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The genetic record suggests those of us further North were getting it on with Neanderthals, and we have some residual Neanderthal DNA. There is some genetic difference, like it or not.


Ah so that's why early Britons were black.

And Neanderthal DNA isn't particularly superior to others given that they, well, died out.

Damn. Now I have to take you more seriously...


Not like you'd be harder deal with anyways.
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Kaiserschmarrn wrote:I'm never quite sure how much is tactical or strategic and how much is just Trump's personality. The two probably seamlessly merge, but I always have to chuckle when people assert that Trump is dumb.


In this case, I think the original tweet was just his personality, but tactics and strategy came into play when he saw the reaction and figured out he could use it to spotlight the Squad.

In other words, he is actually a little racist, but more importantly, he knows how to use racism to get what he wants.
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Hindsite wrote:Yes, and the Holy Bible presents that truth in the first chapters. It is because of the original sin of our first two ancestors that we are actually devolving genetically, instead of evolving as evolutionists would have us falsely believe. Our current knowledge of DNA proves that we were intelligently designed and are also devolving into death just as the Holy Bible says.

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

(Genesis 3:17-19 KJV)

Praise the Lord.


Good to see we're agreeing on something so important :)

Of course, Liberals who are quite taken with Evolution won't own up to the Racist consequences of Evolution, ever, but it had to be said in my opinion and I'll pretty much leave it at that. Of course, Evolution was bound to be one of the foundational principles of Western civilization, believed in at heart by many Westerners even before Darwin came along, so there's no disproving it to them. With enough Time, and Magick, Western Man thinks anything is possible.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:In the USA, people who believe in Creationism are more likely to be racist than people who believe in evolution.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10 ... 8309352179


Not me. I'm a Creationist, and Anti-Racism.

And, most doctrinaire racists who intellectually express their racism are believers in evolution.
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annatar1914 wrote:Not me. I'm a Creationist, and Anti-Racism.

And, most doctrinaire racists who intellectually express their racism are believers in evolution.


I always knew you were not racist, and that you would be one of the many religious people who are not racist.

Yes, many “intellectual” believers in racism use evolution as a pseudoscience to support their incorrect beliefs. But that does not change the fact that religious racists use their religion to defend their racism.

Trump, meanwhile, is neither intellectual nor religious. He just uses racism as a tool to manipulate his voters.
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Hindsite wrote:Actually, it is in their minds as to how it is intended. Perhaps, they can't take a joke.


White people calling black people the n word is hardly ever a joke, unless you're wearing a KKK hoodie.

Hindsite wrote:I don't see anything that Trump has done as representing bigotry or racism. I see him as being patriotic to the USA.


Well you are quite alone then because even the pro-Trump crew in this thread are calling them statements "ethnic bigotry" "national chauvinism", "unconstitutional", etcetera.


Hindsite wrote:You sound like you are hallucinating. I certainly have NOT acquiesced to Trump's tweets as being racist just because he was criticizing Ilhan Abdullahi Omar, who came from the country of Somalia, for her anti-American, anti-Jewish, and anti-Israel comments. President Trump is not the only one that has criticized her and her cohorts for their comments. He is just the one the Democrat Main Stream Media news outlets concentrate on for their negative reporting.


Trump is the only one however that has said that based on their origins they should not be telling the US how it should be run when in fact that is their job as Congresswomen and their origins are not a reason for them to stop exercising their rights as Congresswomen.

What you said however is quite clear:

Hindsite wrote:That is because they do not prove the comment was racist. If it was meant to be racist, Trump would not have added at the end, "come back and show us how it is done." A racist would not say, "come back? A racist would say, "don't come back" or "stay away."


This post says that just because Trump said they should come back to the US once their task of waving magical wands is done, then it's not racist and that if he had not said that sentence(come back) then you would agree that he's racist since he has already told them to "go back where they came from".

I understand you are regretting your argument because even you comprehend Trump's rhetoric as too ridiculous to be taken seriously.


Hindsite wrote:Omar is also the one the crowd from the NC campaign rally referred to when they chanted, "Send her back." That was also not racist,


Your case is hopeless. I do not think there is anything that you would consider racist coming from your camp regardless of degree and evidence.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:I always knew you were not racist, and that you would be one of the many religious people who are not racist.

Yes, many “intellectual” believers in racism use evolution as a pseudoscience to support their incorrect beliefs. But that does not change the fact that religious racists use their religion to defend their racism.

Trump, meanwhile, is neither intellectual nor religious. He just uses racism as a tool to manipulate his voters.


