- 18 Aug 2019 16:45
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[quote="Rich"]We Europhiles have been betrayed by the establishment, numerous times. In 2015 the Liberal Democrats and Labour stood on a manifesto opposed to a Brexit a referendum, but then straight after the election, they betrayed us, by promising to honour the referendum result. While the Brexiteer fascists openly declared that they would not respect the result if they lost. This is the very definition of fascists, they show contempt for the result when they lose but demand that everyone must respect it when they win. Anyone who says that the Brexiteers would have respected a 48.1 , 51.9 loss is a liar. The Scottish Independence result was 2.8 times as decisive, but it was only Brexit that has stopped the SNP from already demanding a rerun.
Nonsense- Unbelievable nonsense , it's not 'europhiles'(Remainers) who have been betrayed, it's the people that voted Leave, that were betrayed by Theresa MAY & the rest of the 'remainer's' in parliament.
Even after parliament itself voted in legislation to effect the referendum result, they the proceeded to block the country from leaving, only the Lib Dems, along with other minor parties had policies opposing Brexit.
The Brexiteer 'fascist' whom you refer to, are a figment of your imagination, you state that Brexiteers declared that they would not respect the result if they lost, there is a world of difference between saying such things, which they would mean, as campaigning for another referendum at some other time & what has been happening in parliament.
The politicians have been fighting the result, having been dragged by remorseless logic, to deliver the result of the referendum, despite their respective party manifesto policy's, to honour the result of the referendum, by implementing the result.
The reality is, that the people voted Leave & constantly whinging for your rattle, will not change anything-get real.
[/b][/b]I am only one person and unlike many anarchists and right libertarians, I feel its contemptible to demand that the world conform to my ideas of right and wrong. I might disagree with Communists and Nazis, but at least they understand that you need a movement to inflict your beliefs on the world. I didn't bother with Brexit for quite a while after the result because there wasn't even a hint of a movement with the balls to stand up to the Brexiteers. Such a movement must be based on one overriding principle:
Nonsense-
You have no 'ideas' of 'right or wrong', you talk about it being contemptible to demand that the world conform to your idea's of 'right or wrong', yet you dictate exactly that when fallaciously attacking our democracy that produced a result with which you disagree with.
We will not support any deal that does not deliver 100% percent on the promises of the leave campaign. Not 98% , not 99%, 100%, that includes 350 million for the NHS, frictionless trade, ability to strike wonderful free trade deals, protection of farmers, fishermen and women etc, etc. The Brexiteers think we Remainers are cowardly idiots. They think we Remainers are so stupid that they can get us to deliver an awful leaving deal for them and then blame all the mess on us. they may well be right.
Nonsense- They were not 'promises', it was political rhetoric, in fact , BoJo won his Supreme Court case brought against him by some naive fool, bent on gaining publicity for himself with other people's money.
If we are to resist the Brexiteer liars, we need to prepare for no deal. in the face off between Brussels and London we must do everything in our power to undermine Britain's negotiating position and strengthen Brussels. Maybe a no deal Brexit will be fine for Britain, in which case the Brexiteers will have been proved right and it will all be over, but if does lead to chaos, then we need to do everything in our power to maximise the chaos, and everything in our power to undermine the unity of the united Kingdom, encouraging the London Assembly and Mayor, the SNP and Sinn Fein to take local administrative control and enter into separate negotiations with the EU.
Nonsense- Again, you illuminate your utter contempt for democracy by the rubbish you have posted above.
Some people engage their 'brain' before speaking, maybe you ought to try it.?
You , along with the E.U, should remember that Theresa MAY said that, "nothing's agreed, until everything is agreed", although TM-E.U, 'agreed' a W.A, along with the E.U parliament, the British parliament didn't, therefore, nothing was actually 'agreed', which is why BoJo is right to call for a new(different)deal.
The 'Backstop' was injected by the E.U(agreed by T.M) as a way, or, means in which to keep the U.K tied to the E.U as a vassal state, as such, it was correctly rejected, had it been rigidly agreed to be time-limited, it may have got through parliament.
Parliament itself has rejected both a 'deal' & a 'no-deal'.
Only parliament can change what it has decided already, it can suck eggs, because it has to acknowledge that what it foolishly did, was to entrap itself up a cul-de-sac of it's own making,by doing a 'volte-face', by placing an ammendment to reverse it's decision on one or more of it's own motions used to frustrate Bexit.
I personally no longer care who runs this country,neither do I care whether it crashes into a stone age existence, it deserves it's fate through the politicians that it elects, who are the most ignorant generation that I have encountered in my lifetime as an observer of the political scene.
If BoJo does take us out on 31 October, there will be many that would vote to re-elect the Tories in an election, I am not one of them, but I would acknowledge their reason for doing so, as being respect for democracy only, just not the other things for which we find reason to vote one way or another.
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