- 18 Mar 2019 15:20
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If you are not abandoning it, then support it.
Please note all the text here is not about your argument.
So you are deciding not to support your argument.
Even if some LGBT people were pretending to gelieve in non binary genders even when they so not, I doubt it would be significant enough to have any impact.
There was a Night Court episode about it in, I believe, 1985.
These things have a pattern though. First the community itself gets active, then the academy writes about it, then it becomes a thing among progressives, then the news and the politicians hear about it, and finally the conservatives find out.
So you guys do it to maintian a high level of transphobia and ensure more suicides?
So your position is not based on evidence or logic, but instead is based on your desire to impose traditional gender roles on everyone?
Unless the actions can be shown to be self destructive, it is usually in the best interests of people to honestly express themsleves and embrace their identity.
Again, my argument is that non binary gender roles are not a sham or a scam.
The evidence is the fact that these genders have existed in other cultures, which implies that our binary paradigm is culturally specific and not objective.
The second stream of evidence is the fact that most trans people do not regret it and endure sacrifice and loss and transphobia in order to express their identity, which is not something they would do if it was just a fad.
The third stream of evidence is neurological. Recent studies have shown that the brains of trans people are more like the gender they try to be instead of the sex they were born into.
This is now the second time I write my argument out completely for you guys. Feel free to address it.
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For the third or fourth time, the movement for equality for trans and non binary people ismnot about convincing conservatives. Your feelings and opinions are not relevant.
Do not get me wrong. It would be great if you guys agreed, but we are not here to change you.
The point is to change society so that people can no longer discriminate against trans and non binary people.
This part here is irrelevant and is solely a personal attack. Classy....
Please 0rovide evidence for this claim.
There is a crack in everything,
That's how the light gets in...
Verv wrote:By incorrectly stating my position, you do not win.
I think you are used to this sort of delusion because of your high volume posts. Most people would drop these things and let you skate by with it, and let you carry on self-deluded as to whether or not you scored a point (a very topical use of the word here, IMO). But, I actually think it's important to answer you on that one.
But please explain why you think I am "abandoning" it.
As you know, the word abandon is often defined along these lines:
I do not see what I am doing as abandoning at all, but as clarifying that there is a difference between the literary use of language and the more narrow, precise form of it.
Indeed, I would not hold this against you so much if you weren't ironically using this word to describe me explaining how I would choose to use a more rigorous expression than deceive if I knew it was going to be so staunchly disputed.
So why don't you tell us why I am abandoning it and show how you can uphold the use of this word in a very narrow, rigorous meaning.
Let's definitely start policing everyone's posts to they are using academic language. That'll surely not be a waste of anyone's time.
If you are not abandoning it, then support it.
Please note all the text here is not about your argument.
I assume some of this would be completely verifiable. Indeed, I imagine that you could produce such a response from a very significant amount of the LGBTQ community re: non-binary, but as it is hardly feasible that I now set out on a question to gather recordings of somewhat important LGBTQ people saying this, why not understand that this is a point that doesn't need to be discussed at length?
I will defend it by insisting that the conclusion is reasonable.
But I cannot provide empirical evidence.
So you are deciding not to support your argument.
Even if some LGBT people were pretending to gelieve in non binary genders even when they so not, I doubt it would be significant enough to have any impact.
So you were debating non-binary gender 30 years ago?
I am sure it occurred. I remember, as a boy of 14 or 15, stumbling onto some weird part of the internet where htye talked about the existence of I believe they phrased it alternative genders and they pointed to fantastical genders created in the writings of 19th century fantasy writers and the likes. Of course, some of these were purely fantasy enthusiasts exercising their creativity, though surely some of them were just regular perverts.
I am not sure who would be who as that would also require a lot of research and, I am sure, in many instances, it wouldn't be provable one way or the other.
There was a Night Court episode about it in, I believe, 1985.
These things have a pattern though. First the community itself gets active, then the academy writes about it, then it becomes a thing among progressives, then the news and the politicians hear about it, and finally the conservatives find out.
Because the transgender suicide rate, post-op, is not improved, and it remains to be a mental condition that results in insane levels of suicide.
So you guys do it to maintian a high level of transphobia and ensure more suicides?
MOreover, we defend the idea that it is an illness because we want to maintain our traditional gender norms.
You might as well be asking why do conservatives insist on persisting to exist...
So your position is not based on evidence or logic, but instead is based on your desire to impose traditional gender roles on everyone?
Aw, your error is that you were unaware that Noise music is a recognized musical genre.
Wikipedia
You see, your error here was in the assumption that I was just talking nonsense. But you should have done a bit of research.
Perhaps the comparison will now be more understandable to you.
Unless the actions can be shown to be self destructive, it is usually in the best interests of people to honestly express themsleves and embrace their identity.
Yet here you are, without an argument, virtue signaling, and not actually arguing.
When are we going to get some real content out of you?
Again, my argument is that non binary gender roles are not a sham or a scam.
The evidence is the fact that these genders have existed in other cultures, which implies that our binary paradigm is culturally specific and not objective.
The second stream of evidence is the fact that most trans people do not regret it and endure sacrifice and loss and transphobia in order to express their identity, which is not something they would do if it was just a fad.
The third stream of evidence is neurological. Recent studies have shown that the brains of trans people are more like the gender they try to be instead of the sex they were born into.
This is now the second time I write my argument out completely for you guys. Feel free to address it.
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Drlee wrote:Exactly. Not everything someone proclaims is a real thing. That is why these issues must be researched by medical professionals.
For the third or fourth time, the movement for equality for trans and non binary people ismnot about convincing conservatives. Your feelings and opinions are not relevant.
Do not get me wrong. It would be great if you guys agreed, but we are not here to change you.
The point is to change society so that people can no longer discriminate against trans and non binary people.
I get that POD wants to sing protest songs with all comers. I get that he relishes in calling anyone who is skeptical of some new disease a bigot. It makes him feel righteous.
This part here is irrelevant and is solely a personal attack. Classy....
People like him run the risk of empowering people to do damage to themselves. To have their potentially treatable illnesses go untreated. And hand the bill for this (illness or sophistry) to the tax payers, who for their money, get more people with more uncured misery.
Please 0rovide evidence for this claim.
There is a crack in everything,
That's how the light gets in...