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As either the transitional stage to communism or legitimate socio-economic ends in its own right.
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By ckaihatsu
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SSDR wrote:
In my world, the socialist society would have a very strong industry. There would be a lot of factories, manufacturing centers, machine centers, and mining sites. Education would be very important to help advance technology. Science would be strongly supported. Research centers would be very common. And although the minimum work requirement is 30 hours a week, most occupations would work 50-60 hours a week.

The "state" is a production and wealth coordinator that coordinates what is to be done. Since humans are different, anarchy cannot work unless if every human was exactly the same because there would be dispute since different people want different things, so there must be a neutral state that can protect the desires of each person. The state is protected by the law enforcement, which is composed of the military, and the police. And a Socialist constitution would determine all of the rules, so that no one is above the law. Corruption and bribery would not exist.



In case you may be wondering why no one has bothered to reply to your inanity for *months* now, it's because it all boils down to *idealism*. You're regurgitating a political 'wish list', with your mere opinions on display, as though outlining your own utopia would be enough to *enable* the possibility of such a society.

But there's no such thing as 'a neutral state', because a state -- by definition -- has a *monopoly* on power, including violence, which is the *opposite* of 'neutrality'. This concentration of power *inevitably* produces corruption and bribery, because such social dynamics, favoritism and privilege, respectively, are effectively made into political *commodities* by the elitism of the state, which are then *purchased* by those with the means to do so.

Also, the populace would have to implicitly *tolerate* this kind of technocratic rule, otherwise it couldn't exist *at all*, even with its effective monopoly on power, no matter how many guns and weaponry it may have.

As I and others have told you repeatedly, you are *not* a socialist and what you describe does *not* resemble socialism in the least.
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By SSDR
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@ckaihatsu, I don't need anybody to reply to me. I can say whatever the fuck I want, and I don't need anything from anyone. :lol:

Your second paragraph we have talked about many times before. I keep telling you that a state that is socialist will be needed to prevent crime, but to you, crime doesn't exist because nothing, including the rape of your mom, is defined as crime. All crimes to you are social constructs you fucking moron.

If the populace was like you, then yeah it wouldn't tolerate it. You're basically saying that you can't tolerate it.

I don't need you to tell me what I am you fucking virgin. I am a socialist. And I don't need to prove it. I don't need anyone to tell me what I am, so you saying that is useless.

You're fucking useless in general. You never state your own opinions. You're manipulative because you know you have flaws. And your self drawn diagrams look like you have autism.
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By ckaihatsu
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SSDR wrote:
@ckaihatsu, I don't need anybody to reply to me. I can say whatever the fuck I want, and I don't need anything from anyone. :lol:

Your second paragraph we have talked about many times before. I keep telling you that a state that is socialist will be needed to prevent crime, but to you, crime doesn't exist because nothing, including the rape of your mom, is defined as crime. All crimes to you are social constructs you fucking moron.



Stop with the insults and bullshit -- it's not appropriate.

People, post-capitalism, are not just going to go off unhindered and do whatever they want in some kind of '70s social meltdown. Crime *is* very much a social construct in the sense that much of it, as defined by the bourgeoisie, is about crimes against *private property*, which itself *won't exist* after capitalism is overthrown, so then there can't be any crimes regarding property then.

Now if someone like *yourself* gets unhinged and goes around raping people then *that* can be handled in a collective way because everyone will be cooperatively *empowered* to handle such things. Transgressions against *persons* then will effectively be automatically *politicizing*, with a collective political response to be expected in return.


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ckaihatsu wrote:
Also, the populace would have to implicitly *tolerate* this kind of technocratic rule, otherwise it couldn't exist *at all*, even with its effective monopoly on power, no matter how many guns and weaponry it may have.



SSDR wrote:
If the populace was like you, then yeah it wouldn't tolerate it. You're basically saying that you can't tolerate it.



No, you're doing that guesswork bullshit of yours again by shifting the scale from an entire society to just me.

Technocracy is not to be *admired*, much less *advocated* -- it's inherently right-wing and *elitist*, because it's only interested in that power hierarchy, and not in 'lifting all boats', as through public education, so that everyone's on-the-same-page in knowledge and abilities.


SSDR wrote:
I don't need you to tell me what I am you fucking virgin.



(Looking at watch) Nope, still not a virgin.


SSDR wrote:
I am a socialist. And I don't need to prove it. I don't need anyone to tell me what I am, so you saying that is useless.



Keep telling yourself that. You're showing yourself to be more and more erratic and unhinged with every post you make here.


SSDR wrote:
You're fucking useless in general. You never state your own opinions. You're manipulative because you know you have flaws. And your self drawn diagrams look like you have autism.



Whatever. Insults won't get you far around here because it's *not a fucking playground*. If you can't interact with others over political issues then just don't bother. It was pleasantly quiet around here for awhile when you weren't posting. Take a deep breath and stop making bullshit accusations.
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By SSDR
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@ckaihatsu, You're not appropriate. You're the one who needs to stop twisting words, and playing mind games. You're the one who needs to stop lol.

You twisting words won't get you anywhere.
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By ckaihatsu
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Whatever.

You're entitled to your opinions, of course, but they happen to have *nothing* to do with the topic of whatever thread you're posting them to.

This board isn't about interpersonal *psychology*, as you seem to think -- it's about *politics*, which is relatively *objective* (material causes), and doesn't depend on any one person's personal-type intentions.
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By SSDR
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@ckaihatsu, I am entitled to my own opinions, you don't need to say that lol. Your statements have *nothing* to do with the topic of whatever thread you're posting them to.

This board isn't about copying and pasting articles from other websites, it's about stating YOUR own political views.
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By ckaihatsu
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SSDR wrote:
@ckaihatsu, I am entitled to my own opinions, you don't need to say that lol. Your statements have *nothing* to do with the topic of whatever thread you're posting them to.

This board isn't about copying and pasting articles from other websites, it's about stating YOUR own political views.



Here, try *this* thread, before your posts on it:


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