy them forever and keep Corbyn in power for 3 or 4 election cycles at least.
Once again I do not really see how Corbyn is damaging the economy with his stance. :?:
Why do you hate him so much layman? The guy is a social democrat, his stance on Free University Education and the NHS is superb. Would you not want your children/nephews/godchildren to attend university without paying 10k per year per child? Like it was a mere 20 years ago? Did Britain have socialism 20 years ago?
layman wrote:He is a Marxist and will push as far left as he can get away with. His brexit stance is a ruse and a lie. Those 5 tests or whatever are built to fail. I’m hardly the only one who is angry about this. Even the faithful are questioning it.
ingliz wrote:The Blair Rich Project:
If you want an example of UK electoral law loopholes: The Independent Group, which looks/swims/quacks a lot like a political party and is asking for donations, is actually a private company. So it isn't subject to electoral law rules requiring them to declare financial backers.
Before I explain what I mean I should just say that this is a pretty simplified analysis
layman wrote:A lot of people on this forum sound like my wife. People are more comfortable pushing blame to the leader and elites. This is actually part of the problem in my opinion.
Fact is that it’s the public who shifted only slightly and recent polls show 37 percent for a no deal, the most popular single outcome...
This is in fact a form of democracy as mps scramble to do what constituents and party members want - or think they want, rather than lead.
Our system isn’t built for referendums + a slim majority. In fact I doubt many could cope with it.
layman wrote:If you give the people power then they get accountability too.
Obviously there is plenty of blame to go round. My point is if people shifted their stance then the politicians would follow. People refuse too despite the obvious folly.
Atlantis wrote:If a new center party emerges, at least Brexit will have achieved some good:
B0ycey wrote:Eleven and counting...
If more New Labour and moderate Tory MPs revolt and this movement makes say 80+ MPs...
As for the Kyle ammendment, I can't see it getting past the house without either May or Corbyn backing it. If Coopers amendment failed, this one will too.
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