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By Beren
Sivad wrote:Why is Corbyn bitching out so hard on brexit?

Because the worst (Tory) Brexit is about to happen.
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By Nonsense
An appeal case against Boris Johnson's Brexit bus 'lies', has been thrown out of the Supreme Court, following an appeal against an earlier decision to quash the case in the Appeal Court.
Marcus BALL, the entrepeneur, who sought online funding to pursue the case in order to stop Brexit, had raised £570.000 to fight the appeal case in the Supreme Court.
Lady Justice Rafferty and Mr Justice Supperstone said laws governing the issue did not cover arguments used in political campaigns like the EU referendum.

“There is no precedent for any office holder being prosecuted for misconduct in public office for wilfully making or endorsing a misleading statement in and for the purposes of political campaigning,” their ruling said.

The judges said that allegations that Mr Johnson knew Vote Leave’s £350m-a-week claim was false would not amount to neglect of duties or the abuse of state power.
High Court judges said Mr Ball had deleted large parts of his social media history but a previous crowdfunding website post discussed legal options to “prevent Brexit”, and he had called himself “pro-Remain”.

“We would also have quashed the decision on the basis that the finding that the prosecution was not vexatious was flawed,” they concluded.

The judges had overturned the original decision to prosecute Mr JOHNSON,describing the initial judgement to do so, as having "erred in law".

Clearly, 'remainers' are prepared to go to any lengths, in order to thwart democracy, when it doesn't accord with their minority views.

Perhaps, at some point in time in the future, the respect that is due for democratic decisions will be lived up to by those who depend on it's discourse for their livelihoods-paid for by the taxpayers of this country.
Alarm bells should be ringing in the opposition parties, because, as each day passes, their 'memesis' approaches just a little bit closer,which, should the doom-gloom predictions arise, will be nothing but, 'self-fulfilled' prophesy by their wishful thinking.
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By Nonsense
Beren wrote:Because the worst (Tory) Brexit is about to happen.

The pretext is 'protection of jobs', the real reason is, he has never done the job that he was elected to do-lead & has lost 'control' of his 'leaderless' party.

Desperate men, do desperate things.
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By Nonsense
CORBYN has today, openly urged opposition party leaders into a 'pax', in order to create a replacement 'government' following his assertion of bringing a 'no-confidence' vote in BoJo's government.
If he 'wins'(he won't), he 'plans' to delay Brexit,call a 'snap election' & campaign for another referendum.

He says, the new government would be strictly 'time limited', but the proposition as been described as 'nonsense' by Jo SWINSON, Lib Dem leader.

This is just another continuation of the rudderless Labour Party's desperate attempts at forestalling the inevitable departure from europe & Labour's method's are undemocratic.

For all of BoJo's faults, his government has a continuing mandate to govern(through his party's election to office) by the British people, something that CORBYN's plans would be devoid of, but then Labour has, since 2016, been wholly engaged in a dishonest, undemocratic subversion of democracy, by being fully engaged in the business of thwarting Brexit & getting that event overturned by circumventing democracy anyway.

An honest party leader, would openly challenge the government to an election, but not CORBYN, he prefers subversion,circumvention to honesty in politics, the message for him is that the British people told parliament to get the country out of europe, Labour should have heeded the people before the issues that caused the current situation to happen-they didn't, because once in power, they don't give a **** what the people think or want done.

I am confident that CORBYN will fail, BoJo should demand that CORBYN resign as 'leader' of the opposition should he lose that vote,as he will & he should also resigning as an MP.

Any 'government' must have the 'confidence' of the House, that means a 'working majority', there is no way on earth in the current situation, that CORBYN could ever command 'confidence' & his actions are absolutely destroying the hopes of those electors who are hoping for a 'Labour' government at the next election.

Even BoJo's single majority, though lacking in confidence,is at least, a legitimate government.

Furthermore, parliament cannot alter the Treaty of the EU unilaterally through parliament, only government can ammend Treaties & that requires a unanimous agreement between the EU & UK government-not parliament.
By Rich
Party leaders should be selected by MPs not party members. David Lammy is a lying idiot. The fact that Labour have ended up with a leader they virtually no Labour MPs want is Labour's problem, not anyone else. No Tory or Liberal Democrat is going to support Corbyn in number 10 as a caretaker leader. Of course the SNP will back Corbyn because they hate Britain.

