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ness31 wrote:I thought maybe it was because the global sexual ratio was off; you know, skewed to there being more males than females..and maybe even age differences :hmm:


Actually that probably is a contributing factor for a few countries, certainly China where the sex ratio is grossly distorted by sex selective abortions against girls as a consequence of the one child policy.

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#14997953
Pants-of-dog wrote:I am not even sure this is a real thing.

By that I mean that I am not sure that there is actually a significantly higher percentage of sexless men than there were a decade or two ago, or even more.



Hm, well we have a name for it now. I was shocked to learn what an ‘incel’ was. I’d say we certainly have all the right circumstances in society right now for it to have increased dramatically then in times gone by...but you’re right, who can say for sure :hmm:

@SolarCross its always been China. We’ve known about that for the last 30 years at least. They could have a breakaway Kingdom called Inceldom :eek:
#14997957
Incels are just what we used to call virgins. It's nothing new. Increased awareness and perception of it, is new. They used to call these people nerds, or socially challenged, too.
#14997964
Incel to me means involuntary celibate. Someone who wants to have sex but can’t acquire a partner to do so. Nothing to do with virgins I thought...
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#14997967
ness31 wrote:Incel to me means involuntary celibate. Someone who wants to have sex but can’t acquire a partner to do so. Nothing to do with virgins I thought...

I agree.
And as I said earlier, the law doesn't make it any easier for those unfortunates..
If he wants to use a prostitute, he can get arrested.
If he want to use a sex robot, the feminists do not agree and are trying to outlaw that.
What should they do ?

Look for second- or third hand wives ?
There must probably be something wrong with them if they are available again. :|


Or go to a poorer country and get a good new one attracted by money and higher status ?
It is frowned upon but still legal.
(for the record : I am not trolling anyone in particular)
#14997971
Prostitution laws have not changed to any significant degree in the lat 30 years.

There were no sex robots 30 years ago.

There was no internet 30 years ago with lots of access to porn.

Awareness of people not getting sex is the only thing that has changed. That, and that a lot of younger people spend more time online relationships than in real relationships.

Being "involuntarily celibate" is simple a term meant to gain sympathy. It's a claim to victim-hood, for people who are not victims.


Here's a good article:
[b]7 Reasons Why Young People Are Having Less Sex[/b]
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/bl ... g-less-sex
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I think point number 7 in that article may have a lot to do with things. It’s labelled as the ‘rise of individualism’ but that might not be the best way to describe it. Put another way, all those closet lesbians that may have once got married due to societal pressure thus giving a man a sexual partner are now out of the pool :p

Aww.

Well I don’t know the solution. I’d have really thought that if someone wanted to get laid and was able to carry a conversation they would have a goody chance to find someone, at least for some casual sex. Maybe not the stuff or relationships...but at least to let off some steam.

Are we defining this incel thing correctly? Is it sex they want or a significant other? The second is much, much harder to get :hmm:
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Godstud wrote:Being "involuntarily celibate" is simple a term meant to gain sympathy. It's a claim to victim-hood, for people who are not victims.


Here! Here! :cheers:
#14999001
My friend said it right...

"Incels are younger men in desperate need of the guidance of older males.".
#14999074
Godstud wrote:"Incels are younger men in desperate need of the guidance of older males.".


This is correct, they need some lessons is basic self-care and victor (rather than victim) mentality.

Women are not attracted to desperation. Period.
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Godstud wrote:Awareness of people not getting sex is the only thing that has changed. That, and that a lot of younger people spend more time online relationships than in real relationships.


Or the younger people are spending more time gaming or being glued to their cell screens. So many people have instagram and snapchat and I'm thinking, "What is the point?" I think those type of apps are a drain on time. People could be reading a book or going places but instead they are spending so much time in front of some kind of screen. There are some gamers in the office and most of them seem a bit like airheads with the exception of one older guy in his 40s who probably hasn't been gaming for long so he spent most of his life reading and actually learning how to do things.

Victoribus Spolia wrote:Women are not attracted to desperation. Period.


Unless the woman is the type that tries to mend broken things. I used to think I could help the underdog or befriend the lonely, hurt people. But I learned that it was a moot cause and I probably got bitten at least once, so I gave up. I just have this tendency to want to help people but I know now that sometimes I have to accept that I cannot try to fix things, especially if my help is not requested.
#14999164
Yes, there are women who want to mend broken things, but that never ends well, as it's simply a person doing it primarily out of pity.

