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#15019730
Pants-of-dog wrote:Your tax dollars and standard of living will be affected.

If we start now, the impact will be less and may even be beneficial in many ways.

If we wait, it will cost more, have more negative impacts, and will be mostly a series of reactions to events out of our control.


The problem is that most countries just don't seem to give a fuck. People expect countries like the United States to buck up and solve this problem, but that's not our job, nor should it be. If the planet is fucked up, we're not the only ones who fucked it up, nor should we be the only ones to try to rectify it.

Personally, I think it's a bit egotistical of us to believe we're capable of destroying the planet. It was around for a long fuckin' time before we showed up, and it'll be here for a long fuckin' time after we're gone. It's certainly handled more than we could ever hope to throw at it...
#15019977
BigSteve wrote:The problem is that most countries just don't seem to give a fuck. People expect countries like the United States to buck up and solve this problem, but that's not our job, nor should it be. If the planet is fucked up, we're not the only ones who fucked it up, nor should we be the only ones to try to rectify it.

Personally, I think it's a bit egotistical of us to believe we're capable of destroying the planet. It was around for a long fuckin' time before we showed up, and it'll be here for a long fuckin' time after we're gone. It's certainly handled more than we could ever hope to throw at it...


The 'problem' is, the industrial age, which brought upon us 'super-power' status as nations, through which industrial might is the method & measure of 'success'.

The flip-side, is the back-end of that process, the built in redundancy, the waste that lies in it's wake, in the form of climate change,environmental pollution,poverty, quality of life degradation for all living things, extreme health consequences such as obesity,diabetes & cancers in people of all ages.

There is a 'natural' order in nature that only time can create, which gave rise to the unique period in which evolution arose giving impetus to all living things to thrive & survive.

That is what is under severe threat in the current period, in fact, we compound our 'sins' by continuing in our behaviour in spite of the consequences of our actions.
Even the 'remedies' will exert an unacceptable cost on the planet, the only hope is a massive drop in the human population.

There are over 7 BILLION people on the planet, all of whom will be dead within 100 years or less, we need policies to reduce the replacements of that population, also penalties for not reducing them.
For a start, we should abolish state benefits for women that reproduce without an accountable breadwinner, who will be made responsible for providing for the child, similarly, all benefits, even to married couples with children should be curtailed & even taxes increased on them if they continue producing more children in excess of two.
Immigration should be much more restricted, overseas holidays should have a premium tax levied on them for environmental reasons.

Countries like Brazil should be subjected to financial sanctions resulting from the clearance of it's rain forest, any country that engages in logging practices should be subjected to trade sanctions, such as blocking exports of lumber, unless they agree a 'two-for-one' global arrangement, whereby, for every tree felled, two would be planted.
So-called 'mono-cultural' farming practices should be replaced with 'rotatonal' planting policies & chemical usage on plants, soil or farm animals, should be banned.

All world fisheries should have levies placed on them, to facilitate the creation of 'nurseries' so that fish stocks can be re-stocked to replace that which we take out of them, the price to be levied on the consumer & restrictions increased on seasonal fisheries to assist in stock recovery.

We need to undo the global damage we are doing to our planet, we can do that with the right policies, with the right tariffs imposed on those that extract for profit our common heritage, whether it be plants, animals, or the earth's environment.
#15019978
Nonsense wrote:The 'problem' is, the industrial age, which brought upon us 'super-power' status as nations, through which industrial might is the method & measure of 'success'.


And you can't unring that bell.

The best we can hope to do is adapt...
#15019981
BigSteve wrote:And you can't unring that bell.

The best we can hope to do is adapt...


Yes, 'adapt, or 'die', lol....In the meantime. :hmm: we keep twiddling our fingers, if capitalism caused the problem, then capitalism can take it's share of the burden to partly rectify the situation.

Either way, we consumers will pay the price & see little or nothing in return.

Maybe if we charged those who consider themselves 'capitalist' , a king's ransom for every breath that they take, maybe things will change for the better,but, I'm not holding my 'breath' on that one. :p .
#15019982
Nonsense wrote:Yes, 'adapt, or 'die', lol....In the meantime. :hmm: we keep twiddling our fingers, if capitalism caused the problem, then capitalism can take it's share of the burden to partly rectify the situation.

Either way, we consumers will pay the price & see little or nothing in return.

Maybe if we charged those who consider themselves 'capitalist' , a king's ransom for every breath that they take, maybe things will change for the better,but, I'm not holding my 'breath' on that one. :p .


Exactly.

Adapt.

We can't stop it and we can't undo it, and whining about it accomplishes nothing...
#15020207
Pants-of-dog wrote:We could stop it, if we made an actual effort.

But we will not since there is no profit to be made.

The idea that we can do nothing about it is incorrect.

The main point is that there is no profit in it. Our free enterprise system of economics operates on profits. So you must show that there are profits to be made. So far, only evidence of big losses.
#15020903
Pants-of-dog wrote:Yes, thanks for agreeing that capitalism is inherently ill suited to dealing with this problem.

