colliric wrote:China is not too unclean though. Central Beijing is nice and clean, your cities CBDs aren't too bad. Very little cars in the central spots. Except for the air of cause (terrible air quality, and weirds smells everywhere in Shanghai especially). Lucky there were Potty toilets in all the places I saw. Lucky.
First tier cities like Shanghai are relatively clean, but the further you go out, there is a corresponding increase in lack of cleanliness. Shanghai has a lot of sewers running through the gutters, so most streets in the massive downtown districts often smell strongly of feces because of it. I usually tell people Shanghai is a mixture of a New York feel and Tijuana smell.
AFAIK wrote:I was in China 12 years ago and encountered plenty of pushing, people driving straight through you, etc. The toilets on the overnight trains were an experience. People would miss the squat toilet and just leave their waste there. No consideration for others. Apparently their tourists are so bad they are provided their own facilities in some places.
Mainland Chinese tourists abroad indeed have a well known and well deserved notoriety. PR China even has a bureau for tourism to try and educate people going abroad on basic manners so they don’t embarrass their country. In the last 30-40 years as China has reformed and developed its economy, there are now tens of millions of middle class and wealthy Chinese, most of whom were raised by parents who lacked any sort of adequate education. China is concerned about its image when their citizens, for example, shove people back into the subway in Japan.
In China itself, I should add that I’ve seen mothers and grandmothers letting their kids, some of whom seemed about 8-9, to completely drop their pants and piss and shit on the sidewalk in front of people. I’ve seen it happen on the subway, in front of a cafe with people sitting outside enjoying coffee, at a bus stop, and in line for the Peter Pan ride at Shanghai Disneyland.