Kaiserschmarrn wrote:I'm aware that they invented a kind of "genocide" that doesn't warrant the name and is not covered under international law, hence why there is a conflation. The strongest arguments against their legal reasoning are that they retroactively apply a law that didn't exist before 1945, treat Canada as a state before it was one and expand the genocide definition beyond physical destruction. Hence, Trudeau knows that he can engage in this political stunt, as he has nothing to fear from an international court or tribunal.
How did they retroactively apply a law that did not exist before 1945? That would mean that they are looking at actions before that time, and applying the standards of 1945, but this particular commission was set up to look at the MMIW issue, which did not begin until 1980.
Are you expanding the scope of this report to include those genocidal actions and inactions that happened before 1945? It seems that you are since you are referring to events that happened prior to Confederation.
As for the “definition of genocide” debate, I have already addressed that multiple times.
Not addressing all of the alleged legacy is not committing genocide when the policy itself has been stopped decades ago,
These are the facts:
The government created this system with the deliberate intent of destroying indigenous communities.
This system was still going on during this generation, and by that I mean that some of the survivors are my age, and some of the ones who did not survive would have been my age. So this is not ancient history.
This system created a vast legacy of negative impacts focused on a specific ethnic minority. These impacts are so bad that widespread death, drug abuse, et cetera are common.
The government has studied these negative impacts and created a set of policies to address them, and then deliberately chosen not to enact any of them, knowing it is still causing death to a specific ethnic minority.
Now, please explain where I wrong about any of this.
and that I have to even say this is proof how far off the rail your side of the debate has gone. A five-fold increase in federal funding doesn't look like genocidal intent either
Again, this number is meaningless unless we compare it to how much is needed by indigenous communities.
We also have to look if this is just money that Trudeau has promised, or if it actually has been delivered.
and I'm none the wiser about the Indian Act.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_ActIt is, in essence, an additional set of laws that are imposed on a specific ethnic minority that has historically been used to oppress them, and that many argue still serves that role.
Do you deny that these indicators have dramatically improved for the indigenous population in the latter half of the 20th century?
I deny that they occurred as a result of Canadian government policy.
If you don't want to argue whether a particular word is applicable, I'd recommend not using it as a charge. I will ignore the musing about your feelings with respect to that issue from now on. There's no evidence whatsoever that Canada wants to wipe out its indigenous population, so people will invariably have a hard time taking this claim seriously. You shouldn't be surprised that westerners don't appreciate being baselessly called genocidal maniacs.
Again, the evidence that Canada is deliberately following policies that lead to the death of indigenous people and communities is the following:
1. Refusal to enact the TRC policies.
2. Refusal to enact the RCAP polices., both of which lead to...
3. Incredibly high rates of suicide, violent crime, drug abuse in indigenous communities.
4. Massive underfunding of infrastructure for indigenous communities, which leads to...
5. Widespread health issues, lack of schools, property loss and property damage, which leads to...
6. Widespread use of the foster care system to take indigenous children away from their families and raise them as white, which leads to...
7. All the problems listed in the TRC report and which the government has not addressed.
Do you feel like I have called someone a genocidal maniac?