At this point, it is not about making money, but about losing the smallest amount possible. Which is why we should start now.

Do you really want to start losing the largest amount possible, now? That sounds like a good recipe for a quick apocalypse.
#15021020
The Dutch meteorological service, KNMI, said the temperature reached 39.1C (102F) at Gilze-Rijen airbase near the southern city of Tilburg on Wednesday afternoon, exceeding the previous high of 38.6C set in August 1944.

In Belgium, the temperature in Kleine-Brogel hit 38.9C, fractionally higher than the previous record of 38.8C set in June 1947. Forecasters said temperatures could climb further on Wednesday and again on Thursday.

After several cities in France broke previous temperature records on Tuesday, including Bordeaux, which hit 41.2C, the national weather service, Météo France, said Paris was likely to beat its all-time high of 40.4C, set in July 1947, with 42C on Thursday.

The highest ever June temperatures were recorded in the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria, Andorra, Luxembourg, Poland and Germany, while France registered an all-time record high of 45.9C in the southern commune of Gallargues-le-Montueux.

Clare Nullis, a World Meteorological Organization spokeswoman, said the heatwaves bore the “hallmark of climate change”. The extreme events were “becoming more frequent, they’re starting earlier and they’re becoming more intense”, she said. “It’s not a problem that’s going to go away.”

Research reveals that the global transition away from fossil fuels is likely inevitable, regardless of whether major nations adopt climate polices that promote renewable energy. The study flies in the face of world leaders like President Trump, who have promised to revive the struggling coal industry at the expense of renewable energy. :?:

"Our analysis suggests that, contrary to investor expectations, the stranding of fossil fuels assets may happen even without new climate policies," said co-author Jorge Viñuales, the chair of Law and Environmental Policy at Cambridge University.

"This suggests a carbon bubble is forming and it is likely to burst." On our current trajectory, the fossil fuel industry will be forced to abandon vast reserves of fossil fuels sometime before 2035. Overall, this would amount to a loss of between $1 trillion and $4 trillion in fossil fuel assets alone - roughly four to six times bigger than the 2008 financial crisis, which triggered the loss of $0.25 trillion.

researchers believe that China is poised to benefit the most if the carbon bubble does indeed pop.

"China is already a world leader in renewable energy technologies, and needs to deploy them domestically to tackle dangerous levels of pollution," said Viñuales.

"Additionally, stranding would take a higher toll on some of its main geopolitical competitors. China has a strong incentive to push for climate policies."

The research suggests that if the US does not start divesting from fossil fuels, China will lead the way in future energy markets.
#15021449
108.7 degrees in Paris today, highest ever. In Austria, the national railway service began painting stretches of track in white, in hopes of preventing them from getting so hot that they bend. Similar projects were taking place in parts of Germany and Switzerland. It's here kids but ….. not to worry. Obese Donald sez that everything is just fine :eek: .
#15021452
jimjam wrote:"China is already a world leader in renewable energy technologies, and needs to deploy them domestically to tackle dangerous levels of pollution," said Viñuales.


With so many people in China yearning for (economic) American living standards, their energy demand will be so great that even a tiny fraction of their energy consumption is renewable, they will still "lead the world". Better check their use and extraction of fossil fuels before declaring that China is the good guy here.
#15021455
Patrickov wrote:With so many people in China yearning for (economic) American living standards, their energy demand will be so great that even a tiny fraction of their energy consumption is renewable, they will still "lead the world". Better check their use and extraction of fossil fuels before declaring that China is the good guy here.

not so much a good guy as the guy best positioned to cash in on the inevitable giving way to renewable energy by non renewable energy. renewable energy and renewable energy technologies was coming on like gang busters when Donald showed up to rain on their parade and , as a sop to fossil fuel lobbyists and another empty promise to get votes, promote ……. now get this ……. coal :lol: . This, of course, will disappear in the near future as will Donald himself and America will have to scramble to ride the future wave of renewable energy and make up for ground lost by Obese Donald.
#15021457
jimjam wrote:The Dutch meteorological service, KNMI, said the temperature reached 39.1C (102F) at Gilze-Rijen airbase near the southern city of Tilburg on Wednesday afternoon, exceeding the previous high of 38.6C set in August 1944.

In Belgium, the temperature in Kleine-Brogel hit 38.9C, fractionally higher than the previous record of 38.8C set in June 1947. Forecasters said temperatures could climb further on Wednesday and again on Thursday.

After several cities in France broke previous temperature records on Tuesday, including Bordeaux, which hit 41.2C, the national weather service, Météo France, said Paris was likely to beat its all-time high of 40.4C, set in July 1947, with 42C on Thursday.

The highest ever June temperatures were recorded in the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria, Andorra, Luxembourg, Poland and Germany, while France registered an all-time record high of 45.9C in the southern commune of Gallargues-le-Montueux.

Clare Nullis, a World Meteorological Organization spokeswoman, said the heatwaves bore the “hallmark of climate change”. The extreme events were “becoming more frequent, they’re starting earlier and they’re becoming more intense”, she said. “It’s not a problem that’s going to go away.”