Yes, social media should be renamed to anti-social media, which it actually is.
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@Godstud

I know this is an old thread and I hope the owners and administrators of the forum don't mind me bringing this topic back up. Would this be regarded as "necro posting" so to speak? I was reading about how people use Tinder. When I was a single man I NEVER used Tinder and if I were ever single again, I STILL wouldn't use Tinder. I mean, you don't know those women you are meeting on Tinder. I like to get to know somebody first and for a little while before I take things to another level.

When I was single, most of the women I met were at coffee shops or bars. I had some pretty mad confidence even though I wasn't very good looking and after a while I got good with being witty too when you get some of the ladies with a bit of attitude and had some good comebacks that didn't make me look needy, desperate, mean or disrespectful and made me look "smooth."

My first wife (whom I later divorced) I met when I was drunk talking to her over the phone. That was a LONG time ago (I don't drink anymore). I'll be honest with you, I never really thought of myself as a handsome man. I didn't have the advantages that tall handsome dudes had. It was just mainly confidence and going up and talking to the ladies in a sort of "smooth" fashion or as you like to say as a "regular person." :lol: Personally, I learned a ton in my past relationships and I think it has enabled me to have a very happy marriage today.
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@Politics_Observer These old threads are often resurrected from the dead.

Confidence, personality, kindness, compassion and wit are big attractants to women. Good looks are great as an initial attractant, but even the best looking person, lacking personality and depth, gets tiresome.
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@Godstud

Yeah, for me to get a wife or girlfriend, I had to put myself out there and make the approach. The ladies aren't going to talk to you, especially if you are not a tall handsome dude. In my opinion, the women aren't going to come to you. You just have to put yourself out there and talk to them. Otherwise, they won't even consider you. I mean, after awhile, I had women hit on me, but in most cases, when you are a guy, you have to make the first move. You will totally suck and have some epic fails. I know I had some epic fails ha ha ha ha ! :lol: You can look back on your epic fails and laugh at yourself and some of your guy friends will laugh at you and make fun of you too. It's no big deal. When you first do it, you will fail a lot. It's like anything in life, you have to pick yourself up after failing, learn from it and carry on. But after a while you start figuring things out and getting better at it.
#15115456
One of the most important things I discovered as I got older was that women liked to be treated as fellow humans and given respect. Also, being a bit humble never hurts, and being able to laugh at yourself shows confidence and strength.

Insecurity is a big turn-off, as is desperation.

The times I had the most success with women, was when I was carefree and actually not looking to be with a woman. That's how I met my wife. :D
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@Godstud

I was looking when I met my first wife and second wife but I wasn't like desperate or needy or anything like that. But you also have to admit, it's funny to watch a guy make an approach and just totally crash and burn and have an epic fail :lol: . I have been on the receiving end of epic fails and it was pretty damn funny as it is to watch other guys crash and burn and have similar epic fails. You're just like "DUDE! EPIC FAIL!" ha ha ha ha! :lol:
#15115458
Yes, I've watched that happen many times, but it was often by guys who had ulterior motives or weren't very serious, and so you were hardly cheering them on. The fails were fast and furious! The best women see thru that sort of thing.

What's even better, though. is having people expect you to crash and burn(epic fail) when asking an attractive woman out, and instead ending up with her. :D
#15115461
@Godstud

For me, when I eventually asked for a phone number and I would sometimes get fake numbers. So, I switched tactics and would indirectly ask for their phone number with " So, how do we continue this conversation?" That way if they wanted to really give me their number they would and if they bluntly asked me "are you asking me for my telephone number?" I would play it off with "Now, hold on a minute, I wasn't asking you for your telephone number, I was just wondering how we could continue this conversation, that's all." And if they said "I'll see you next time and we'll talk" I would be like "sounds cool!"

Once I got a phone number, I would wait like three days before I called them, made sure I was the one who always ended the conversation on the phone and would ask them out to a cup of coffee or some frozen yogurt in a public place. I feel this way was the best approach as it was a low pressure approach where I didn't have to spend a ton of money taking her out to eat on a first date or something of that nature. I guess some would call me cheap, but in my opinion, when you are first getting to know a woman I feel the low pressure approach of frozen yogurt or a cup of coffee is best. Then maybe eventually take her out to eat as I get to know her better if things progress beyond coffee or frozen yogurt. You know what they say, slow is smooth and smooth is fast.
#15115465
SolarCross wrote:Actually that probably is a contributing factor for a few countries, certainly China where the sex ratio is grossly distorted by sex selective abortions against girls as a consequence of the one child policy.

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