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#15010038
annatar1914 wrote:For God's sake either push them all out, those who identify as Palestinians anyway, or give up on the inane quest for a ''Jewish and Democratic Nation-State'' which in context is a contradiction in terms.

Israel can be both a Jewish state and democratic at the same time. There is nothing contradictory about that. They vote in democratic elections already.
#15010039
Hindsite wrote:Israel can be both a Jewish state and democratic at the same time. There is nothing contradictory about that. They vote in democratic elections already.


When you disenfranchise the majority of people in a territory from being citizens, by stupidly however making them live under ''Palestinian Authority'' instead of just kicking them out, you are asking for attacks and living under a Police State security regime where nobody feels safe and all have reason to be pissed off as any rational human being would.

If the Israelis were to expel all but a fraction of non-Jews, they could live pretty much as they should under the circumstances, BUT... They'd probably lose all the goodwill of the world and certainly their neighbors (what little goodwill they have there anyway) even more so, and definitely the United States.

You live in a fantasy land if you think that the present Apartheid type arrangement of Palestinian ''Bantusans'' like the Afrikaners had in South Africa, with unequal rights for blacks outside the Bantusans also (with the same justification as the Israelis have of their ''Security'')is somehow right and just.

The Israeli situation is impossible, both too much and not enough, full of contradictions that will only end in mass slaughter. But you're okay with that it seems.
#15010053
annatar1914 wrote:The Israeli situation is impossible, both too much and not enough, full of contradictions that will only end in mass slaughter. But you're okay with that it seems.

I disagree. Those in Israel are simply trying to build a safe, secure, and prosperous nation by using free market capitalism and a democratic form of government.
#15010073
IDF troops might get latest Tavor 7 bullpup assault rifle

"You don't want to get hit by something like this."

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Troops in the Israel’s military might have their weapons upgraded to Israel Weapon Industries (IWI) latest Tavor 7 Bullpup assault rifle, two years after it went on the market to American civilians.

First used by the IDF in 2006, the Tavor replaced the American-made M-16 and M-14 rifles and has since become the primary assault rifle for all IDF infantry and special forces units.
The Tavor 7 is expected to be fielded by sharpshooters in IDF infantry brigades next year, The Jerusalem Post learned on Tuesday, even though it went on the shelves in the United States in July of last year and a short search online has the assault rifle going for between $1,700 and $2,000 in the US.

“This weapon, which has better ballistics, has more force and a longer range,” Gilad Hemsani from IWI told the Post on Tuesday. “Sniper rifles have the same caliber of bullets as the Tavor 7 assault rifle. You don’t want to get hit by something like this.”

Compared to older models, the Tavor 7 is larger due to the bullets used – 762 x 51 mm. – which are the biggest caliber bullets used by assault forces.

Hemsani explained to the Post that the Tavor 7 is designed for sharpshooters in infantry forces as it has more stability and a range of 500 meters. It can also be used in indoor operations, fighting from vehicles, urban areas and in other situations.

“The great advantage of this weapon over other weapons is that it can almost be a sniper rifle,” as it is also a relatively lightweight even with sniper scopes added on to it, Hemsani said, adding that the rifle features a classic gas-operated, short-stroke piston action.

It is made with high-strength, impact-modified polymer, its metal parts are corrosion resistant and it comes with replaceable barrels available in two lengths. Measuring 28 inches long, it weighs about 9 pounds without a magazine, it is characterized by enhanced accuracy and longer life cycle.

“Tavor 7 is a battle-ready innovative weapon, built to be durable and robust, designed in close collaboration with the IDF to create a weapon with outstanding performance and accuracy in all environmental conditions with enhanced human ergonomics,” IWI said.

Designed to be more reliable, durable for minimum operator maintenance, it has a compact bullpup configuration enabling the rapid acquisition of target and can fire approximately 600 to 900 rounds per minute. The Tavor 7 can also be fired using only one hand and complies with most NATO standards.

