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My great grandfather on my father's side was German, whilst my grandmother on my mother's side was Austrian (which is practically the same country of course), so I'm here to say, I am also somewhat German (at least by American standards).

Once America builds a base somewhere they never leave. There are many bases in Germany because America conquered Germany and built a bunch of bases there.

I don't know about the political situation in Germany with respect to this situation. I know about the situation in Japan a lot better. In Japan, the government likes the US bases (the US pays the freight for the military), but the citizens hate it. (Except the right wingers of course, which you might say is a little ironic, since they are by-in-large extreme nationalists who want to see all foreigners expelled or killed. But then, it isn't that ironic if you consider that they have a fascist streak in them, and so in actuality only wish to follow whatever the rightwing politicians tell them to follow.)

How or if this relates to Germany? You tell me, I guess.
#15003338
dontwastemytime wrote:Ok..... now, the question.


Why don't Germany rid their US bases? Because they are part of NATO and it is a defensive strategic error to do so.

Nonetheless maybe in time they might do just that. Germany and the EU are investing their money into PESCO and perhaps NATO is becoming obsolete. But while Germany has no real security defence without US support they aren't going to be sending what little defence they have home.
#15003341
dontwastemytime wrote:So why doesn't Europe use the same technique to manipulate its masses to want to destroy them?

And besides, everybody knows that they are evil!


There is no good or evil in politics. :roll: Just interests that need to be achieved or maintained. Good and evil are labels that mostly historians put to political actions post fact. If you win the chances of you being labeled evil is pretty low.
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dontwastemytime wrote:As if condemning them would actually do anything?

Seriously, Europeans..... if you hate them, if they are the source of all evils in the world and you find them arrogant and just plain annoying..... why don't you invade them and put an end to their evil ways?

Why are you always complaining about Trump? Do something!? Stage a coup to get rid of him?

Ally yourselves with Russia and China and take them all out?

Why are you Europeans all talk?

Where are your balls, the balls that you had way back before when you were ruling the world? Did you lose it in one of your ex colonies? Maybe you lost in Germany or something?


Nonsense-

Your name says it all, STOP wasting time & space.

TRUMP is America's 'problem'- not europe's, so stop trolling silly statements.

'Evil' or 'good' are subjective 'moral' questions, again, without foundation.

'Talking' is a universal trait, not just european, or haven't you noticed?

Feminisation is not a result of global domination, rather the opposite, a combination of 'liberal' & 'Left Wing' ideology based on psuedo 'equality'.
It's also generational, lack of direction or purpose in life, other than selfish materialism without responsibility & is the fallout of pollution from use of chemicals at home-work-or play.

When you foul the environment, sooner or later, you have to submit yourself to the effects of what is done, as a biblical verse states(Isiah 5.v35)"And they shall sit on a wall, they shall eat their own dung & drink their own piss".

Now, without taking the 'proverbials', I have a busy day ahead of me, ciao. :p
#15003350
dontwastemytime wrote:Are you German?

Can Germans only answer please?

No Germans can't answer, the few Germans wise enough to see reality are generally wise generally enough to keep to keep their heads down. I used to say there are two stages to wisdom. The first stage is to understand the world. The second is to learn to keep it to themselves.

So was I just guilty of performative contradiction? (a fancy name for hypocrisy.). Well maybe there is a third stage. If can be fun to attack people's fundamental identity, but don't be surprised if they lash back.

Germany's problem is they have drunk deeply on the notion of good and evil, perhaps more than any people in history. The modern German identity is built around not being Nazis. "The Nazis were evil." Hence the Nazis are the antithesis against which the Good must define itself. At a fundamental level modern ideological discourse has become a pissing contest of who can be the most un-Nazi. So there are many claims for the title of the Anti-Nazi or the unNazis.

The Zionists say the Jews were Hitlers antithesis hence we the Jewish State, must be the supreme un-Nazis.

The Palestinians say, Israel is the most extreme and most open White- supremacist ethno state in the world today, hence we are the UnNazis.

The Soviets said we are the extreme Left who fought the extreme right Nazis in the greatest war in history, therefore we must be the UnNazis.

The American Exceptionalists say we are the liberty-loving, civic-patriot, Constitutional, individualists opposed to the collectivist anti- constitutional ethno-nationalist socialist Nazis. We are the UnNazis.

The British Chauvinists say "We stood alone." ........

The Feminists say ......

The Islamorealists / Islamosceptics / Islamophobics say ......

The "International Law" mongers say ........

You get the idea. I could carry on but I'm getting bored. Fill in the blanks for yourself.
#15003358
dontwastemytime wrote:No, I believe that it is.

After years of propaganda, it should be.

IMHO if the EU ever gets its army, and they feel like flexing their muscles, they will look to expand their sphere of influence vs Russia, Middle East and North Africa. European militarists being mindful of the results of the last two world wars they will probably want to remain neutral or even allied with the US if they can.
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SolarCross wrote:IMHO if the EU ever gets its army, and they feel like flexing their muscles, they will look to expand their sphere of influence vs Russia, Middle East and North Africa. European militarists being mindful of the results of the last two world wars they will probably want to remain neutral or even allied with the US if they can.


Nonsense-

The whole purpose of having a military force, is to deter potential agressors & primarily as a defensive force.

On that basis I would digress from your own opinion, because agressive assertion of power is a non-runner under international law & reflection on the post 1945 war crimes trials involving the Nazis ought to focus the minds of those with such thoughts in the future.
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