A rabid Islamophile and Communist like Corbyn shouldn't be given the keys to power in Britain even temporarily. I'm a strong Remainer, but Brexit, with or without a deal is a small price to pay for keeping Corbyn out. Most Tory MPs are not completely stupid, there was sound reasons that so many leading Conservatives got temporary Labour membership so as they could vote for Corbyn.
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By skinster
Rich wrote:Party leaders should be selected by MPs not party members.

Nope. Members who vote for them should be able to select them (and deselect them if need be). [rule 2 violation deleted - Prosthetic Conscience] :lol:
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By Nonsense
skinster wrote:Nope. Members who vote for them should be able to select them (and deselect them if need be). :lol:

I agree with your comment, Rich gives the impression that 'democracy' is just for the self-appointed 'elite', I'm not sure that he meant it that way though,but the sentiment expressed in his post was probably well meant. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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By Nonsense
skinster wrote:

Three 'bucket-mouths' with not an ounce of grey matter between them, typical lefties, empty vessels making one heck of a noise.
By Rich
No one's refusing to work with Jeremy Corbyn, we're just not supporting him to be Prime Minister. I have no objection to him becoming Minister for Sport in a care taker government, or Minister for manhole covers if that's more up his ally.
By skinster
Well he's leader of the Labour Party now and has a good chance of winning the next election, so keep crying. :D
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By Kaiserschmarrn
Sivad wrote:Why is Corbyn bitching out so hard on brexit?

The Labour party machine has declawed him?

More seriously, he wants to become PM and Labour is between a rock and a hard place on Brexit.

One of the ironies of Corbyn's leadership, and one factor that pulls Labour towards Remain, is that the Labour party membership is more middle class than it has ever been.
Huff Post wrote:Demographics

Labour's new members aren't on average much younger than those who were in the party before the general election. The average age of full members has actually nudged up from just under 51 to just over 51. They are similarly well-educated: around six out of ten of Labour's post-GE2015 members have degrees, which was the same for pre-GE2015 members.

They are, though, even more middle class, with 78% of them (compared to 70%) of them being ABC1s.
By foxdemon
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:The Labour party machine has declawed him?

More seriously, he wants to become PM and Labour is between a rock and a hard place on Brexit.

One of the ironies of Corbyn's leadership, and one factor that pulls Labour towards Remain, is that the Labour party membership is more middle class than it has ever been.

They could rename Labour to the Chardonnay Socialist Party, CSP. Or even better, the Chardonnay Radical Intersectional Socialist Party, CRISP. So a middle class member of the party would be a Chardonnay Radical Intersectional Socialist Party Yuppie, or CRISPY for short.

Corbyn looks like a crispy character, come to think of it.
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By Kaiserschmarrn
Also worth pondering is Labour's vote share by social class compared to 20 years ago:

By snapdragon
The simple fact is there are not enough Tory MPs who will vote to put Corbyn in office.

The important thing is to get a government of national unity (GNU) to prevent crashing out and give us another referendum, so give them someone they can vote for.

Corbyn ought to accept this, or his plan is dead in the water. I hope he can.
By Atlantis
Operation Yellowhammer, a confidential report prepared by the British government for the event of a no-deal Brexit:

Operation Chaos: Whitehall’s secret no‑deal Brexit preparations leaked

Britain faces shortages of fuel, food and medicine, a three-month meltdown at its ports, a hard border with Ireland and rising costs in social care in the event of a no-deal Brexit, according to an unprecedented leak of government documents that lay bare the gaps in contingency planning.

The documents, which set out the most likely aftershocks of a no-deal Brexit rather than worst-case scenarios, have emerged as the UK looks increasingly likely to crash out of the EU without a deal.

Compiled this month by the Cabinet Office under the codename Operation Yellowhammer, the dossier offers a rare glimpse into the covert planning being carried out by the government to avert a catastrophic collapse in the nation’s infrastructure.

The file, marked “official-sensitive” — requiring security clearance on a “need to know” basis — is remarkable because it gives the most comprehensive assessment of the UK’s readiness for a no-deal Brexit.