The Tavor 7 assault rifle is a fully ambidextrous weapon with the ejection side and charging handle as well as the safety lever and magazine release quickly interchangeable from side to side by the user. The pistol grip can also be changed or modified.

Additional features of the Tavor 7 include a short stroke gas piston with four available positions – regular conditions, extreme conditions, suppressor and closed conditions, which are uniquely designed for the needs of special operations.

It is available in four colors, but if you are looking for a pink or golden Tavor 7, you are out of luck. It comes in Sniper Gray, OD Green, Black and Flat Dark Earth.

A leader in defense, the world has for many years looked to the Jewish state for security and intelligence, and Israel’s defense industry has leading international companies exporting to countries across the globe.

IWI’s Tavors are also in use by government bodies, law enforcement officers and police SWAT teams worldwide, exported to more than 30 countries including Columbia, Georgia, Guatemala, India, the Philippines, Portugal and Thailand.

The Tavor 7, unveiled last year at Eurosatory 2018, was highlighted at the company’s pavilion at the ISDEF 2019 exhibition in Tel Aviv.

The three-day-long 10th annual ISDEF exhibition organized by Avnon Group is currently taking place at the Tel Aviv Fairgrounds, and has brought in officials and delegates from dozens of countries from around the world and more than 300 exhibitors.

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/IDF-t ... fle-591575

In view of the terrorist's threat, it is good to see the IDF getting appropriate weaponry.
Better be safe than sorry !
Hallelujah and Shalom !
#15010082
colliric wrote:I agree with you @annatar1914. I am happy however to see that Warhawkyahu is likely finally going and that there is some hope for change. I hope he retires after it all goes down.


netanyahu may go down but gantz will not win mark my words the right will win again the only question who is going to be the prime minister and thats definetly not someone from the left
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Hindsite wrote:I disagree. Those in Israel are simply trying to build a safe, secure, and prosperous nation by using free market capitalism and a democratic form of government.


Israel does not have a Constitution and civil law there is based-believe it or not!-on the civic ordinances governing the Holy Land when the Ottoman Turkish Empire ruled there for some 500 years.

Nor is Israel involved in ''free market Capitalism'', but rather is economically governed by what you would definitely call a ''Socialist'' arrangement.

You really know very little about the country you and your deranged death cult worship, not apparently do they know much about you folks because both sides would probably be horrified...
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@Hindsite

Israel does not have a Constitution and civil law there is based-believe it or not!-on the civic ordinances governing the Holy Land when the Ottoman Turkish Empire ruled there for some 500 years.

Nor is Israel involved in ''free market Capitalism'', but rather is economically governed by what you would definitely call a ''Socialist'' arrangement.

You really know very little about the country you and your deranged death cult worship, nor apparently do they know much about you folks because both sides would probably be horrified...
#15010489
Early Israel was about as socialist as the Nazis were, i.e., not very at all. I don't know why people act like ethnosupremacist settler-colonialism was ever socialist. :lol:

This week last year savage snipers shot this medic in concentration camp Gaza while she had her hands raised, as reported by one of many anti-Zionist Jewish organisations. Her name was Razan.


I heard the footage in this film is horrific. It'll be available for free online soon.


#15010523
skinster wrote:Early Israel was about as socialist as the Nazis were, i.e., not very at all. I don't know why people act like ethnosupremacist settler-colonialism was ever socialist. :lol:

This week last year savage snipers shot this medic in concentration camp Gaza while she had her hands raised, as reported by one of many anti-Zionist Jewish organisations. Her name was Razan.

Why do you keep posting this propaganda from Twitter?
#15010558
Thousands of Arabs rioting at the border with Israel, throwing rocks, molotov cocktails, burning tyres, shooting catapults, trying to damage the border fence, releasing balloons with incendiary devices and even bombs attached, and so now and then shooting rockets with explosive heads in to Israeli civilian areas.