I would also venture to hazard a guess that many if not most people outside Western Civilization, persons of color, the ''Third World'', are also Creationists of a sort, such as traditional Muslims, indigenous Amerindians, Asians, etc... To this very day.

As for Trump and his voting base... They are what they are, the bedrock of 21st century Americanism.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:I always knew you were not racist, and that you would be one of the many religious people who are not racist.

And I am Christian who is also not a racist.

Pants-of-dog wrote:Yes, many “intellectual” believers in racism use evolution as a pseudoscience to support their incorrect beliefs. But that does not change the fact that religious racists use their religion to defend their racism.

Trump, meanwhile, is neither intellectual nor religious. He just uses racism as a tool to manipulate his voters.

Trump is using patriotism, not racism. Calling it racism is an attempt to silence his call for patriotism. It is the same with those that refuse to stand at the playing of the national anthem for the first time in our history, claiming they were against racism by kneeling is disrespect to our anthem and our flag. Trump called it out for what it was -- not being patriotic. And now they claim even our first American flag made by Betsy Ross with 13 stars and strips is racist and banned it from Nike sneakers. It is simply more craziness coming from the left.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:And this is why Trump’s racist tactics will work again.


Because of Liberalism (as opposed to Leftism) I hesitate to call working class people that i'm very well understanding of, ''racists''. But Nativism is something that does resonate rationally with people rightfully fearful of immigrants driving down wages and increasing social costs.

Trump's out to defend the principle he firmly believes in; America=Capitalism/Capitalism=America, he knows what he's doing. Also, I'd say that he's more explicitly a Social Darwinist than an outright Racist, which to some might be a distinction without a difference but still...
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redcarpet wrote:ersonally, I’d choose Hanson’s suggestion that if you don’t respect the Australian way of life, “you can go back to where you come from” complete with an (thoughtful!) offer of a lift to the airport and not because catching a ride with someone who considers me a blight on society while overlooking my winning sense of humour is my personal Nightmare on Elm Street.

This seven-word phrase doesn’t offend as much it simply states the obvious.


You wanna' know what's offensive? The realization that you only count seven words in that quote...
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annatar1914 wrote:Because of Liberalism (as opposed to Leftism) I hesitate to call working class people that i'm very well understanding of, ''racists''. But Nativism is something that does resonate rationally with people rightfully fearful of immigrants driving down wages and increasing social costs.


No one called working class people “racists”.

And economic anxiety about immigrants is not what drives people to vote for Trump. Nor is it a rational fear.

Finally, it is irrelevant to his attacks on these congresspeople. The immigrants in question are not competing for jobs with US citizens, since they are already employed as congresspeople.

Trump's out to defend the principle he firmly believes in; America=Capitalism/Capitalism=America, he knows what he's doing. Also, I'd say that he's more explicitly a Social Darwinist than an outright Racist, which to some might be a distinction without a difference but still...


I do not care about what Trump personally believes.

What is important are his words and actions and their impact on others.
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@Pants-of-dog

No one called working class people “racists”.


That's what Trump's main voting bloc is, the working people of the United States, not the Bourgeoisie nor the Lumpenproletariat.

And economic anxiety about immigrants is not what drives people to vote for Trump. Nor is it a rational fear.


I agree enough with Karl Marx to say that this is exactly why most people are voting for Trump, and it is quite rational, as the other side most certainly doesn't represent them and even actively hates them.

Finally, it is irrelevant to his attacks on these congresspeople. The immigrants in question are not competing for jobs with US citizens, since they are already employed as congresspeople.


Not irrelevant at all, POD. These congresspeople represent those of the immigration wave that we've been discussing, and these congresspeople certainly don't truly represent the native population.


I do not care about what Trump personally believes.

What is important are his words and actions and their impact on others.


Well, what he plans and thinks is very important, since the ''Left'' has destroyed itself with identity politics.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:I do not care about what Trump personally believes.

What is important are his words and actions and their impact on others.

President Trump said, "We will never be a socialist country."
We Trump supporter are for capitalism, not socialism. We are also patriotic and respect the American flag.
HalleluYah
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Pants-of-dog wrote:I do not care about what Trump personally believes.

What is important are his words and actions and their impact on others.


His beliefs steer him. They steer him in what he says and in what he does.

But, hey, he probably doesn't give a shit about some Canuck sitting in a basement in Edmonton, either...
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noemon wrote:Aside from the fact that Trump considers these women as separate from the United Stated nation

This may be an ESL issue for you. Trump did not say he considered anybody separate from the "United Stated nation", whatever that means anyway.

noemon wrote:he is explicitly saying that these women cannot be telling the US how it is to be run due to their origins.