It states that the public and businesses remain largely unprepared for no deal and that growing “EU exit fatigue” has hampered contingency planning which has stalled since the UK’s original departure date in March.

A senior Whitehall source said: “This is not Project Fear — this is the most realistic assessment of what the public face with no deal. These are likely, basic, reasonable scenarios — not the worst case.”

The revelations include:

● The government expects the return of a hard border in Ireland as current plans to avoid widespread checks will prove “unsustainable”; this may spark protests, road blockages and “direct action”

● Logjams caused by months of border delays could “affect fuel distribution”, potentially disrupting the fuel supply in London and the southeast of England

● Up to 85% of lorries using the main Channel crossings “may not be ready” for French customs and could face delays of up to 2 1/2 days

● Significant disruption at ports will last up to three months before the flow of traffic “improves” to 50-70% of the current rate

● Petrol import tariffs, which the government has set at 0%, will “inadvertently” lead to the closure of two oil refineries, 2,000 job losses, widespread strike action and disruptions to fuel availability

● Passenger delays at EU airports, St Pancras, Eurotunnel and Dover

● Medical supplies will “be vulnerable to severe extended delays” as three-quarters of the UK’s medicines enter the country via the main Channel crossings

● The availability of fresh food will be reduced and prices will rise. This could hit “vulnerable groups”

● Potential clashes between UK and European Economic Area fishing vessels amid predictions that 282 ships will sail in British waters illegally on Brexit day

● Protests across the UK, which may “require significant amounts of police resource[s]”

● Rising costs will hit social care, with “smaller providers impacted within 2-3 months and larger providers 4-6 months after exit”

● Gibraltar will face delays of more than four hours at the border with Spain “for at least a few months”, which are likely to “adversely impact” its economy

The revelations come as Boris Johnson signals that he would set a date for a general election after the UK has left the EU if Jeremy Corbyn succeeds in a vote of no confidence — preventing rebels from being able to stop a no-deal Brexit.

Johnson is preparing to hold talks with France’s president, Emmanuel Macron, and Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, ahead of this week’s G7 summit in Biarritz. But No 10 was last night playing down any prospect of a Brexit breakthrough and Germany believes no deal is “highly likely”.

The leak of the Yellowhammer dossier underlines the frustration within Whitehall over the lack of transparency surrounding preparations for leaving the EU. “Successive UK governments have a long history of failing to prepare their citizens to be resilient for their own emergencies,” said a Cabinet Office source.

The absence of a clear picture of the UK’s future relationship with the EU has hindered preparations as it “does not provide a concrete situation for third parties to prepare for”, the document states. Some of the bleakest predictions relate to goods crossing the French border. The file says that on the first day of no deal between “50% and 85% of HGVs travelling via the short channel straits [the main crossings between France and England] may not be ready for French customs, reducing the flow of freight lorries to between 40- 60%” of current levels”.

Unready lorries will “fill the ports and block flow” and the worst disruption to the main crossings could last for “up to three months before it improves by a significant level, to around 50-70%” of current levels.

Congestion may also occur at ports outside Kent and be exacerbated by the departure date, which coincides with the end of the October half-term holiday. Passengers at St Pancras, the Eurotunnel crossing and Dover may face delays as UK citizens travelling to the EU will face increased checks.

Despite Johnson repeatedly saying during the Tory leadership campaign that there will be “clean drinking water” in the event of no deal, the document raises the possibility that a failure in the chemical supply chain could “affect up to 100,000s of people”.

We hear of economic sanctions imposed on others almost on a daily basis now. But this must be the first time in history that a country imposes sanctions on itself.
By snapdragon
That's why Corbyn's aspirations are so much pie in the sky, unless we can prevent crashing out- and preferably stay in.

Thanks for posting that. I read the first bit this morning, but I hit the pay wall.

There's also a link to the actual documents. Any chance of you posting it?
By SolarCross
Apparently we might have already had no deal brexit back in march. There is a court case against the government claiming that the extensions were unlawful. Boris Johnson apparently can just pull the government's defence against that claim. If he did that then the extensions would be found unlawful instantly meaning we have been in a post brexit world since march we just did not know it.

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