ness31 wrote:Why pledge a billion dollars now if its future won't be secured?
They are afraid of the Gilets Jaunes and want to appear pro-French even though they have done their level best to sell France out to the EU.
B0ycey wrote:I don't really give a shit about PoFo members racist views to be insulted Blackjack.
You don't seem to even know the meaning of the term "racism," as you must have picked it up from some idiot multiculturalist. You should be ashamed because your ignorance is being called out. How many times does it have to be pointed out to people like you that Islam is a religion, not a race? There are lots of Muslims of every race imaginable. Kosovo broke away from Serbia, because its population was Muslim and the Serbs are Christian--they are both European populations. Albanians are majority Muslim--they are European. Chechens fight the Russian Federation, because they are Muslims, whereas Russians are Orthodox Christians--they are both Caucasians. By the way, I have Russian friends too and I can even speak a little Russian. When the US had trouble pacifying the Philippines in the aftermath of the Spanish-American war, it was because they had some tough fights with Moros--Filipino Muslims who adhere to the Al-Shafi‘i school of Islamic law. When I speak of helping a black man triple his salary back in the late 1990s, that is my friend Ali from Cameroon, Africa--he's Muslim; oh, and he's black too. He is allergic to nuts, shellfish and some other things and prefers to eat Halal--it's a pain in the ass going to lunch with him to find something he's willing to eat. People think he's a health nut only to see him eating some sugar candies--he can't eat chocolate either (allergic).
B0ycey wrote:I only pointed out that your OP happened to mention the building turning into a mosque and how quick you seem to link negative things to Islam with most of your posts.
Enumerate one negative thing I have said about Islam! For your information, about this time one week and one day from now, I plan on visiting the Sheik Zayed Grand Mosque in Abu Dhabi. I could be like you and go visit Ferrari World instead, but I have my priorities straight. Explain how I am an Islamophobe if I am going to be spending a week in the United Arab Emirates, or if I have friends who are Muslim? People are not racists just because they disagree with multiculturalism (note, they didn't elect to call it multiracialism). I do not drink alcohol; I do not believe in gay marriage; I do believe in God; I don't think men and women are equal; my vocabulary is well-developed enough that I can express myself without swearing--which one of us do you think is likely to get along with Muslims better?
Beren wrote:Which only proves the right hates the Muslims even more than Macron, whereas the alternative is a general antipathy towards the French, so French Muslims must be the worst.
I don't think all people on the right hate Muslims. Quite the contrary. Many conservatives actually like Islam, as Islam is considerably more conservative than conservative Christians. The left tries using Christianity to turn it into compassion for things the bible prohibits--Sympathy for the Devil as the Rolling Stones characterize it.
Beren wrote:Also, @blackjack21, we don't need Muslims to have antisemitism in Europe and never have, and Christians had been persecuted as well way before Islam appeared on this earth.
I don't think anybody needs an education on that point. Socialists are notoriously anti-Jewish, and they are increasingly hostile to Christianity as well. This is among the many reasons why people like May, Macron and Merkel are all facing terminal political lives.
Drlee wrote:It is true to the extent that we no longer use policy and planning to implement our cultural goals. We use shaming and name calling. Look at the US. Since no kind of reasonable immigration policy can be codified into law we have the right proposing limits and the left blocking that in the congress. We have, essentially, an immigration policy based upon what the executive can get away with in the courts and the counter simply name calling and PC ranting.
Well that's true in Europe too, and it is why the EU is falling apart. The EU wants to hang on to Britain, because Britain pays tribute to the EU. As countries that pose liabilities like Italy actively seek to leave, the EU will have much bigger problems because they will have an incentive to allow those who impose financial burdens to exit. The EU is pretty much doomed, and I think people will recall Merkel's leadership as a key reason it failed.
Drlee wrote:Why this thread became about Muslims evades me. It is about a fire and the aftermath.
B0cey does not strike me as a defender of the Islamic faith, but rather an adherent to idiotic multicultural orthodoxy. He just thought that he could twist what I said into an anti-Islamic rant on my part, which it was not and I did not oblige him. I can just highlight the fact that he is one of those who characterizes those who oppose Islam as "racist" in spite of it being regularly pointed out that Islam is not a race, but a religion. I wonder if that degree of stupidity is actually common among policy makers too.
Drlee wrote:But it does serve to remind us just how close to the surface these issues are.
Notre Dame should be rebuilt. So should Christianity in Europe. Europe has lost its identity. It was inevitable with the EU which was as culturally destructive as the Taliban.
Congratulations on getting the point! We may not agree on many things, but at least you are literate.
A great deal of what was foundational to socialism came out of Christianity. The point of making the "social gospel" secular was to broaden its appeal to different Christian sects and Jews too, not to stamp out religion. Unfortunately, Marxist were too extreme.
Red_Army wrote:There's a significant difference between American elites and the average person as well, but the average American is still sitting on their ass doing nothing.
Americans elected Donald Trump, who pulled out of the TPP, pulled out of the Paris climate accord, and says "Merry Christmas". Trump routinely trolls the political left. The American right has driven the establishment nuts. They have gotten much further than Marine Le Pen has in France. They set up the Tea Party, primaried Republican leadership--and successfully in many cases. We have had two people quit the position of Speaker of the House--I omit Gingrich, because he was trying to set a Washington-like standard of 8 years. Pelosi fought for the position and is finding the job miserable and it hasn't even been six months for her. Americans are changing how they vote. When France does that, they will start seeing change. They just have to get used to voting for people that media calls "racist" and so forth. Europe has a more violent history in that regard, so people are a little more circumspect. However, eventually Europeans may simply adopt hard right politicians, because there is no other palatable alternative that isn't leftist or multicultural.
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