He didn't say that either. His implication is that they are inexperienced.

noemon wrote:As long as we all agree that Trump has engaged in ethnic-bigotry, it matters little if ethnic bigotry qualifies as "racism" in your semantic opinion.

No. We don't agree. I've already stated that Trump's statement could be construed as "nativist", however that was not his intent. His intent was to highlight their criticism of the United States, their antipathy for Jews and Israel, their radicalism by even Democratic party standards, and to do so in a way that triggered the PC movement so that the press--who would otherwise studiously ignore that criticism--would make it front page news for a few days so that they would champion Trump's point for him, while calling him a "bigot." His strategy worked beautifully.

noeomon wrote:I like how Hindsite has totally acquiesced to the reality that his tweets were totally racist but the only thing apparently not making them racist is his empty rhetorical task about them "going back-fixing imaginary countries with magical powers-then combing back".

You guys are 99.9% there already, congratulations. :up:

We understand it perfectly. He was trolling you, and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

annatar1914 wrote:Earlier adherents almost universally did apply Evolution to human beings, because human beings were the clear object of the theory's intellectual consequences, as witness not only the Work of Darwin or Wallace, but also more pointedly Spencer and Galton, Darwin's son-in -law.

Right. Cecil Rhoads was very clear in his writings about this, and Rudyard Kipling as well.

Palmyrene wrote:And Neanderthal DNA isn't particularly superior to others given that they, well, died out.

I haven't said anything about superior/inferior, just difference.

Palmyrene wrote:Not like you'd be harder deal with anyways.

On the other hand, you would be more of a challenge, because I'm not the least bit convinced that you are 15 years old and hailing from Syria.

Pants-of-dog wrote:he knows how to use racism to get what he wants.

You're getting closer to the truth.

annatar1914 wrote:Of course, Liberals who are quite taken with Evolution won't own up to the Racist consequences of Evolution, ever,

Or the Eugenics origin of modern abortion clinics... It's quite a peculiar phenomena, not unlike the tension Dr. Steve Turley was talking about between modernism and post-modernism--embracing post-modern philosophy, while living in a modern world, pushing globalism which is foundationally dependent on modernism, etc.

annatar1914 wrote:With enough Time, and Magick, Western Man thinks anything is possible.

Like the transmutation of men into women or women into men... even with knowledge of DNA. This is why leftist ideology is nothing but mindless barbarism.

noemon wrote:"unconstitutional",

Unconstitutional? What's unconstitutional about free speech?

noemon wrote:This post says that just because Trump said they should come back to the US once their task of waving magical wands is done, then it's not racist and that if he had not said that sentence(come back) then you would agree that he's racist since he has already told them to "go back where they came from".

His obvious intent was to troll people like you, and it worked fantastically well.

noemon wrote:too ridiculous to be taken seriously.

He puts a lot of humor into what he says. Ironically, it is you who are taking it so seriously, and his supporters who are laughing at you, because you got trolled.

Pants-of-dog wrote:No one called working class people “racists”.

Hillary Clinton did, but she could be construed to be no one.

annatar1914 wrote:That's what Trump's main voting bloc is, the working people of the United States, not the Bourgeoisie nor the Lumpenproletariat.

Trump gets most of the Republican vote, but that is not enough to win the White House. With large swaths of the population not wedded to either party, it's making the White House more of a crap shoot. Obama was a very unlikely president as well as Trump, and he constantly trolled racism. In many respects, Trump is just doing what Obama did. Apparently, it works.

annatar1914 wrote:as the other side most certainly doesn't represent them and even actively hates them.

That was the entire point of the trolling operation. Trump reminded the blue collar working class swing voters that the Democrats hate them, and the Democrats were only too happy to oblige him.

annatar1914 wrote:These congresspeople represent those of the immigration wave that we've been discussing, and these congresspeople certainly don't truly represent the native population.

Arguably AOC's free income for everyone whether you want to work or not is aimed at people on time-limited public assistance. So she's trolling to an audience of Americans as well.

annatar1914 wrote:Well, what he plans and thinks is very important, since the ''Left'' has destroyed itself with identity politics.

By embracing post-modern ideology and its political correctness among other things, the Democratic party has wittingly or unwittingly destroyed a long-term political majority that was the foundation of its party. They literally controlled the House of Representatives for 40 years straight with no interruptions this way. Gingrich ended that run. The Democrats feeling that they should rule and nobody should question them hasn't changed.
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