And then they come whining when somebody gets hurt. Oy vey :eek: :roll:
#15010799
By the sounds of how you sound Ter, it seems like you'd be the type to suicide bomb yourself if you were forced to live in a concentration camp like Palestinians in Gaza are, but most likely you'd only have an option to do that in the West Bank, since Israel has placed hundreds of thousands of Jewish settlers in that Palestinian territory (there are none in Gaza).

Protesting against their conditions is not a crime and anyone in the position of Palestinians would do so, that's what you don't seem to understand; it appears to be human nature, since resistance to occupation has been a thing throughout history. The early Zionists were open about this, they knew ethnically cleansing Palestine of its natives was going to be difficult, and of course that's continuing to be proven correct.

Aside from that, Palestinians are within their rights to resist occupation, legally - and morally - including with using arms.

Of course it's mainly fruitless since they're no match whatsoever to the army and weaponary amongst the largest terrorist organisations the world knows, known as the IDF and IOF.



Anyway, back on topic:





#15010870
annatar1914 wrote:@Hindsite

Israel does not have a Constitution and civil law there is based-believe it or not!-on the civic ordinances governing the Holy Land when the Ottoman Turkish Empire ruled there for some 500 years.

Nor is Israel involved in ''free market Capitalism'', but rather is economically governed by what you would definitely call a ''Socialist'' arrangement.

You really know very little about the country you and your deranged death cult worship, nor apparently do they know much about you folks because both sides would probably be horrified...

I do know that a democracy does not require a constitution.
#15010871
Hindsite wrote:I do know that a democracy does not require a constitution.


Try living in one or trying to govern one without a constitution... Actually that would be Anarchism.

Actually a republic does require a written or unwritten set of laws that constitute the legal framework for any kind of State. In Israel's case, as I mentioned earlier, what law there is comes from the civil and religious ordinances of the Muslim Ottoman Turkish empire.

I don't know what you think that you're trying to prove with this kind of talk, because even Israelis know that their political and legal system is a mess, full of contradictions. I imagine that living there provides a measure of realism to a degree.
#15010872
skinster wrote:Of course it's mainly fruitless since they're no match whatsoever to the army and weaponary amongst the largest terrorist organisations the world knows, known as the IDF and IOF.

IDF is not a terrorist organizations, for your information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces
#15010874
annatar1914 wrote:Try living in one or trying to govern one without a constitution... Actually that would be Anarchism.

Actually a republic does require a written or unwritten set of laws that constitute the legal framework for any kind of State. In Israel's case, as I mentioned earlier, what law there is comes from the civil and religious ordinances of the Muslim Ottoman Turkish empire.

I don't know what you think that you're trying to prove with this kind of talk, because even Israelis know that their political and legal system is a mess, full of contradictions. I imagine that living there provides a measure of realism to a degree.

Israel has basic laws that have been written since they became a state and not under the Muslim Ottoman Turkish empire. The USA political and legal system is also a mess and we have a constitution, so it proves nothing.
#15010891
@Hindsite ;

Israel has basic laws that have been written since they became a state and not under the Muslim Ottoman Turkish empire.


You're not understanding what I'm saying. Those ''Basic Laws'' are ad hoc modern adjustments to the Ottoman Empire's civil code, and an example of that would be the Muslim Waqf Administration of the Temple Mount, and the codes governing dealings between the Israeli government and the various Christian denominations.


The USA political and legal system is also a mess and we have a constitution, so it proves nothing.


A person here at least has the potential capacity to know and defend themselves under the law, while in Israel every single ''right'' can be suspended for any reason or none at all.
#15011139
annatar1914 wrote:@Hindsite ;

You're not understanding what I'm saying. Those ''Basic Laws'' are ad hoc modern adjustments to the Ottoman Empire's civil code, and an example of that would be the Muslim Waqf Administration of the Temple Mount, and the codes governing dealings between the Israeli government and the various Christian denominations.

They decided not to write a constitution but instead write the laws they want. That is the way a democracy works.

annatar1914 wrote:A person here at least has the potential capacity to know and defend themselves under the law, while in Israel every single ''right'' can be suspended for any reason or none at all.

I seriously doubt that.
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