Research reveals that the global transition away from fossil fuels is likely inevitable, regardless of whether major nations adopt climate polices that promote renewable energy. The study flies in the face of world leaders like President Trump, who have promised to revive the struggling coal industry at the expense of renewable energy. :?:

"Our analysis suggests that, contrary to investor expectations, the stranding of fossil fuels assets may happen even without new climate policies," said co-author Jorge Viñuales, the chair of Law and Environmental Policy at Cambridge University.

"This suggests a carbon bubble is forming and it is likely to burst." On our current trajectory, the fossil fuel industry will be forced to abandon vast reserves of fossil fuels sometime before 2035. Overall, this would amount to a loss of between $1 trillion and $4 trillion in fossil fuel assets alone - roughly four to six times bigger than the 2008 financial crisis, which triggered the loss of $0.25 trillion.

researchers believe that China is poised to benefit the most if the carbon bubble does indeed pop.

"China is already a world leader in renewable energy technologies, and needs to deploy them domestically to tackle dangerous levels of pollution," said Viñuales.

"Additionally, stranding would take a higher toll on some of its main geopolitical competitors. China has a strong incentive to push for climate policies."

The research suggests that if the US does not start divesting from fossil fuels, China will lead the way in future energy markets.

That research is called picking and choosing.
#15021622
Hindsite wrote:That research is called picking and choosing.

Right my man. It wasn't actually an all time historic high in Paris yesterday of 108.7 …… that was picked and choose .:lol:

And BTW H.S. it was 102 degrees in the sun on my deck in Portland, Maine a few days ago. Granted it was in the sun but in my 33 years of being in Maine I have NEVER seen a 3 digit temperature before. And, yes, it did hit about 10 below zero last January ….. so I guess I picked and choose and your Main Man Obese Donald is right ….. everything is just fine :lol: .

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#15021753
Many prefer to get their information about weather/climate from politicians and the fossil fuel lobbyists who own them rather than from meteorologists and the science community. In due time these folks will be relegated to the dust bin of history and become irrelevant. As the effects of climate change come into greater focus I have found it interesting to see the unexpected ways it will effect out daily lives. It will not be as simple as rising temperatures. Rising temperatures will be the cause of numerous changes from the migrating northward of lobster populations as lobsters flee warming waters to: Lean times for US pig farmers are leading to an unforeseen spike in pork prices. Sweltering under record-setting summer temperatures, pigs that have sweated off the pounds and are now considered underweight.
#15021871
Common sense tells us that the doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere cannot not have an impact on life on this planet. Even without the intermediary of scientific tools, it is easy to see the effects of environmental destruction in many aspects of life, the loss of fertile soil, the loss of biodiversity, the contamination of the food chain, etc., all are potentially just as devastating as climate change.

The argument that the climate has always changed used by the deniers is plain silly and fails to understand the working of natural cycles. Historical changes in temperatures were all regional, ie. while one region would get warmer, another would get colder. Man-made climate change, on the other hand, increases temperatures for 98% of the planet. That has never happened before in recorded history.
#15022216
Earlier this month, in a bizarre news conference, Mr. Trump claimed that one of his priorities has been to ensure that America has the cleanest air and water in the world — ignoring his record of environmental damage. He has effectively handed the Interior Department and the Environmental Protection Agency over to the fossil fuel industry, eliminated vital environmental protections and opened our coasts and public lands to drilling at the exact moment we need to stop burning fossil fuels and urgently transition to clean energy.

So, why would the president give a big speech lying about his record on the environment? Because he is scared.

He knows that climate change is his weak spot. According to a recent Washington Post/ABC News poll, only 29 percent of Americans approve of Mr. Trump’s position on climate change, while 62 percent disapprove — a wider gulf than on any other issue polled. And Mr. Trump’s own internal polling says his terrible record pillaging the environment is a huge obstacle to his re-election.
#15022658
Two hundred reindeer died of starvation last winter on a remote Arctic archipelago, researchers in Norway reported, highlighting what they said were the effects of climate change on vulnerable ecosystems. Ashild Onvik Pedersen, a terrestrial ecologist at the institute, said on Wednesday that climate change had increased the frequency and amount of rain in the high Arctic. Heavy winter rains had then turned to ice, preventing reindeer from reaching their usual vegetation. The Arctic has been warmer over the past five years than at any time since records began being kept in 1900, and the region has been warming at twice the rate as the rest of the planet, a report last year by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in the United States said.

This news ^ is, of course, fake because Obese Donald does not like it.
#15022731
jimjam wrote:Two hundred reindeer died of starvation last winter on a remote Arctic archipelago, researchers in Norway reported, highlighting what they said were the effects of climate change on vulnerable ecosystems.

Hasn't anyone told you that Santa Claus is made up and does not live at the North Pole and doesn't really have reindeer pulling his sleigh to deliver toys to all the children of the world? That was fake news you were seeing on television about spotting him and his reindeer on radar.
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